Perhaps they could put their activating on hold?

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Worse than the fact that they are asking is the fact that the school will likely comply.

Like you, I worked during college. During the last 2 years, I worked and did ROTC. I worked 30+ hours/week all through law school. Of course, I had to walk to law school, 10 miles each way, uphill both ways through hail and blinding snowstorms ...

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The sense of entitlement with these little shits is unbelievable.

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Last week, I presented at a state-wise conference on legal issues. My topic was generations at work - talking about how baby boomer and Gen X managers have to deal with millenials. I have given this presentation a couple times. Some people think I am exaggerating when I talk about millenials. No. No, I am not.

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What else should we expect from a generation raised with participation trophies and the sense that competition is bad because there is a loser.


http://reason.com/...t-below-average-grad

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Suffer Well.

Weird shit like that is kind of Oberlin's thing. If you read the wikipedia page on Oberlin you will find all sorts of things to shake your head at.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Entitlement, maybe. Perfectly willing to see what they can get away with, because what the fuck, the University might just bow to the pressure? For sure.

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That is hysterical...and sad. Maybe they can apply to an Emory graduate program I hear they have plenty of safe space over there. What a clown car parade.

Thanks.

I'll add Oberlin to the list of schools not to hire graduates from...

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I think you need a space, not a hyphen, in your post. But regardless, I'm fascinated by what you say. Do you have any bullet points you can share that would elaborate on millennial behavior?

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If the university caves in, it will be interesting to see what happens to its job placement percentage over the next few years.

Perfect! Our grades just dropped for last semester and I'm unhappy with one. I wonder if I could get this started down here, too.

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in fairness, so is the "back when i was your age"-itude. worked 50 hours per week while studying full time? sure, why not throw in an uphill walk in the snow while you're at it?

-mike

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First, you'll note that I didn't say anything about "back in my day" (although I did walk to school in Minnesota winters from K-6, so I got that going for me). Secondly, while I normally appreciate your posts, if you think that what these students are requesting is even remotely worthy of consideration, I'll have to reconsider my view.

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Not sure how well this will copy over -


Today's generation of young people are clearly "less career ambitious" than its elders.
Citing data from MonitoringTheFuture.org, the report shows that today's high schoolers expect their lives to revolve less around work and more around vacation time than Gen-Xers — the generation born between the early 1960's and 1980's.
Millennials also spend more of their leisure time on online activities like video games, social networking and watching TV online than their parents and grandparents, despite having similar internet access.
Some other findings from the report: young people today make less money relative to the rest of the population than ever before, are more conscious of the value of the products they buy and are more likely to be living with their parents.

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2013 Study by Millennial Branding, Boston, MA
According to the study, both managers and Gen Y’s are on the same page when it comes to workplace success.
However, while Gen Y workers have a positive view of their managers, believing that their managers can offer experience (59%), wisdom (41%), and a willingness to mentor (33%), managers have an overall negative view of their Gen Y employees.
They feel said employees have unrealistic compensation expectations (51%), a poor work ethic (47%), and are easily distracted (46%).

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1. The skills managers look for when promoting Gen Y. Managers and Gen Y’s both agree that soft skills are the most important, followed by hard skills and then digital/tech savvy skills (social media). 61% of managers and 65% of Gen Y’s believe that soft skills are the most important. Both managers and Gen Y’s agree that being a subject matter expert is important to career advancement. 65% of managers and 66% of Gen Y’s say it’s either important or very important. The top three most important skills that managers are looking for when promoting millennials is the ability to prioritize work (87%), a positive attitude (86%) and teamwork skills (86%).
2. Managers are supportive of Gen Y’s entrepreneurial ambitions. Managers are willing to support entrepreneurial Gen Y’s who want to chase business opportunities but fewer Gen Y’s are interested in that pursuit. 58% of managers are either very willing or extremely willing in supporting Gen Y’s while only 40% of Gen Y’s are either very interested or extremely interested in taking on new business opportunities.
3. Managers are willing to support Gen Y’s who want to move around. 73% of managers are very willing or extremely willing to support Gen Y’s who want to move within the corporation but fewer than half of Gen Y’s surveyed (48%) are either very interested or extremely interested in making the move.
4. Social media’s role in and out of the workplace. Gen Y employees feel that they should own the rights to their own social media profiles even if they use them during work hours. Fewer managers agree that their Gen Y’s should. Out of the managers, 54% said that Gen Y’s should have the rights to the profiles, yet 69% of Gen Y’s said they should have them. Only 16% of managers and 17% of Gen Y’s view using social media profiles to actively contribute to online industry conversations as either very important or extremely important.
5. The manager and Gen Y relationship on social media. When it comes to Facebook, only 14% of managers are either very comfortable or extremely comfortable being friends with Gen Y’s, while 24% of Gen Y’s said the same. When it comes to connecting on LinkedIn, 32% of Gen Y’s and 24% of their managers are either very comfortable or extremely comfortable. Gen Y’s (38%) are more comfortable making social media introductions than managers (19%).
6. Gen Y’s don’t get enough feedback at work and want mentors. Both managers (48%) and Gen Y’s (46%) give and receive annual performance reviews. 20% of managers and 19% of Gen Y’s don’t give or receive any type of formal review. 53% of Gen Y’s said that a mentoring relationship would help them become a better and more productive contributor to their company.
7. In-person meetings and email trump technology at work. Despite new technologies like Skype and social networks, traditional forms of communication are still the most common ways that both managers and Gen Y’s interact. 66% of managers say that in-person meetings are their preferred way of communicating with Gen Y’s and 62% of employees feel the same way about how they communicate with their managers. The second most popular way of communicating between managers and Gen Y’s was email. 26% of managers and 25% of Gen Y’s prefer using email.
8. It takes time to become a manager so Gen Y’s have to be patient. More managers say that it takes at least four years or more to become a manager than Gen Y’s. 75% of managers say four years or more and 66% of Gen Y’s say the same. 32% of managers say it takes eight years or more and 27% of Gen Y’s say eight years or more.
9. Advanced degrees aren’t required for advancement. 43% of managers say that an advanced degree can be an advantage but not required, while a mere 10% say it’s required, which is probably true for certain industries and/or professions. As for Gen Y’s, 60% say an advanced degree is either strongly recommended or recommended but not required. 22% of Gen Y’s think that it’s required.

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Also see: https://psmag.com/...7a94f3ed3#.3wkcaagmb

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At least they wouldn't inflate their hours and cause you to lose money.

For sure, that's one way of looking at it, and I'm not disagreeing at all. The other factor at work, though, is what I'll broadly refer to as a more "consumer-centric" business model that's sweeping Higher Ed in general... I realize Oberlin is pvt, but it's still floating on the same tide of continued disinvestment in public universities, so there's increasing resistance to the old (dare we say 'Liberal'?) autocratic method and instead embracing the basic Capitalist ethos that the customer is always right (or at least that catering to them enough to keep them happy is good for business). Right? The students are ultimately the consumers of the schools product/service, so are they not entitled to whine about it just like too much or too little foam on their latte?

 


Not well. But what I can understand looks like a bunch of social pseudo-science.

The "millenial" meme is pretty tired, and mostly older people self-aggrandizing.

Until you have to deal with them ...

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I do. I manage a team of software engineers. The younger guys are just better. I'd agree they may be more narcissistic and less submissive to authority. But the kicker is that they follow through. They produce. And they're more than willing to work long hours, which is mostly a function of age. (E.g. guys from college to maybe the mid-30's are willing to do start-up hours. Guys older than that tend to be "over it.")

Maybe somewhat harder to manage. But the productivity can be unreal, so it's worth it.

I think the statistics show that people in their 20's now are working longer hours than that age group at any time in history.

Of course they would; that's the entire point of this thread. They'd not work a full day but would expect to be paid for one.

Duffy, I'm with you. Oberlin's off my list.

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My experience is vastly different. Plus, I speak with HR managers from various companies across the US on a daily basis who are experiencing the same issues identified in the report I posted.

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Interesting that you are a lawyer and trail is talking about software engineers. In the few articles I've read, it appears that there are tradeoffs, and the positives that millennials bring are often technology related. I'm wondering if maybe they make better software engineers but are worse at other kinds of jobs.

Just a guess.

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They were raised on tech and interact with machines FAR better than with other people. So, yeah.

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I went to a large public university in the '80s. I disagree that students are the target consumers. We lost some good "teaching" profs because they did not bring in enough research money.

Thanks. That certainly was a wise meeting. Someone would have to get lost off the trail to think otherwise.

I know some very good millennials, but I'd think you would see a more representative cross section.

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