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Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [Hanginon]
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Aero socks?
Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [Hanginon]
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Looks better than the vast majority of positions of males half your age.
Genetics load the gun, lifestyle pulls the trigger.
Genetics load the gun, lifestyle pulls the trigger.
Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [Hanginon]
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Hanginon wrote:
I've been asked in PM's for a picture of me on my Scott. Guess what - you can't post pictures in PM's, so here is a quick picture taken by my wife. This is right after coming back from a training ride, so it's not it's not my full kit.
What is the longest you have gone in that position? Looks fantastic!!
Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [Hanginon]
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Great position!
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Thank you everyone. On race day I wear a skinsuit and calf high socks in lace shoes, with Velotoz covers. The bike gets a disc rear, all the bottles and carriers come off, and a solid 56T chainring for a better chainline to the middle cassette gears. Tires will be what is currently fastest, with latex tubes, 23mm front, 25mm rear.
Races are usually a pure out-back Time Trial, 10 miles or less. I find the whole "go as fast as you can" on a bicycle to be absolutely fascinating!
Races are usually a pure out-back Time Trial, 10 miles or less. I find the whole "go as fast as you can" on a bicycle to be absolutely fascinating!
Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [Hanginon]
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Congratulations, look’s great!
A practical advantage of clinchers with tubes over both tubeless and tubular is, that one can easily change to tires specific for the upcoming race.
Scott Plasma 3 is still an underrated but fast frame. We have 2 of them in the TT version. In aero tests on size S frames, but otherwise quit similar setups, somehow more stretched out positions came out faster.
A practical advantage of clinchers with tubes over both tubeless and tubular is, that one can easily change to tires specific for the upcoming race.
Scott Plasma 3 is still an underrated but fast frame. We have 2 of them in the TT version. In aero tests on size S frames, but otherwise quit similar setups, somehow more stretched out positions came out faster.
Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [Hanginon]
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How long are your cranks, how tall are you?
Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [monty]
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monty wrote:
How long are your cranks, how tall are you?Cranks are currently 165mm, and I'm 5' 11" tall. The frame is a medium. Also, it's hard to tell from the picture, but the pedals are old Time Impact = low stack height.
Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [Hanginon]
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Thanks for the info, it kind of looks like your seat is too low( I know I know), so if you switched to 155 cranks you could also raise your saddle a bit. Also open up the hip angle a bit more..
Of course this is just all eyeball stuff, if you got on a proper fit bike you could do all that stuff in seconds and try it in several trials..Might get you more aero too...
Of course this is just all eyeball stuff, if you got on a proper fit bike you could do all that stuff in seconds and try it in several trials..Might get you more aero too...
Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [Hanginon]
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Damned impressive. I'm in my early 40s and I'm losing flexibility already.
"FTP is a bit 2015, don't you think?" - Gustav Iden
"FTP is a bit 2015, don't you think?" - Gustav Iden
Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [Hanginon]
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I loved that bike. It rode so smooth compared to others of that era. Some of those frame scratches look exactly like the one I sold.
When I did the aero bike shootout I talked with the guys at Cervelo. They told me that that plasma was the inspiration for the P5-3/6. They said their thought process was what happens if you take that frame and stretch it to the bounds of what is UCI legal. they also said the P5x could have been about 5w faster with rim vs disc brakes but that's a different story for a different day.
I'd be willing to bet that the P5-6 and Scott Plasma 3 are probably still in the top fastest 15 bikes you can own with a bit of modification such as running the cables through the Plasma frame .
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When I did the aero bike shootout I talked with the guys at Cervelo. They told me that that plasma was the inspiration for the P5-3/6. They said their thought process was what happens if you take that frame and stretch it to the bounds of what is UCI legal. they also said the P5x could have been about 5w faster with rim vs disc brakes but that's a different story for a different day.
I'd be willing to bet that the P5-6 and Scott Plasma 3 are probably still in the top fastest 15 bikes you can own with a bit of modification such as running the cables through the Plasma frame .
Brian Stover USAT LII
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Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [kajet]
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Damned impressive. I'm in my early 40s and I'm losing flexibility already.Trent Nix
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Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [desert dude]
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I loved that bike. It rode so smooth compared to others of that era. Some of those frame scratches look exactly like the one I sold. When I did the aero bike shootout I talked with the guys at Cervelo. They told me that that plasma was the inspiration for the P5-3/6. They said their thought process was what happens if you take that frame and stretch it to the bounds of what is UCI legal. they also said the P5x could have been about 5w faster with rim vs disc brakes but that's a different story for a different day.
I'd be willing to bet that the P5-6 and Scott Plasma 3 are probably still in the top fastest 15 bikes you can own with a bit of modification such as running the cables through the Plasma frame .
Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [Hanginon]
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I've been seeing good results with the few trispoke tests i've done lately.
One suggestion I may add is to gain a little reach. Typically adding reach is faster. So far it's worked about 13/15 times that I can remember testing it on people this year
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One suggestion I may add is to gain a little reach. Typically adding reach is faster. So far it's worked about 13/15 times that I can remember testing it on people this year
Brian Stover USAT LII
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Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [desert dude]
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desert dude wrote:
I've been seeing good results with the few trispoke tests i've done lately. One suggestion I may add is to gain a little reach. Typically adding reach is faster. So far it's worked about 13/15 times that I can remember testing it on people this year
Thank You - I will try +12mm's - the extensions are are old Profile Sonic Stryke's, and that's what the hole spacing is.
Actually, I have a theory that agrees with your observations. I don't do TT's with bottles - maybe I should!! My theory is based on the displacement hull speed limitations relative to the water line hull length for boats. Essentially, the longer you can make this seamless shape, the better -
Therefore, someone like Ganna - who is 6' 4" tall with a long torso - has a real advantage on a flat surface when doing something, like say, the Hour Record.
Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [trentnix]
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trentnix wrote:
kajet wrote:
Damned impressive. I'm in my early 40s and I'm losing flexibility already.OK, OK… Call it mobility.
"FTP is a bit 2015, don't you think?" - Gustav Iden
Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [kajet]
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Bike fit
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Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [desert dude]
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I've been seeing good results with the few trispoke tests i've done lately. One suggestion I may add is to gain a little reach. Typically adding reach is faster. So far it's worked about 13/15 times that I can remember testing it on people this year
The OG "narrow is aero" trispoke, or one of the newer ones?
Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [geetee]
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The OG "narrow is aero" trispoke, or one of the newer ones?
The newer ones, a Revolver clone out of Australia called Emtion or Emotion don't remember. Ran 3 to 5 people on it while over there testing and it was fastest for all but one person
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Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [desert dude]
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Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [Hanginon]
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You should do the same with hip though - you are much further behind the BB as well. It's something I am looking at with new extensions coming - getting everything forward. Outstanding position btw, it's optimizing it more than anything - 97% of triathletes don't look as good as you do.
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DFRU - Detta Family Racing Unit...the kids like it and we all get out and after it...gotta keep the fam involved!
Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [dfru]
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You should do the same with hip though - you are much further behind the BB as well.
Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [Hanginon]
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Most of the great Time Trialist's sit like me, albeit they have to due to UCI regs.//
Well there is your question and answer all in one. Where do you think they would sit if they could?? What do those with the morphological exemptions move, forward or back??
Well there is your question and answer all in one. Where do you think they would sit if they could?? What do those with the morphological exemptions move, forward or back??
Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [Hanginon]
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I see a very well-considered setup.
Do I see intentionally housingless cable to front brake?
And no cable tip / end cap?
May I ask how you keep it from 'fraying'?
Is there a specific reason you have not cut the cable it all the way down to the brake cable clamp?
Is the low gear count for reasons of drag? (smaller physical size of cassette)
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Do I see intentionally housingless cable to front brake?
And no cable tip / end cap?
May I ask how you keep it from 'fraying'?
Is there a specific reason you have not cut the cable it all the way down to the brake cable clamp?
Is the low gear count for reasons of drag? (smaller physical size of cassette)
Dr. Alex Harrison | Founder & CEO | Sport Physiology & Performance PhD
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📱 Check out our app → Saturday: Pro Fuel & Hydration, a performance nutrition coach in your pocket.
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Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [Hanginon]
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I would look into a TriRig front brake. That should work well on your setup. I have been using two different prior iterations for a number of years. One often overlooked advantage is the super easy adjustment of the brake track width. When I swapped in my disc wheel (older, narrower Zipp clincher from the '00s compared to the Hed Jet+ 9) it took about 15 seconds to adjust with a 2mm allen wrench.
https://tririg.com/...omega-one-aero-brake
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Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [DrAlexHarrison]
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Another view of the bike fully configured for racing -
In the picture with me on the bike it has a 52T chainring, 12-25 cassette, 165mm cranks. This picture is 56T chainring, 12-23 cassette, 170mm cranks. I am not Superman - these setups are chosen merely to provide a straight chainline for different courses, and 1X 10 speed mechanical is very cost effective.
The "pigtail" on the (yes, deliberately bare) front brake cable, is for grabbing with pliers when adjusting for different rim widths. @Stelvio, I would much prefer a TriRig front brake, but I've been blessed with four children and five grandchildren, so it was a frugal build!
In the picture with me on the bike it has a 52T chainring, 12-25 cassette, 165mm cranks. This picture is 56T chainring, 12-23 cassette, 170mm cranks. I am not Superman - these setups are chosen merely to provide a straight chainline for different courses, and 1X 10 speed mechanical is very cost effective.
The "pigtail" on the (yes, deliberately bare) front brake cable, is for grabbing with pliers when adjusting for different rim widths. @Stelvio, I would much prefer a TriRig front brake, but I've been blessed with four children and five grandchildren, so it was a frugal build!
Re: 77 year old Time Trialer's Position [Hanginon]
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Ahh. I only have two children and no grandchildren; hence the TriRig brake!
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I'm 66 and working on making minor concessions to my position to be as comfortable as possible without too many aero sacrifices. At 77 do you feel that you are making any sacrifices with your position, or are you just aiming for the fastest position you can put together?
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I'm 66 and working on making minor concessions to my position to be as comfortable as possible without too many aero sacrifices. At 77 do you feel that you are making any sacrifices with your position, or are you just aiming for the fastest position you can put together?