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updates: The Race Weight Project Page
Burgers: day 1, day 2, day 3, day 4 , day 5, day 6, day 7, day 8, day 9, day 10 (surprisingly easy to stay satisfied and lose weight gradually, workouts felt normal)
Ice cream: all the ice cream posts (weight shed FAST on ice cream, training was mostly ok but was more variable than burgers)
Pizza: all the pizza posts (I was suprised that many of my workouts sucked badly. I thought they would be good since pizza has a good combo of carbs, protein and fat)
Beer: all the beer posts (this was the most terrible idea in the world. I'm not a huge beer fan, and after about 2 I feel full and don't want any more. Which doesn't bode well if you're trying to get most of your calories from beer). Weight was also ALL OVER THE PLACE. Literally, swings of multiple kg in 24 hours. I wait for stable weight readings before moving onto each next phase which is why it took so long to get off the beer.
Cake and donuts: all cake posts. More cake than donuts since I'm not a big donut fan.

UPDATE: As of April 1oth it is done! after 21 days of cake I finally lost the final kg. But I saw some very surprising performance improvements during the 21 days of very slow loss. So I decided to enter IMTX at the last minute as a big training day. That gave me 2 weeks of normal eating where I focus on calorie surplus in order to fuel the workouts adequately. As an aside, I really enjoyed parts of this diet and also did not enjoy other aspects. I'm going to tweak it a bit and make this my off season diet for sure. That way I get to eat all the holiday foods and still lose weight! I also felt that it reset my relationship with food, making me a bit less paranoid about what I eat. For health purposes, I prefer to eat a lot of veggies and lean meats, but doing this has also made me feel a lot more ok with occasional eating of ice cream, burgers and cake, without the usual feelings of guilt and "unprofessionalism"







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Ok, so I'm kind of fed up with the BS that people believe especially as it relates to daily diet and nutrition. Perhaps it's the time of year, but I've recently had quite a few people reach out to me for advice on early season weight loss. The thing they've all had in common is that they have a misguided sense of priority and ignore the most fundamental of principles... they focus on this diet or that diet, low carb, high fat, high protein, paleo, ancestral, whole 30, zone, atkins, nutrisystem blah blah blah blah-dee-blah....
While ignoring the simplest of facts: just eat less!!! Even if you follow a strict macro-nutrient or food type of diet, if you eat too much you won't lose the weight. I have made this mistake countless times, so it's not that I know better or anything like that...

To prove my point, tell me what your favorite "bad" food is, and I will eat it to get to race weight. I'm racing IM Boulder in June, and have some weight to lose before then. I currently weigh 78kg, and should race around 73kg (or a bit less if possible). I'll get there by eating whatever I want, just less of it.

Here are the rules:
- Let's get a list of "bad" foods going. You tell me your favorite bad food, and I'll choose one at a time. The more delicious options will get preference!
- I'll eat the majority of my daily calories from that food type (1500-2000 calories per day).
- In addition to those calories, I can eat whatever I like on top of that.
- I'll update this thread with details of what I'm eating.
- When I lose 1kg / 2 lbs, I'll move on to the next "bad food" on the list.
- I'll still be training hard over this time, including Tour of Sufferlandria coming up. And of course prepping for IM Boulder.
- While we're at it, let's debunk some other BS, like not eating carbs at night.
- Maybe it will backfire completely! In which case I will of course admit that I'm wrong.
- Overall, I will be happy if the end result is that people relax and enjoy what they eat a bit more!

Ok, let's get the ball rolling, what's your best unhealthy food?

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updated with provisional schedule:
  • 78-77kg: burgers
  • 77-76kg: milkshakes / ice cream
  • 76-75kg: pizza
  • 75-74kg: beer
  • 74-73kg: pancakes, donuts and cake

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I had to chuckle when I read this, because I am currently in the middle of a bit of weight loss myself.

I'm at your current weight (down 5 kgs since August) and my goal weight is the same as your goal weight, and I am also not restricting foods just trying to eat less and being pretty successful just cutting calories.

If I couldn't eat a bit of junk food after a big training day once in a while, I think I'd give up endurance sports all together.
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Burgers, hands down!

My go to is a double meat, double cheese, bacon, ketchup, mustard, pickles on a brioche bun. With a serve of hand cut chips of course!

I eat one at least once/twice a week and have no problem with weight. I think it's important regarding diet to not live by absolutes, life's short. Enjoy yourself!
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I love burgers as well. The nice thing is that, done right, they're really not all that bad for you.

I'm on my way to a nice pulled pork BBQ dinner. Pork, bun, slaw, fries, maybe corn bread or Mac n cheese....

And at least three beers. Perhaps a bourbon.

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don't nibble on junk vice food... go right to the source and chug the liquid gold. Coke or Pepsi
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Re: What's your favorite "vice" food? I'll eat it for race weight! [BCtriguy1] [ In reply to ]
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Mmm yes please!!

I forgot about beer, one of my weaknesses. I also like red wine. Beer is about the biggest weight gainer there is for me though, all those empty calories! I even make my own beer as well as drinking commercial/craft beers, that's how much I love it!
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This. Is. Awesome.

My favorite "bad food" is milkshakes.

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rock wrote:
Mmm yes please!!

I forgot about beer, one of my weaknesses. I also like red wine. Beer is about the biggest weight gainer there is for me though, all those empty calories! I even make my own beer as well as drinking commercial/craft beers, that's how much I love it!


Ha! I think if Rob drank 2000 (what like 10-15 beers or so?) calories of beer every day until he lost a kilo that might be more interesting than milkshakes....

Edit - if it were me, I would define food in this instance as being non-alcoholic.

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Oh yes! Milkshakes made at home with a blender and some great ice cream.
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Donuts! Bakery down the street from my pool helps me "refuel" and "recover" after hard morning swims!

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RowToTri wrote:
Ha! I think if Rob drank 2000 (what like 10-15 beers or so?) calories of beer every day until he lost a kilo that might be more interesting than milkshakes....

LOL - I didn't anticipate the suggestion of beer... I've set myself up for disaster! A 12oz bottle of Odell IPA is 210 calories, and I'm not sure I can actually get down more than 4. I'm kind of intrigued as to what will happen if I only drink beer, especially to my training!

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Ok it looks like burgers will make the cut for sure. We may as well add chips/fries with the burgers since you mentioned them.

I'll start with burgers tomorrow while the other suggestions continue rolling in

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Bakery made pies - cherry, razzleberry or strawberry-rhubarb.
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Chips and salsa.
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Re: What's your favorite "vice" food? I'll eat it for race weight! [Jimmy B.] [ In reply to ]
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I'm with you and Ed on this. I'm pretty simple ... a good strawberry or vanilla milkshake is hard to beat.
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Haha awesome. My top three:

Pancakes
Pizza
Sushi

Not always in they order.

Enjoy!
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Re: What's your favorite "vice" food? I'll eat it for race weight! [jeremyebrock] [ In reply to ]
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Pizza.

Or copious amounts of peanut butter.

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Let's get some food porn up in here

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Cheap instant ramen noodles. Make sure to use the entire flavor packet so that you get your full daily allowance of MSG ;)
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jeremyebrock wrote:
Haha awesome. My top three:

Pancakes
Pizza
Sushi

Not always in they order.

Enjoy!

now we're talking! I was hoping someone would ask for these. I might have to lower my race weight target to 71kg just to get some extra foods in! Sushi might be too healthy though, maybe I'll combine it with the beer one

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awesome we are in it together!

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 I'm doing Ironman Canada, so I have an extra month to make weight :)

It's long run day tomorrow, I might have to chase it with a vanilla milkshake after reading this thread !
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Jimmy B. wrote:
Oh yes! Milkshakes made at home with a blender and some great ice cream.

ok I think I'm in for milkshakes too

So I'll start with burgers and fries, then milkshakes, then pizza. I need to figure where beer fits in, but I'm up for that too (with possible side of sushi). Pancakes need to feature at some point.

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Bread pudding
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Anything with sugar. Cinnamon rolls come to mind.

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robgray wrote:
Ok, so I'm kind of fed up with the BS that people believe especially as it relates to daily diet and nutrition. Perhaps it's the time of year, but I've recently had quite a few people reach out to me for advice on early season weight loss. The thing they've all had in common is that they have a misguided sense of priority and ignore the most fundamental of principles... they focus on this diet or that diet, low carb, high fat, high protein, paleo, ancestral, whole 30, zone, atkins, nutrisystem blah blah blah blah-dee-blah....
While ignoring the simplest of facts: just eat less!!!

To prove my point, tell me what your favorite "bad" food is, and I will eat it to get to race weight. I'm racing IM Boulder in June, and have some weight to lose before then. I currently weigh 78kg, and should race around 73kg (or a bit less if possible). I'll get there by eating whatever I want, just less of it.

Here are the rules:
- Let's get a list of "bad" foods going. You tell me your favorite bad food, and I'll choose one at a time. The more delicious options will get preference!
- I'll eat the majority of my daily calories from that food type (1500-2000 calories per day).
- In addition to those calories, I can eat whatever I like on top of that.
- I'll update this thread with details of what I'm eating.
- When I lose 1kg / 2 lbs, I'll move on to the next "bad food" on the list.
- I'll still be training hard over this time, including Tour of Sufferlandria coming up. And of course prepping for IM Boulder.
- While we're at it, let's debunk some other BS, like not eating carbs at night.
- Maybe it will backfire completely! In which case I will of course admit that I'm wrong.
- Overall, I will be happy if the end result is that people relax and enjoy what they eat a bit more!

Ok, let's get the ball rolling, what's your best unhealthy food?

This is all a BS excuse to get out of the Macca approved cabbage and water diet. Just to spite you I am going to say my favourite food is cabbage and water so you have to start with that. OK, you can throw in a triple espresso in the morning too. You may eat as much Jan Ullrich approved black forest cake DURING workouts though. Not before or after.
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Mac and cheese.

I can't wait to see how this goes.
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captain-tri wrote:

If I couldn't eat a bit of junk food after a big training day once in a while, I think I'd give up endurance sports all together.

Once and a while ? more like every day.

I normally eat a nice ice cream every day in Summer and will have Pizza once or twice a week, I'm not too bothered about diets. I'm about 61kg and my weight never really changes, maybe when i get older it will be different.
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When I'm actually trying to lose weight I tone down the splurging to once in a while, like a couple times a week after bigger training days.

I'm fortunate that when I focus I can lose weight fairly easy, but I gain it even easier, so I have to be a little cautious.
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Don't underestimate the power of all you can eat sushi. Especially if it's fried with cream cheese in it.
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I challenge you to survive on a diet of my favourite food: Carrots. With crunchy peanut butter on them.

'It never gets easier, you just get crazier.'
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Doughnuts
Fried Chicken
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Nutella! Nothing beats a Nutella and honey sandwich
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Hibachi for sure.

Followed by a few good cookies. I'm a cookie addict. I would go to cookies anonymous if it existed. Well, maybe not, I'm not a quitter.

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Pretty much anything covered in maple syrup - real maple syrup. Nothing ends my day better than a bowl of blue bell vanilla or coffee ice cream topped with maple syrup!

On a recent trip to NH I purchased a few bottles of maple liquors, can't wait to try them out!
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Nutella on Ritz crackers. Love the saltiness of the ritz and the chocolate of nutella. I think a week of nothing but Cinnabon cinnamon buns would be interesting. I'd bet you would never want to see another one after that but they sure are good


robgray wrote:
Ok, so I'm kind of fed up with the BS that people believe especially as it relates to daily diet and nutrition. Perhaps it's the time of year, but I've recently had quite a few people reach out to me for advice on early season weight loss. The thing they've all had in common is that they have a misguided sense of priority and ignore the most fundamental of principles... they focus on this diet or that diet, low carb, high fat, high protein, paleo, ancestral, whole 30, zone, atkins, nutrisystem blah blah blah blah-dee-blah....
While ignoring the simplest of facts: just eat less!!!

To prove my point, tell me what your favorite "bad" food is, and I will eat it to get to race weight. I'm racing IM Boulder in June, and have some weight to lose before then. I currently weigh 78kg, and should race around 73kg (or a bit less if possible). I'll get there by eating whatever I want, just less of it.

Here are the rules:
- Let's get a list of "bad" foods going. You tell me your favorite bad food, and I'll choose one at a time. The more delicious options will get preference!
- I'll eat the majority of my daily calories from that food type (1500-2000 calories per day).
- In addition to those calories, I can eat whatever I like on top of that.
- I'll update this thread with details of what I'm eating.
- When I lose 1kg / 2 lbs, I'll move on to the next "bad food" on the list.
- I'll still be training hard over this time, including Tour of Sufferlandria coming up. And of course prepping for IM Boulder.
- While we're at it, let's debunk some other BS, like not eating carbs at night.
- Maybe it will backfire completely! In which case I will of course admit that I'm wrong.
- Overall, I will be happy if the end result is that people relax and enjoy what they eat a bit more!

Ok, let's get the ball rolling, what's your best unhealthy food?

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Potato Chips... Lays, any flavor you want.

Another vote for pizza.

Buffalo wings
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I have to confess - I have a weakness for cookies. Does not matter what kind. Chocochip or oatmeal from a good bakery that does not load it up with sodium... if I start with one I'll end up eating the entire stash.

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Don't forget about tacos
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First off, the point has been made before. ("Twinkie Diet" wasn't it?) Portion control, we get it.

Second, how's the nutritional value of that junk you're eating? I'm not exactly one to count macro- or micro-nutrients, but all that processed food is crap, at best.

Lastly, hunger isn't much fun, so while it's true that the math doesn't change, why fault people for looking for ways to make it less painful?
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While eating fewer calories is the mechanism of weight loss, avoiding sugary and addictive foods definitely makes fat loss a heck of a lot easier and faster once blood sugar isn't being spiked frequently throughout the day (but I'm sure you already know this). I recently cut out sugar, fake sugar, and nearly all processed foods and body fat has been falling off without any attention given to caloric intake.

With that being said, I LOVE donuts :)
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jstonebarger wrote:
First off, the point has been made before. ("Twinkie Diet" wasn't it?) Portion control, we get it.
Maybe you get it, but most people out there doing I see doing fad diets, being miserable and failing - clearly they don't get it

jstonebarger wrote:
Second, how's the nutritional value of that junk you're eating? I'm not exactly one to count macro- or micro-nutrients, but all that processed food is crap, at best.
But it sure tastes good. Besides, I could gain a load of weight by eating low carb, unprocessed healthy whole foods. Maybe once December comes around I will do a weight gain challenge only eating a strict list of "clean" foods.

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Lastly, hunger isn't much fun, so while it's true that the math doesn't change, why fault people for looking for ways to make it less painful?
Well that is my point - I'm faulting people for making it MORE painful. Restricting yourself with all the rules about what to eat, and when to eat it... that is painful. Eating burgers, pizza, milkshakes and beer sounds pretty painless to me...

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...once blood sugar isn't being spiked frequently throughout the day...
With that being said, I LOVE donuts :)

You're right but I think insulin is vilified too much. As an athlete, you WANT insulin spikes at some points in the day (like after a workout) since it's an anabolic hormone that promotes storage (of glycogen in this case, but also of fat which is where it gets the bad rap).

During this experiment, I won't be eating lots of meals throughout the day. Probably just one or two meals a day. I don't expect many blood sugar spikes during the burger phase, but of course during the milkshake and donut phases this will be inevitable... mmm donuts

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robgray wrote:
Ok, so I'm kind of fed up with the BS that people believe especially as it relates to daily diet and nutrition. Perhaps it's the time of year, but I've recently had quite a few people reach out to me for advice on early season weight loss. The thing they've all had in common is that they have a misguided sense of priority and ignore the most fundamental of principles... they focus on this diet or that diet, low carb, high fat, high protein, paleo, ancestral, whole 30, zone, atkins, nutrisystem blah blah blah blah-dee-blah....
While ignoring the simplest of facts: just eat less!!!

To prove my point, tell me what your favorite "bad" food is, and I will eat it to get to race weight. I'm racing IM Boulder in June, and have some weight to lose before then. I currently weigh 78kg, and should race around 73kg (or a bit less if possible). I'll get there by eating whatever I want, just less of it.

Here are the rules:
- Let's get a list of "bad" foods going. You tell me your favorite bad food, and I'll choose one at a time. The more delicious options will get preference!
- I'll eat the majority of my daily calories from that food type (1500-2000 calories per day).
- In addition to those calories, I can eat whatever I like on top of that.
- I'll update this thread with details of what I'm eating.
- When I lose 1kg / 2 lbs, I'll move on to the next "bad food" on the list.
- I'll still be training hard over this time, including Tour of Sufferlandria coming up. And of course prepping for IM Boulder.
- While we're at it, let's debunk some other BS, like not eating carbs at night.
- Maybe it will backfire completely! In which case I will of course admit that I'm wrong.
- Overall, I will be happy if the end result is that people relax and enjoy what they eat a bit more!

Ok, let's get the ball rolling, what's your best unhealthy food?

those diets arent bs, especially paleo or Mediterranean, they basically say eat a ton of vegetables, a lot of fruit, and some nuts and meat. Please tell me how that is BS? why do you think 75% of people in u.s are overweight? they dont know this amazing knowledge you have that they need to eat less? maybe that, but they also eat a ton of processed garbage that doesnt fill them up and makes them keep eating, you think you are going to be the first person ever to do a competitive ironman training program and not put on weight despite eating "bad" foods?
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those diets arent bs, especially paleo or Mediterranean, they basically say eat a ton of vegetables, a lot of fruit, and some nuts and meat. Please tell me how that is BS?
I didn't say the diets are BS. The BS is that people think "going on a diet" is the way to health and happiness. They obsess about the rules these diets have (eat this, don't eat that, eat at this time etc.), thinking that is the way to lose weight. Trust me I could easily get overweight by eating Paleo and Med.

But now that you mention it, Paleo BS: grains are bad, legumes are bad, carbs are bad. Paleo is like a religion and it's cross-fitting followers are obsessed with the rules. Don't get me wrong, the general idea of Paleo is good but people need to feel like it's ok to break the rules and they will be just fine. My normal diet is pretty close to Paleo but I have not been inducted into the church. I live in Boulder and half the population lives gluten free despite not having the slightest trace of celiac disease. Gluten is awesome and gives me power. The Paleo church expelled me due to my gluten habits.

goregrind wrote:
why do you think 75% of people in u.s are overweight?
because they are lazy and eat too much

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If I couldn't eat a bit of junk food after a big training day once in a while, I think I'd give up endurance sports all together.

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Louie Cayedito wrote:
While eating fewer calories is the mechanism of weight loss, avoiding sugary and addictive foods definitely makes fat loss a heck of a lot easier and faster once blood sugar isn't being spiked frequently throughout the day (but I'm sure you already know this). I recently cut out sugar, fake sugar, and nearly all processed foods and body fat has been falling off without any attention given to caloric intake.

With that being said, I LOVE donuts :)

I agree with this 100%. I just dropped 13 lbs in 5 weeks by cutting out processed crap, while keeping in a lot of my staple foods and focusing on aerobic conditioning. I did minimize fat intake since that is where the weight was hanging and watched the portion sizes too.

However, I'll be on a 7-day cruise in a few more weeks. So, there is a good chance I will pack quite a few pounds back on.

My picks:
Pizza
Pasta (any pasta)
Milkshakes

Cheers!
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TropicPlace wrote:

My picks:
Pizza
Pasta (any pasta)
Milkshakes

Cheers!

Ok! it seems Pizza and Milkshakes are in with a very good chance of making the list

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Rob - Sushi. But has to be all you can eat restaurant variety... :)
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This isn't an "experiment," it's a stunt. It's no more sustainable than any other "Diet," and certainly no better for you.

If you're going to recycle an old bar trick simply for the sake of entertainment, fine, but don't be self-righteous about it.
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Here is the tentative schedule:
  • 78-77kg: burgers
  • 77-76kg: pizza
  • 76-75kg: milkshakes / ice cream
  • 75-74kg: beer
  • 74-73kg: pancakes, donuts and cake

The one caveat to the schedule above, is that I have a ski trip planned at the end of March. I think beer is going to be the easiest to fit in with that, since I don’t have to work, or drive anywhere. So I may well adjust that, depending on how the progress goes.

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I believe that you have mentioned on your blog that you own your metabolic cart. If so ot would be cool if you did some ramp tests showing showing your RER at a range of wattage and/or running speed. You could do a baseline now off of your normal diet and then a test at the end of the experiment. If you're willing, test at the concclusion of each cheat food. It would definitely be interesting to see.
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Double Double.
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Girl Scout cookie time...a box of Thin Mints and a box of Samoas since yesterday at 4:00 since the little sugar pushers showed up at my door and caught me at a weak time right after running! I'm afraid to even go into the bathroom and see the scale...Why????????????
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robgray wrote:
goregrind wrote:
those diets arent bs, especially paleo or Mediterranean, they basically say eat a ton of vegetables, a lot of fruit, and some nuts and meat. Please tell me how that is BS?

I didn't say the diets are BS. The BS is that people think "going on a diet" is the way to health and happiness. They obsess about the rules these diets have (eat this, don't eat that, eat at this time etc.), thinking that is the way to lose weight. Trust me I could easily get overweight by eating Paleo and Med.

But now that you mention it, Paleo BS: grains are bad, legumes are bad, carbs are bad. Paleo is like a religion and it's cross-fitting followers are obsessed with the rules. Don't get me wrong, the general idea of Paleo is good but people need to feel like it's ok to break the rules and they will be just fine. My normal diet is pretty close to Paleo but I have not been inducted into the church. I live in Boulder and half the population lives gluten free despite not having the slightest trace of celiac disease. Gluten is awesome and gives me power. The Paleo church expelled me due to my gluten habits.

goregrind wrote:
why do you think 75% of people in u.s are overweight?

because they are lazy and eat too much

oh really, there is this huge group of paleo people you know in real life and hung out with and they actually told you to go away because they saw you eat bread? yeah we believe that, basically you saw some comments in an internet forum from someone who is paleo or gluten free you didnt like and your whole perception of paleo is based on that, plus your jealous of their willpower so you handle it by trying to troll anyone that cares about their health with this amazing experiment where you arent going to gain weight training of an ironman
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Deep fried Mars bars
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I can't believe no one mentioned Peanut M&M's. They are my kryptonite.
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Hoffmeister wrote:
Deep fried Mars bars

WHAT???? I had to google that... looks pretty amazing but there is a severe shortage of mars bars in the USA and I have no deep fryer. Do you make these yourself or is there somewhere you can get them served up?

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I can't believe no one mentioned Peanut M&M's. They are my kryptonite.
and peanut butter M&M's - I'm going to have to work these in somehow. Maybe as a topping to the milkshakes

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jstonebarger wrote:
First off, the point has been made before. ("Twinkie Diet" wasn't it?) Portion control, we get it.

Second, how's the nutritional value of that junk you're eating? I'm not exactly one to count macro- or micro-nutrients, but all that processed food is crap, at best.

Lastly, hunger isn't much fun, so while it's true that the math doesn't change, why fault people for looking for ways to make it less painful?

... because of this calories in calories out being proven already (ref http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...kie-di_b_782678.html ) we want this....


kbd wrote:
I believe that you have mentioned on your blog that you own your metabolic cart. If so ot would be cool if you did some ramp tests showing showing your RER at a range of wattage and/or running speed. You could do a baseline now off of your normal diet and then a test at the end of the experiment. If you're willing, test at the concclusion of each cheat food. It would definitely be interesting to see.


in addition maybe show us maybe you can gain real muscle mass instead of focus on body weight, and how your performance is effected for high energy events like olympic tri, 5k etc, instead of long shuffle jog finisher events.
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plus your jealous of their willpower so you handle it by trying to troll anyone that cares about their health with this amazing experiment where you arent going to gain weight training of an ironman

Rob will have to show some serious willpower to limit his daily meals with what he's eating! I bet he experiences some serious cravings for salty and sugary stuff between his meals. I predict he will feel no jealousy.
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in addition maybe show us maybe you can gain real muscle mass instead of focus on body weight
I don't think I'll be gaining muscle. Hopefully maintaining overall, maybe losing some upper body muscle which I'm ok with. I use a withings scale which does measure body fat. It's affected a bit by hydration status, but if we take the starting and ending readings over a few days we'll get an approximate idea of muscle retention. My withings scale with the way it's set up tracks within about 1% of a hydrostatic test for me.


synthetic wrote:
and how your performance is effected for high energy events like olympic tri, 5k etc, instead of long shuffle jog finisher events.
Ouch!

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synthetic wrote:
in addition maybe show us maybe you can gain real muscle mass instead of focus on body weight

I don't think I'll be gaining muscle. Hopefully maintaining overall, maybe losing some upper body muscle which I'm ok with. I use a withings scale which does measure body fat. It's affected a bit by hydration status, but if we take the starting and ending readings over a few days we'll get an approximate idea of muscle retention. My withings scale with the way it's set up tracks within about 1% of a hydrostatic test for me.

well the important thing is how much useful muscle you have . watts/kg is a good ratio predictor of that.
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robgray wrote:
mwanner1 wrote:
I can't believe no one mentioned Peanut M&M's. They are my kryptonite.
and peanut butter M&M's - I'm going to have to work these in somehow. Maybe as a topping to the milkshakes

That sounds delicious! Go for it!
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just eat less!!!

And move more!!!
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Chicken parm pizza!
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robgray wrote:
Hoffmeister wrote:
Deep fried Mars bars


WHAT???? I had to google that... looks pretty amazing but there is a severe shortage of mars bars in the USA and I have no deep fryer. Do you make these yourself or is there somewhere you can get them served up?

I admit I have never tried them, but you can get them in Scottish Fish & Chip shops.

I had no idea that Mars bars aren't being sold in the USA, they are pretty much everywhere in the UK. Apparently they are called Snickers Almond in the USA.
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I don't expect many blood sugar spikes during the burger phase, but of course during the milkshake and donut phases this will be inevitable... mmm donuts

Nice. Periodisation. Looking forward to seeing what's going to go down during your race phase.
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Obviously it's possible to lose weight eating anything if you're sufficiently disciplined about calories, though easier with some foods than others. But aren't you also concerned about your athletic performance and general health? Is the hypothesis that only calories matter and the macro and micro nutrient composition of your food is irrelevant? That's a pretty radical hypothesis! I feel like I'm missing the point of this exercise.
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niccolo wrote:
Is the hypothesis that only calories matter and the macro and micro nutrient composition of your food is irrelevant? That's a pretty radical hypothesis!

Not irrelevant, just that many people ignore calories and only focus on macro + micro nutrients. For weight loss, calories are much more important than micros, macros, timing etc. And there is an entire industry exploiting people in order to try and sell them a program / supplements etc. for weight loss.

Many athletes are truly afraid to eat the things in my list, and I would love it if they felt a bit more relaxed about things.

To answer your question about whether I am concerned about my athletic performance and general health, my answer varies by phase:

Burgers: no
Pizza: no
Beer: yes, pretty concerned!
Milkshakes/ice cream: no
Donuts and cakes: yes

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Ok here is day 1 burger dinner. Bacon Cheeseburger from Five Guys (first time I've been there, pretty good!), home made chicken burger with mayo, butter and avocado, 2 glasses of red wine, curly fries and sweet potato fries. I needed to get in a few extra calories after this so I ate 2 x salted caramel ice cream sticks (only 100 calories each).
I have to admit I could have eaten a bit less, I was pretty full after this. About 2000 calories at dinner, 2700 total for the day.





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robgray wrote:
I don't expect many blood sugar spikes during the burger phase, but of course during the milkshake and donut phases this will be inevitable... mmm donuts

Nice. Periodisation. Looking forward to seeing what's going to go down during your race phase.

I can't imagine this will go well for his race.
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robgray wrote:
Here is the tentative schedule:
  • 78-77kg: burgers
  • 77-76kg: pizza
  • 76-75kg: milkshakes / ice cream
  • 75-74kg: beer
  • 74-73kg: pancakes, donuts and cake

The one caveat to the schedule above, is that I have a ski trip planned at the end of March. I think beer is going to be the easiest to fit in with that, since I don’t have to work, or drive anywhere. So I may well adjust that, depending on how the progress goes.

All of this is just lame ass excuse for being weak. First of all, the Ultraman Hawaii guys are debating revoking your Ultramanhoodcard on account of not manning up and including the Macca appoved cabbage and water plan (you do realize that cows get fat eating nothing but grass.....so you're really avoiding the cabbage cause you don't want to turn into the size of a small cow)!!!!
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devashish_paul wrote:
All of this is just lame ass excuse for being weak. First of all, the Ultraman Hawaii guys are debating revoking your Ultramanhoodcard on account of not manning up and including the Macca appoved cabbage and water plan (you do realize that cows get fat eating nothing but grass.....so you're really avoiding the cabbage cause you don't want to turn into the size of a small cow)!!!!

maybe I will include the cabbage for going sub 70kg, with a treat allowance of sauerkraut

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robgray wrote:
devashish_paul wrote:

All of this is just lame ass excuse for being weak. First of all, the Ultraman Hawaii guys are debating revoking your Ultramanhoodcard on account of not manning up and including the Macca appoved cabbage and water plan (you do realize that cows get fat eating nothing but grass.....so you're really avoiding the cabbage cause you don't want to turn into the size of a small cow)!!!!


maybe I will include the cabbage for going sub 70kg, with a treat allowance of sauerkraut

Don't fall for the cabbage and water plan. It was Macca's grand ploy to make everyone else fat, while secretly getting lean on ice cream, chocolate, burgers, fries, beer and pop. Just look at all those cows at your local Colorado ranch...all fat eating greens only (then again, they don't move much)!!!!
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Pretty much anything covered in maple syrup - real maple syrup. Nothing ends my day better than a bowl of blue bell vanilla or coffee ice cream topped with maple syrup!

Try maple syrup on top of a bowl of snow. That's the best way to eat it IMO.

maybe she's born with it, maybe it's chlorine
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Ahh yes! Do you heat up the syrup until it starts to turn into candy first? I remember my grandparents doing that, so good! I live in Texas now, so no snow available here. :(
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Ahh yes! Do you heat up the syrup until it starts to turn into candy first? I remember my grandparents doing that, so good! I live in Texas now, so no snow available here. :(

no, don't heat it

maple candy is really good :-) I like it when the syrup has been used enough that candy forms around the bottle neck. Then you can sort of scrape small bits off with a knife.

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cottage cheese that's not strained

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You have to try heating the maple syrup first... I can't remember the temperature, but it gets thicker. When you pour it into the snow it kind of sits on top instead of soaking in.

I will try pretty much anything that says it's maple, but all the imitation stuff just isn't the same!
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Pretty much anything covered in maple syrup - real maple syrup. Nothing ends my day better than a bowl of blue bell vanilla or coffee ice cream topped with maple syrup!


Try maple syrup on top of a bowl of snow. That's the best way to eat it IMO.

I've never heard of this - but it sounds pretty good. I'll push it to the top of the list as soon as the next fresh snow arrives

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Pretty much anything covered in maple syrup - real maple syrup. Nothing ends my day better than a bowl of blue bell vanilla or coffee ice cream topped with maple syrup!

Try maple syrup on top of a bowl of snow. That's the best way to eat it IMO.
I've never heard of this - but it sounds pretty good. I'll push it to the top of the list as soon as the next fresh snow arrives

We call it sugar on snow.
You need to use real maple syrup - not the Mrs. Buttersworth.

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robgray wrote:
Ok, so I'm kind of fed up with the BS that people believe especially as it relates to daily diet and nutrition. Perhaps it's the time of year, but I've recently had quite a few people reach out to me for advice on early season weight loss. The thing they've all had in common is that they have a misguided sense of priority and ignore the most fundamental of principles... they focus on this diet or that diet, low carb, high fat, high protein, paleo, ancestral, whole 30, zone, atkins, nutrisystem blah blah blah blah-dee-blah....
While ignoring the simplest of facts: just eat less!!!

To prove my point, tell me what your favorite "bad" food is, and I will eat it to get to race weight. I'm racing IM Boulder in June, and have some weight to lose before then. I currently weigh 78kg, and should race around 73kg (or a bit less if possible). I'll get there by eating whatever I want, just less of it.

Here are the rules:
- Let's get a list of "bad" foods going. You tell me your favorite bad food, and I'll choose one at a time. The more delicious options will get preference!
- I'll eat the majority of my daily calories from that food type (1500-2000 calories per day).
- In addition to those calories, I can eat whatever I like on top of that.
- I'll update this thread with details of what I'm eating.
- When I lose 1kg / 2 lbs, I'll move on to the next "bad food" on the list.
- I'll still be training hard over this time, including Tour of Sufferlandria coming up. And of course prepping for IM Boulder.
- While we're at it, let's debunk some other BS, like not eating carbs at night.
- Maybe it will backfire completely! In which case I will of course admit that I'm wrong.
- Overall, I will be happy if the end result is that people relax and enjoy what they eat a bit more!

Ok, let's get the ball rolling, what's your best unhealthy food?

Big. Fat. F***ing. Cheeseburgers
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squid wrote:

Big. Fat. F***ing. Cheeseburgers

ok then I am well on track
Day 1 included a big double bacon cheeseburger from Five Guys and a chicken burger (which was way too healthy not even any cheese, just mayo and avo)
Day 2 was 2 x big cheeseburgers with butter, mayo and avocado

Today I'll probably go for the extra long cheeseburger from Burger King. But I probably need two, since I screwed up on the Tour of Sufferlandria workout this morning... because it was like 5am and I clicked on stage 7 instead of stage 3 and only realized after I was done. So now I have to do another bike workout today, which increases the required cheeseburger count.





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robgray wrote:
squid wrote:


Big. Fat. F***ing. Cheeseburgers


ok then I am well on track
Day 1 included a big double bacon cheeseburger from Five Guys and a chicken burger (which was way too healthy not even any cheese, just mayo and avo)
Day 2 was 2 x big cheeseburgers with butter, mayo and avocado

Today I'll probably go for the extra long cheeseburger from Burger King. But I probably need two, since I screwed up on the Tour of Sufferlandria workout this morning... because it was like 5am and I clicked on stage 7 instead of stage 3 and only realized after I was done. So now I have to do another bike workout today, which increases the required cheeseburger count.




LOL. I approve this diet strategy. Back when I was doing a lot of long course, I would refer to a particularly long and hard training ride as a "double Whopper with cheese ride"
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Rob,

Are you on MyFitnessPal?

I have a modest streak (856 days), but firmly subscribe to the idea that what you eat doesn't matter, but how much. I generally eat pretty healthy (stay away from fast food for the most part), but weekends are filled with beers, french fries, sweets, more beers, burgers, and greasy club sandwiches.

Over 856 days, I've consistently been at or just above my goal calorie intake, and I've gained 5 pounds in muscle. Looking forward to seeing you carry out this grand experiment, you lucky bastard.
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i don't understand these issues either. i don't diet, don't abstain from the occasional beer or three, eat what i want for the most part. My wife and i end nearly every day (when we are home) with ice cream. lt's low fat so i simply double the amount i put in the bowl, then i throw on a ton of peanut butter.

i am 6'2 and weigh ~159 lbs. today, raced IMWC last year at 157 lbs.
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TriowaCPA wrote:
Rob,

Are you on MyFitnessPal?

I have a modest streak (856 days), but firmly subscribe to the idea that what you eat doesn't matter, but how much. I generally eat pretty healthy (stay away from fast food for the most part), but weekends are filled with beers, french fries, sweets, more beers, burgers, and greasy club sandwiches.

Over 856 days, I've consistently been at or just above my goal calorie intake, and I've gained 5 pounds in muscle. Looking forward to seeing you carry out this grand experiment, you lucky bastard.

yes I'm tracking everything on MyFitnessPal. It's so easy to use and the training peaks integration is great. So 865 days! I'd say that's more than modest...

I find MFP very useful to do every now and then, especially since it raises awareness of what you're actually eating. Like, that little bowl of pecans is HOW MANY CALORIES!!!?

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dairy queen oreo blizzard is my vice.
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randomtriguy wrote:
dairy queen oreo blizzard is my vice.

ok, this is a MUST DO once I get to the milkshakes + ice cream phase. I've been thinking about reputable sources of milkshakes, and at 1130 calories for the large Oreo Blizzard I am looking forward to that!

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Totally agree--love the TrainingPeaks integration. And raw almonds anger me...2 oz (a handful) is 330 calories.

Biggest gripe with logging is days like yesterday (super bowl)...where I ate wings, cookies, a bloody mary, beers, cheese/meat/crackers, popcorn, scotcharoos, italian sandwiches, little smokies, etc etc etc. Woke up today and had to take a depressing walk down memory lane as I totaled up all 5,000 calories haha.
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cheese steaks, but that's really not going to help you unless in Phila area.
bacon ch burgers

"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "
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Leddy wrote:
cheese steaks, but that's really not going to help you unless in Phila area.
bacon ch burgers

There is Taste of Philly here in Boulder - is that legit enough?

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this is a MUST DO once I get to the milkshakes + ice cream phase


Oh, I get it. It's a periodization type plan
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robgray wrote:
Leddy wrote:
cheese steaks, but that's really not going to help you unless in Phila area.
bacon ch burgers


There is Taste of Philly here in Boulder - is that legit enough?

Probably not but sounds like it might be close enough. If you go in to order and they give you an attitude then your chances are better! At least the picture on the website looks legit and isn't just roast beef on a roll with cheese.

"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "
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squid wrote:
this is a MUST DO once I get to the milkshakes + ice cream phase


Oh, I get it. It's a periodization type plan

it is yes - and very scientific. I'm starting with burgers, then when I lose 1kg I move on to the next thing. Definitely reverse periodization not traditional, since I get very race specific towards the end (pancakes, coke, donuts). And there is a recovery period (beer) and build (pizza, milkshakes etc)... Friel would be so proud

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My favorite junk food is definitely pizza and milkshakes (like others have mentioned). I could easily top consume 2000+ calories in a sitting with that combo. Yumm.

Oddly, one of my other favorite foods is sushi, which isn't really that high in calorie, unless you eat 28 pieces like I have done in the past.
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I don't know if it's been said or if you even have decided which you're going to use, but if not, i must suggest Nutella. I go through a box of crackers and a jar a month. If you lose weight eating that black gold, i'll feel less like a piece of shit everytime i shovel some into my mouth
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Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles


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Ok, so I'm kind of fed up with the BS that people believe especially as it relates to daily diet and nutrition. Perhaps it's the time of year, but I've recently had quite a few people reach out to me for advice on early season weight loss. The thing they've all had in common is that they have a misguided sense of priority and ignore the most fundamental of principles... they focus on this diet or that diet, low carb, high fat, high protein, paleo, ancestral, whole 30, zone, atkins, nutrisystem blah blah blah blah-dee-blah....
While ignoring the simplest of facts: just eat less!!!

I love that you're doing this, and totally agree. There's so much BS out there. I can't add anything to the list: burgers, burritos, beef, beer, all the good stuff is "b" I guess. Can't wait to see how it goes. :-)

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Gehena wrote:
I don't know if it's been said or if you even have decided which you're going to use, but if not, i must suggest Nutella. I go through a box of crackers and a jar a month. If you lose weight eating that black gold, i'll feel less like a piece of shit everytime i shovel some into my mouth

there have been a few nutella requests. I think initially we'll include it with one of the other important food groups, maybe the pancakes. If I do get to race weight in good time, I might do a "nutella only" phase, which I think would work well for me. I do love Nutella but I can only eat so much before I feel a little sick, so it could possibly be my key to success if that's all I eat.

I put the provisional food type schedule up on a blog post - pancakes are in for the final push to race weight and we should make a home for nutella there

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+2 on fried chicken. This with a beer is my achilles heel.

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Fantastic
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robgray wrote:
squid wrote:
this is a MUST DO once I get to the milkshakes + ice cream phase


Oh, I get it. It's a periodization type plan


it is yes - and very scientific. I'm starting with burgers, then when I lose 1kg I move on to the next thing. Definitely reverse periodization not traditional, since I get very race specific towards the end (pancakes, coke, donuts). And there is a recovery period (beer) and build (pizza, milkshakes etc)... Friel would be so proud


I believe that you are ripping off the plan from Jan Ullrich. Are you paying him licensing fees? He invented this before he won the TdF in 1997 (well when you beat Virenque, Bjarne Riis, Abraham Olano, Fernando Escartin and Marco Pantani, there must be MORE to the plan but I digress....oh the days when blood was way thicker than water and you could still overcome the Jan Ullrich eating plan)
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Panda Express Orange and Beijing Chicken. Something about that syrup and deep fried-ness.
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Burgers, hands down!

My go to is a double meat, double cheese, bacon, ketchup, mustard, pickles on a brioche bun. With a serve of hand cut chips of course!

I eat one at least once/twice a week and have no problem with weight. I think it's important regarding diet to not live by absolutes, life's short. Enjoy yourself!

burger updates: day 1, day 2, day 3, day 4
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I am getting close to the 77kg mark now, but there are still some burgers I want to try, so I will have to eat a bit more today!
So far I've had BK extra long cheeseburger, Five Guys Bacon Cheeseburger , Smashburger Bacon Avocado Club, and Good Times Big Daddy bacon cheese burger. There are still at least 3 more local burgers I need to try. I was expecting each phase to last about 2 weeks (one pound per week) so I will increase calories slightly to at least hopefully make the burger phase last until the end of this week. Next phase is probably the milkshakes / ice cream phase. In my burger journey I did find something called a spoonbender at Good Times which looks like a 2000 calorie milkshake/sundae thing.






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Very impressive!

And here I am eating chicken, veggies and brown rice in the lead up to IMNZ, now I'm considering switching to a burgers diet!
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Very impressive!

And here I am eating chicken, veggies and brown rice in the lead up to IMNZ, now I'm considering switching to a burgers diet!

while the burger diet is a LOT of fun, I think with a month to go to IMNZ, your current diet is probably better for your training!

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You mentioned 1,500-2,000 calories per day. How did you arrive at that number for weight loss? Is that just based on your experience of what you need personally? Or is there some method you use.

I was in the 195-205lbs range since early 2010 right after I got married. Decided I was tired of getting beat up all the hills so I decided to lose weight last winter. Got down to 175lbs by tracking calories on MFP. Have been in the 170-175 range for the last year. Currently I am 175 and want to be in the 165 range. I agree with your method that calorie deficit is what is important as it worked for me last winter. Just not always sure how much of a deficit I should be using. Would be interested to hear your ideas on that.

Enjoy the burgers, burgers, tots and beer are my issue!
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While ignoring the simplest of facts: just eat less!!!

There is a lot of research in diabetes that shows that trying to lose weight from calorie restriction can't work. A calorie is not a calorie because the body reacts differently (ie. a calorie of sugar vs. a calorie of fat).

Look at some of the research from Dr. Fung, a diabetes specialist in Toronto.

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You mentioned 1,500-2,000 calories per day. How did you arrive at that number for weight loss? Is that just based on your experience of what you need personally? Or is there some method you use.

Yes that's a very good question. In this whole calorie deficit equation there are some elements that are pretty accurate and others that are not so accurate. So I start with the accurate things and then fine tune based on the not-so-accurate things.

I begin with my RMR (resting metabolic rate). I tested mine using indirect calorimetry (a metabolic cart) but the answer it gave is actually pretty close to some of the estimates you get from online calculators.

RMR: 2200 calories per day. That's how much I will burn if I do nothing.
Then, you would normally add some calories on top of that based on how active your lifestyle is. At this point, I add ZERO, because when I'm not working out, I'm not doing much physical activity. If I was a construction worker or someone who really did move a lot I would add some calories here. But in MFP I choose whatever that most lazy option is.

Then, I deduct calories based on what I want to lose. For me, I think I went for about a 500 calorie deficit per day, so my target is about 1700 calories.
There is actually quite a good mathematically based formula online, that is more sophisticated than the "lose 1 lb of fat for every 3500 in deficit" principle, and it will account for your RMR decreasing as you lose weight, but I just wanted to keep it simple, since with the inaccuracies in both food eaten and exercise calories burned, I didn't really feel it was worth complicating.

After that, I track the calories consumed, using MFP, and I track calories burned using Training Peaks. The training peaks numbers are actually very accurate for me (validated by testing with an actual metabolic cart), so I trust those a lot more than those default calorie estimates you get in MFP (those are over estimated quite a bit).

So with all of that together, I'm aiming for net calories per day of 1700. On most days that means eating 2500-3000 calories. I track it all super diligently for 2 weeks and then see what the weight loss is. Then I adjust the number based on what actually happens.

I also track calories during my key build phase of training, but with the goal of making sure I'm slightly over my caloric intake (i.e. slight surplus) which makes sure I have enough energy to recover well etc. So in those cases I'm shooting for closer to 3000 net calories per day, and if I start gaining weight I reduce it a bit.

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While ignoring the simplest of facts: just eat less!!!

There is a lot of research in diabetes that shows that trying to lose weight from calorie restriction can't work. A calorie is not a calorie because the body reacts differently (ie. a calorie of sugar vs. a calorie of fat).

Look at some of the research from Dr. Fung, a diabetes specialist in Toronto.

Yes I'm aware of Dr Fung's work. His "bedside manner" takes a bit to get used to i.e. his "everyone is an idiot" attitude but he's a smart guy... I agree with a good portion of what he says but he's said a few things that he just spouts out with no data to back it up. I think for anyone with a disease (diabetes, other auto immune diseases, cancer etc.) then what you eat has a huge impact on your physical state. But I'm purely talking weight loss in normal people, where a calorie really is just a calorie.

What I end up doing most days (not by design, it just works out that way) is actually very similar to what Dr Fung talks about in terms of intermittent fasting. Since I'm getting almost all my calories for the day in a single meal of burgers and fries, I usually eat that in the late afternoon. I'm not hungry the rest of the day so I don't eat. It just so happens that I get a lot of calories in one hit, then there is a long period of 20+ hours of nothing. There will be some benefits to that in terms of hormonal balance (stable insulin etc.)

When I've heard Jason Fung talk about calories not being important, I think he is misunderstood around that. What I took from that, is that he's saying that the benefits of fasting is not about the calories, it's about the hormonal regulation. The way he says it implies that calorie balance is not important but I don't think that's what he was trying to say. The studies he refers to, are 6 month studies showing caloric restriction and intermittent fasting both had the same weight loss result, but the fasting group had better biomarkers after the study. They are both actually caloric restriction (and by the same amount) but with the non-fasting group they adopted the "popular" diet practice of meals plus snacking, vs the fasting group which maybe only ate once per day (or even less frequently).

So when you are eating burgers all the time, the practicalities of it mean that you don't eat very often, so probably closer to his IF group than the other.

Dr Fung had this analogy of caloric restriction vs fasting: "people saying it's about calories is like saying jumping off a one foot high ledge 100 times is the same as jumping off a 100ft bridge. With one you die and the other you don't"... which I thought is one of the most ridiculous analogies ever, but everyone is free to create analogies that don't make sense I guess....

Anyway here he is talking about the calorie thing if any of you are interested

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Salted caramel pretzel ice cream, Safeway brand :)

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Salted caramel pretzel ice cream, Safeway brand :)

Yes! I'm very close to the next phase: ice cream and milk shakes. Will be getting that one for sure. I love salted caramel, pretzels and ice cream, so this sounds like the perfect vice food...

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Oh yes! Milkshakes made at home with a blender and some great ice cream.

ok the burger phase is now done, and I'm now in the 76kg-77kg phase of milkshakes, ice cream, sundaes and other dairy related evils. I did some short posts each day on the blog, and I added a playlist of the videos on youtube which almost accumulate a very short trainer ride duration now.

On my burger quests, I found a place that has a 2000 calorie milkshake which I simply cannot turn a blind eye to

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I have to confess - I have a weakness for cookies. Does not matter what kind. Chocochip or oatmeal from a good bakery that does not load it up with sodium... if I start with one I'll end up eating the entire stash.

ok you're in! cookies are going to be a part of the current ice cream phase, as toppings

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Salted caramel pretzel ice cream, Safeway brand :)

Ok, that is on the menu for tonight, although I had to go with Talenti as my local Safeway didn't have their own brand. Talenti is legit so I am excited!

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I don't know if this has been suggested before, but you should try training on food only available at convenient stores. Forget burgers, etc.—arguably "bad" but still whole food... Try training in a food desert.

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cloy26 wrote:
I don't know if this has been suggested before, but you should try training on food only available at convenient stores. Forget burgers, etc.—arguably "bad" but still whole food... Try training in a food desert.

you're right, the burgers were fine for training. I'm now on ice cream and milkshakes which is proving a bit more challenging (both in terms of how I feel for training, and being hungry a lot more)

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robgray wrote:
boilerup wrote:
Salted caramel pretzel ice cream, Safeway brand :)


Ok, that is on the menu for tonight, although I had to go with Talenti as my local Safeway didn't have their own brand. Talenti is legit so I am excited!

What???! Talenti good, yes, but the Safeway brand of the above flavor is the bomb! I can convince myself to have a bowl after any long climbing ride!

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I was just in LA this weekend for a vacation and got the #1--two waffles and two pieces of fried chicken, two scoops of butter and lots of syrup!

It's safe to say I could definitely have that everyday and die happy.
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Maybe choose ice creams that have nuts or fruits in them to add a little diversity to your caloric intake? Or is that cheating? :)

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Maybe choose ice creams that have nuts or fruits in them to add a little diversity to your caloric intake? Or is that cheating? :)

No that's fine - totally allowed. I have a few berry ice creams which are pretty good (Marionberry pie crust I am having tomorrow. looking forward to that). But even with all the cookie dough, caramel cores etc. this phase seems to require a lot more careful timing to survive. The mistake I made today was that I started eating ice cream at 11am, and it all added up so fast that I was done with 2100 calories (of only ice cream) before 4pm. So tomorrow I'm going to try and stack all the calories toward the end of the day - it feels a lot easier to suck it up earlier in the day than grappling for survival at dinner time! Also my wife ate roast lamb which truly sucked for me... it got so bad I even started craving pickles...

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robgray wrote:
Jimmy B. wrote:
Oh yes! Milkshakes made at home with a blender and some great ice cream.


ok the burger phase is now done, and I'm now in the 76kg-77kg phase of milkshakes, ice cream, sundaes and other dairy related evils. I did some short posts each day on the blog, and I added a playlist of the videos on youtube which almost accumulate a very short trainer ride duration now.

On my burger quests, I found a place that has a 2000 calorie milkshake which I simply cannot turn a blind eye to


seriously can you make the blog less useless my mimicking other peoples work of simply eating less, and throw some performance numbers up there in addition?
perhaps average run pace per week or bike watts
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From the newest issue of Triathlete.

Prove them wrong in Boulder, Rob!
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seriously can you make the blog less useless


For you, probably not. I think I have already achieved the pinnacle of uselessness.

synthetic wrote:
throw some performance numbers up there in addition? Perhaps average run pace per week or bike watts
avg run pace per week is not a useful performance metric. A useful measure would be FTP watts/kg for biking, and pace:HR for running - which I'm not going to see an increase or decrease within 10 days so I will do that maybe once every 6 weeks or so. What I do take note of in each phase is how I feel in my workouts, whether power or pace is dropping. During the burger phase I was doing the 9 day tour of Sufferlandria, which is much harder riding than I'm used to (every workout is pretty much at or above threshold). I managed to get through it, and I know I will get an FTP bump from that, regardless of what my diet was. But I'm sure that with my regular diet I would have been able to nail the workouts better.

But your question does raise an important point, that I for sure (in regular life) am guilty of:
- if your goal is to improve performance output (such as power), then your focus should be on how you fuel your workout efforts and recovery. Ideally you should be in slight caloric surplus. Me, and many others, are guilty of trying to improve performance without actually eating enough high quality food to fuel that process.
- if your goal is to lose weight (which will ultimately also lead to improved performance, indirectly through the watts/kg ratio) then accept the fact that your workouts are going to not be optimal in terms of output. This is the case even with "good" foods. The "bad" foods just make your workouts suck a bit more.

For those reasons, I periodize my diet to coincide with my training goals.
- During a weight loss phase, I'm NOT going to try and kill it in all my workouts. Which for Ironman type of training can actually be ok since a lot of the training is not actually super high on the RPE scale.
- But then in a key build phase of training, I'm going to ignore any weight loss effort, and focus on being in a slight surplus. Food becomes quite utilitarian in that i'm focusing on glycogen repletion and adequate nutrient intake.

Ok thanks, I'm going to go and do some 200m sprints to improve the key metric of average run pace per week.

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the 2 most critical parts of that article:

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But on a serious note, this junk food diet of mine is a terrible idea if your goals are health and wellbeing. But for pure unhealthy weight loss it could work, and is probably more fun than what Shelby Killion R.D. will advise

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, I'm NOT going to try and kill it in all my workouts. Which for Ironman type of training can actually be ok since a lot of the training is not actually super high on the RPE scale.

and this is the attractive feature to long distance racing to the masses... you just need to finish. which if anything diminishes the sport
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and this is the attractive feature to long distance racing to the masses... you just need to finish. which if anything diminishes the sport

yes let's hope I can finish my next Ironman under 17 hours - do you think I will make it?

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poutine. you may only need one per day :-)

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poutine. you may only need one per day :-)

No kidding! I bet it would be pretty easy to get 4000 calories in one sitting

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and this is the attractive feature to long distance racing to the masses... you just need to finish. which if anything diminishes the sport


yes let's hope I can finish my next Ironman under 17 hours - do you think I will make it?

you know, the sad thing is many people will view your blog who are these 11+ hour pedestrians, and say "look he eats like shit, finishes ironmans (not knowing your times), so he is fit... thus eating this way means I am fit as he is, as long as i do his race distances too"
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I usually like reading projects like this but I think reading this one would be like torture for me!

Can you give us a quick "Phase 1" summary? How have the energy levels been, working out on a diet of mostly burgers? As someone mentioned early on, burgers can be fairly healthy and satisfying hunger-wise, so I'm not surprised you ploughed through that phase reasonably quickly.

Doing the same with ice-cream and milkshakes is going to be a fair bit tougher I'd imagine!
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I usually like reading projects like this but I think reading this one would be like torture for me!

Can you give us a quick "Phase 1" summary? How have the energy levels been, working out on a diet of mostly burgers? As someone mentioned early on, burgers can be fairly healthy and satisfying hunger-wise, so I'm not surprised you ploughed through that phase reasonably quickly.

Doing the same with ice-cream and milkshakes is going to be a fair bit tougher I'd imagine!

The burger phase was pretty fun. I got to experience a lot of great burgers in a short space of time, which I wouldn't normally have done. I agree that on the whole the burgers are not too unhealthy. I tried to have fries with every burger, and those generally made me feel like crap. I noticed that I felt a lot better if I didn't eat fries, or if I made "healthy fries" by grilling hand cut sweet potatoes on the BBQ. But deep fried stuff... just gives me some nasty feelings. I could get through the days with not very much breakfast or lunch, then 1500+ calories at night. I found it easier to ignore hunger / cravings during the day than at night. So for me that actually worked out well, since it's kind of impractical (or a lot of work) to get or make a burger for breakfast.

The ice cream phase started as a disaster. I got through 2100 calories of ice cream by 4pm and then my wife made some roast lamb, and I had to sit there and be tortured by that amazing aroma, unable to eat anything since I was at my calorie limit for the day. Day 2 was much better because I trained after lunch, and backloaded the majority of the calories at the end of the day, so I wasn't really hungry at all. And it was fun to try out several new ice creams, mostly based on recommendations from fellow STers. So although ice cream phase got off to a very bad start, day 2 was a lot better.

Surprisingly, training energy has been great on both phases so far. Significantly better than something like a carb (and calorie) restricted diet, for example.

The number one thing I've learned so far, is around mindset. For weight loss, I used to have the mindset of trying to get away with as few calories as possible. This project has changed my mindset to try and get in as many calories as I can while still losing weight. The difference is remarkable just in terms of daily energy and workout energy, even though I'm eating terribly.

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robgray wrote:
boilerup wrote:
Salted caramel pretzel ice cream, Safeway brand :)


Ok, that is on the menu for tonight, although I had to go with Talenti as my local Safeway didn't have their own brand. Talenti is legit so I am excited!


What???! Talenti good, yes, but the Safeway brand of the above flavor is the bomb! I can convince myself to have a bowl after any long climbing ride!

I managed to find some. Wow you were not kidding - that stuff is awesome! Thanks for the great suggestion

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Pretty much anything covered in maple syrup - real maple syrup. Nothing ends my day better than a bowl of blue bell vanilla or coffee ice cream topped with maple syrup!


Try maple syrup on top of a bowl of snow. That's the best way to eat it IMO.

we just got snow in CO, so even though I'm on the pizza phase now, I've had this 2 days in a row. You're right this is legit!... Awesome post-workout! Thanks for the great recommendation - I'd never heard of it before

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Re: What's your favorite "vice" food? I'll eat it for race weight! [robgray] [ In reply to ]
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glad you're enjoying it!

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Chicago Mix popcorn = cheese + caramel at the same time

unbelievably delicious while you're eating it but basically a food hangover in a bag
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Re: What's your favorite "vice" food? I'll eat it for race weight! [robgray] [ In reply to ]
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Rob,

How are the beers treating you? Sounds miserable.

I took to your method and decided to eat a bunch of ice cream over the weekend (2 pints of Ben & Jerry's, and 5 Ben & Jerry's Pint Slices -- the new chocolate covered ice cream "bars"). Rode my highest ever 2x20 on the bike the day after a 15 miler. Ice cream is fuel for the soul.
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Re: What's your favorite "vice" food? I'll eat it for race weight! [TriowaCPA] [ In reply to ]
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TriowaCPA wrote:
Rob,

How are the beers treating you? Sounds miserable.

I took to your method and decided to eat a bunch of ice cream over the weekend (2 pints of Ben & Jerry's, and 5 Ben & Jerry's Pint Slices -- the new chocolate covered ice cream "bars"). Rode my highest ever 2x20 on the bike the day after a 15 miler. Ice cream is fuel for the soul.

Beer is a total FAIL. Today I'm modifying this phase to include brewed, but low or non alcoholic beverages. So stuff like Kombucha and Ginger Beer will be in - purely to get me through. It's actually been pretty eye-opening since usually I am just an occasional drinker - maybe a glass of red wine at dinner time and the occasional beer. But even just 3 beers at night totally screws me over. I wake up feeling terrible, most workouts suck (although I've had a few good ones), and in general my mood is not great at all. So beer was a bit of an outlier for this experiment - I knew it would be bad but I didn't think it would be THAT bad! I am REALLY REALLY looking forward to moving on to some donuts and cake...

I'm with you on the ice cream! For my next race I'm going to eat a pint (or two) of Ben and Jerry's the day before. And maybe a burger.

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Re: What's your favorite "vice" food? I'll eat it for race weight! [robgray] [ In reply to ]
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Give B&J's "Oat of this Swirled" a try. It's very similar to my personal favorite flavor at Baskin Robbins, Mama's Makin' Cookies.

Also, Sunday I had an affogato after seeing you do it during the ice cream phase. Life changing. Definitely going to be a regular post-workout reward now.

Doughnut phase would break me--I'd eat too many and never lose weight. Good luck!
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Do you think a different drink (e.g. the red wine) would leave you feeling as bad or is it the effect of alcohol in general (specially if you don't really drink much)?
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Scheherazade wrote:
Do you think a different drink (e.g. the red wine) would leave you feeling as bad or is it the effect of alcohol in general (specially if you don't really drink much)?

I think the main problem is the cumulative effect of the alcohol and the "rule" that I need to get most of my calories from that thing. So on a 2500 calorie day, even 1500 calories of red wine would be about 10-12 x 5oz glasses! I would struggle with anything above about 1200 calories, just because of the alcohol accumulation. What I should have done is just include alcohol with one of the other foods eg Burgers and red wine, pizza and beer etc.

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Re: What's your favorite "vice" food? I'll eat it for race weight! [robgray] [ In reply to ]
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Brownies do it for me.

Especially if they have a bag of chocolate chips mixed into them in the batter! get them when they are nice warm and soft right out of the oven and then put the rest in the fridge and the chocolate chunks harden again and become little nuggets of goodness the next time you eat them!
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Re: What's your favorite "vice" food? I'll eat it for race weight! [HonestYP] [ In reply to ]
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HonestYP wrote:
Brownies do it for me.

Especially if they have a bag of chocolate chips mixed into them in the batter! get them when they are nice warm and soft right out of the oven and then put the rest in the fridge and the chocolate chunks harden again and become little nuggets of goodness the next time you eat them!

Brownies are for sure in, once I unlock the next phase. All the good stuff: brownies, cakes, donuts, muffins, any random desserts too.

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I'm finally done with beer - what a cluster that was. Today is day 2 of cake/donuts/dessert. Yesterday was simply 6 donuts and a protein shake . Surprisingly today's workouts felt good. Maybe it's because I'm comparing them to a beer-fueled haze! Breakfast was two cheesecakes, which for me are about 7 x tastier than yesterday's donuts. Dinner will be another cheesecake and a red velvet bundt cake. In this phase (cakes/donuts/desserts) I have the flexibility to include some ice cream too (since it's a dessert), so I'll definitely try out the B&J you suggested!

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uhhhh.....cookies and icecream.....
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Re: What's your favorite "vice" food? I'll eat it for race weight! [robgray] [ In reply to ]
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Ingredients:
-White Bread (wheat just kills the entire flavor experiene here...)
-Tillimook Medium cheddar cheese (has to be the real thing...Lucerene cheese is --pretty decent too)
-Any kind of margarine or butter
-Lay's Sour Cream & Onion chips

Steps:
1) Make a grilled cheese sandwich with lots of cheese (more than you normally would if making one for your kid.
2) Upon pulling it from the pan, place on a plate, grab the 2 slices bread & pull apart exposing the cheese.
3) Pack in as many Frito Lay Sour Cream & Onion chips as you can (about 15 will do).
4) Put the sandwich back together, place spatula on top of sandwich & squish it down to compress the sandwich.

Enjoy!
No shortage of salt, carbs or fat in that one. But it's soooo yummy!
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Re: What's your favorite "vice" food? I'll eat it for race weight! [robgray] [ In reply to ]
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Are you one of those guys who can eat 800 cal and just got out on a run? Maybe its in the post somewhere but I didn't want to read all 6 pages. We have that guy on our masters group. The guy actually gained weight on a deca. You certainly have the iron stomach.

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Re: What's your favorite "vice" food? I'll eat it for race weight! [len] [ In reply to ]
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len wrote:
Are you one of those guys who can eat 800 cal and just got out on a run? Maybe its in the post somewhere but I didn't want to read all 6 pages. We have that guy on our masters group. The guy actually gained weight on a deca. You certainly have the iron stomach.

lol - no: me, food and running don't mix well. I can get in about 400-500 calories an hour during an IM as long as it's liquid and it's on the bike. On the run it's not much more than 200. I think it was Gordo or one of those guys who said they down a protein shake before a run just to get used to that crappy bloated sloshy feeling

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