I'm very excited to see the new lineup! Love me some Cervelos

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I'm curious if the market pressures Cervelo to get into disc brake road bikes. Not that I want one, but it will be interesting if they are forced to offer something to compete.

You haven't heard about the P6?

I don't know if you're joking, but I sort of assumed such a thing must be coming. We had the P5, S5, and R5. All three of them trickled down a bunch of tech into their respective 3s, which were then made with cheaper forks and turned into the 2s. That's been happening at the rate of a couple models per year. Now we have a 2, 3, and 5 of each of R, S, and P. I can't imagine they're going to sit on their hands next year. I wouldn't be surprised if a new model doesn't come until winter, but something has to be coming.

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this is funny to me because i just picked up a minty p2sl off the classifieds.
i'm going backwards, replacing my carbon bikes with Al.
anybody want a 2008 QR Caliente, size medium?

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That's funny to me. My last two have been steel -Salsa Fargo frameset and i just picked up a Black Mountain Cycles Road frameset. The one before that was a 2014 S3, however.

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Expect a MTN-Qhubeka team bike (although maybe not right away):

http://www.cervelo.com/...5-575cce90f1ea-0.pdf

i could be convinced to be satisfied with a new s3(or s2 ;-)
my other ride is a well used s1.
actually i got the p2sl so i could go fixed(horizontal dropouts FTW)

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Is there a chance they make changes to the P series, given the major updates last year?

I heard they're skipping the P6 and going straight to the P7-eleven.

That would surprise me.

Think about it this way:

The S2 is the SAME bike as the S3, just a "cheaper" fork.
The P2 is the SAME bike as the P3, just a "cheaper" fork.
The R2 is the SAME bike as the R3, just a "cheaper" fork.

Then you've got the P5 (long term R and D), R5 (long term R and D), S5 (long term R and D).

For each of those three "super bikes" you've had trickle down technology affect the development of the "lower" bikes. For the "entry" level bikes, you still have that tech just with a different fork. All of the developments over the past year or so have cost Cervelo relatively little money yet they get a new price point structure and model lineup using mostly existing molds and technology.

This is all just speculation, I have no "insider" information. That being said, if a P5 update comes out in the next 8-12 months I'm gonna be pissed that I have to spend more money.

One has to wonder what sort of gains are still on the table for something like the P5. I could see them retooling it slightly to help it at yaw or perhaps coming out with a few "integrated" accessories ala the Shiv's fuel cell.

IMO, the next frontier for "super bikes" will be rider comfort.

I agree. Bikes are hitting the point now where I'm not sure how much more drag can be reduced. Engineers will always find a way to shed more drag but I don't think it will be significant like the gains from old bikes to new super bikes. Accessories, comfort, hydration, etc is the next frontier

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I do wonder if there Cervelo is going to replace the P5 with a new bike also called a P5, instead of a P6. They may keep the top bike in a series the 5, then have the 3 and 2 be derivatives of that design, with the 2 having a cheaper fork.

I agree, I think fit and comfort is the next frontier. You are starting to see this in the road bike lineups like the Specialized Tarmac which have different fits and ride characteristics across the size lineup.

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Considering the P2 and P3 were just updated...there is no way this happens for at least a couple of years

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The next step is eliminating the drive train.

But kind of seriously:

I would love to see a disc with an internal Shimano Alfine Di2 hub (so no RD and no cassette) with a belt drivetrain and a single chainring up front (no FD). Would be pretty sweet. Would clean up the drive-side drag profile a bit perhaps.

Integrated the gearbox into the frame like this would given broader compatibility with existing wheels. The only problem is that planetary gearboxes (I'm 90% sure that's what most hub gearboxes are) are less efficient to the point that I highly doubt aero benefits could overcome this deficit. Let's say current setups are, on average, 97% efficient when averaging all the gear combinations. So 300w at the crank becomes 291w at the wheel. IIRC, Rohloff has the most efficient hubs on the market and their efficiency ranges from 90% to 98%. Call it 95% average. You have to now take into account a chain with a straight line connecting the hub to the crank so say 99%. So you're looking at 94% efficiency. 300w crank becomes 282w at the wheel or a 9w deficit to a conventional drivetrain. I highly doubt you're going to pick up 9w aero... actually I know you won't just looking at the yaw sweeps on bikes like the Speed Concept/existing P5.

That said, I still think it's a cool idea. One workaround would be mounting the crank directly to rear wheel, basically turning the rear dropouts into a bottom bracket. You'd have to use a through axle (which I'm in favor of anyways) and the wheel would have to be proprietary but it would help with weight distribution and maybe allow for a few cool aero tricks.

I believe that those Rohloff numbers are the crank to wheel effeciency, this is because one of the gear ratios in the middle locks the gears in place. In this ratio the hub is no different than a normal hub and there is no power losse from the gears, because they are not moving relative to eachother. This is probably where the 98% efficient part is, it is less efficient on either end of that ratio. God help you if you are getting 90% efficiency during a climb though, because then someone on a normal drivetrain putting out 278 watts will be getting the same power to a wheel as you at 300.

You realise that the P5 already has the widest fit range among super bikes? And already has class leading comfort.

Tarmac differential layups are not a new concept. And the fit range of the Tarmac is still weak. The big move on the comfort front is frames fitting larger tyres.

The P5 and Trek SC do fit a very wide range of people. The comment was a more general where are bikes going type of comment. Fitting wider tires is one of those trends (see the new R2).

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I would guess that weight will be the new aero for a lot of these superbikes.

They might not be able to make significant aero gains from this point on, but many of these bikes could go on a serious diet.

"Just as aero as a P5 but three pounds lighter" is a great marketing campaign, whether or not it has real performance benefits.

Hello; i just picked up a 2014 P3 a couple weeks ago.
So far I am loving the bike...but i would be super jealous if the 2015 P3's came in solid black.

White is not my first choice of bike color...but the bike looks great in my opinion. Only thing is that the matte white is not the easiest to clean...heh

never ever put the drive side up against the lounge....
you will never be forgiven if you get a greasy chainring imprint on the fabric.... just not worth the grief.

+ 1 re P3.
have had mine now for 8 weeks and still get excited when riding it. Di2 incl brakes/shifters, Shimano Crank/Stages PM. Reynold Assault wheelset....
can't wait fr the Queen K.

I can see the sense in what Cervelo has done, but to me, when it was privately owned, there was a love, a connection, a drive to be the best. Now, every so slowly, they seem to be (like the company I work for) a business, that happens to do X.

I suspect Damon will argue the point and he's probably half right, but to me, for any product like bikes, there is a range of markets.

In a tri bike for example, I see at least 3 bikes that can be built (per geometry). Entry level, mid market and super bike. While the P2/2K/1 had room for improvement, I think it grew well from leading edge when it was introduced, to the entry bike at the end. The original P3 by comparison was a great superbike at the time. I mean, everyone at the pointy end of races I did or watched, had a P3! Different groupsets covered the spectrum well and the geometry spectrum as well.

Now, with the P2 being a P3 with fork change, I don't really see the spread. I haven't checked the geometry difference, but the P5, as desirable as it is, doesn't really flesh out the price or geometry continuum well enough.

Cervelo has two ranges of road bikes, certainly they need 2 types of tri bikes, like they used to?

I'm no businessman but for tri I'd see two frames, covering long or tall geometry and in each range, out of the same mould, a budget carbon version, cheap fork and say 105 on it. Then the same budget carbon but killer aero fork, and maybe mechanical DA or electronic Ultegra, then for the superbike version, unobtanium carbon, killer fork, electronic DA and sweet as bars etc.

Any bike has to have a groupset so that's easy to tweak. Any mould can have different carbon an layup, so mix and match to suit at least 3 price points per mould. Easy as.

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very beautiful bicycle, i will share it on my facebook
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I was told by a retailer, that there is a new partnership between Hed and Cervelo. Dealers are rejoicing since they were often left with low-end, take-off wheelsets they couldn't sell.

But, I can only imagine this will creep the price up.

I was not talking about timing, I was just saying that the P5 will not be replaced by a P6, but maybe a new P5.

The S5 is now long in the tooth and it's clear that the Garmin Sharp riders almost always pick the S3 over the S5. Therefore I think the most likely new model is one that brings the innovations of the S3 (larger headtube bearings, wider and stiffer downtube, reshaped seatstays) to the S5 level bike, whether as model modification or replacement. This or a lighter version of the S3. One of these is at least what I'm holding out for.... In contrast the R5 was already new this model year so no changes should be expected there.

Are you seeing sale prices due to expected change or time of year?

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thanks for the advice!
you must be married as well and understand the consequences....as my wife can go from zero to critical meltdown fairly quickly...heh

Can't wait for everyone complaining how ugly the color schemes are!

You really think they're just going to stand pat for "at least a couple of years"?

No one can afford to do that.

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I never understood why Cervelo never followed through with a CX frame. There was a one-off prototype many years ago...

I think Cervelo is going to have to start bringing their superbike to the masses. First Trek started with the SC 7.5. It's the same bike as the 9-series with a lesser grade carbon which makes it a little heavier. It's also about half the cost of a 9.9. It looks like Felt is doing it with their new bikes announced this week.

I think the next frontier is integration simplicity. Again, Trek simplified the integrated front end with the new SC, making it easier to make small adjustments. People love superbikes but hate working on them, so I'd suspect (and hope) that trend continues.

Agreed 100% with you

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I think cervelo agrees with you. The p5-3 and p3/2 essentially do what you're talking about. Simple forks, brakes, and almost as fast as the p5-6

Yeah, but the p5-3 and p3/2 don't have integrated front ends. The Speed Concept 7.5 does, and they made changes with the new speed concept to make it easier to work on the bike. (For the record, I'm referring to the SC not to imply that it's a superior bike, but because I own one and it's what I know.)

Also, from a marketing perspective, the lower versions of the Cervelo p-series don't have the "wow factor" that a bike that looked like the p5-6, but with lower quality carbon, mechanical brakes, etc. You could put a SC 9.9 next to a 7.5 and unless you knew the paint schemes apart from each other, you'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference. That's where I think tri bikes are going in the next few years. Only a small handful of people can afford a $10,000 superbike, but a much, much larger number can afford a $3000-$5000 bike (not that that's cheap, but it's certainly cheaper that $10k). There's a risk of brand dilution by mimicking a ultra high-end bike with your middle of the road models, and it's something that the auto industry learned the hard way, but I don't think SC 9.9 owners feel that their product has been "cheapened" by the introduction of a fully integrated 7.5.

Not to hijack this thread or anything, but what kind of bike do you have?

See, that's the great thing though, they made a fast bike without an integrated front end. I think many people in the market don't see a front end as a big selling point.

I think we may just have to agree to disagree. I think cervelo has proven to have one of the fastest bikes on the p5-3 at a competitive price, that's easy to work on. And as best as we can tell, the p3 is barely slower.

I saw way more nP3's than total speed concepts of any kind at the tremblant half this year.

It's a large part of the reason I have an NP3. Slap a Magura or Omega on the nose and you're fine. Way less hassle, and it'll be a long, long time before I feel the bike is limiting me!

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And add an exponentially higher drivetrain friction which resultant losses would prevent any aero benefit from being utilized unless you were coasting down a steep hill.
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agree with this. Im coming from a P2 and when looking at a new bike, how can you go past the cleaner lines of the SC? Integrated, hidden cables etc, it just *looks* like a superbike. And for slightly cheaper than the p3 as well.

I'm sure that's true. Cervelo had over twice as many bikes at Kona than Trek did (Source: Lava Magazine)
For the record, I love Cervelos (both tri and road bikes). I think they're beautiful and I'm sure they have amazing performance. I actually did a double take the other day as I was walking by a multisport store that had a p3 in the window. I just happen to own a Trek. It fit well, I got a good price and I had/have a really great relationship with my Trek dealer which is half a block from my apartment.

Cervelo's been an immensely popular brand amongst triathletes for a long time. In order to stay as arguably the most popular bike brand in the sport, companies need to keep innovating to fend off competition. That's why I think Cervelo should trickle down more of their technology from the p5-6 to their lower models. I'd bet that the p5-3 stays largely unchanged in its next iteration because it's basically the UCI-legal sister of the p5-6; not an inferior version of the p5-6.

Maybe I'm wrong (wouldn't be the first time), but it appears that this is a trend in the industry. First trek introduced the 2014 SC 7.5 and then more recently Felt announced the new, cheaper IAs. We'll see if Cervelo continues that trend, or starts a new trend.

At some point, I could see Cervelo update the S3's cable routing. Damon said they kept down tube cable routing for the 2014 model because it was less costly. Enough people asked about it, so we might see a change there.

I thought that Cervelo was eliminating the "model year" structure for new product launches?

http://www.bike-eu.com/...r-Strategy-1266895W/

The 2015 P3 will be all black. The P5 is red, P2 stays same color but goes 11 speed. I was at a shop and was shown the catalog.

I recall the same thing about Ironman CDA.

On another note, I did see 3 Dimonds. Volunteer for T1 bike handler. Free reign of all the bikes :)

curiously are they a matte colour still? im a gloss fan :D

I only saw it briefly, but I would say the black was matted.

Here is what your 2014 p3 looks like in black

the dream is dead! Womp womp

I do like the white/black/red color scheme, but the stealth black is just cool! Did you paint it?

Is that the 3T/Cervelo Aduro??

Ya, looking at end 2014 stock sales ahead of the 2015s - so wondering if there are any material differences between the 2014s and 2015s. The particular LBS I was at happens to sell Cervelo. Ditching my P2 for an aero road machine, S2 or S3. The other LBS I have loyalties with can also set me up on a Propel.

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I chose my Propel Advanced 2 over the new S3 given the standard componentry and greater stiffness on the Giant. I'm no Marcel Kittel, but I feel pretty fast :)

Doh...i am already jealous. I was a tad hesitant to buy the 2014 P3 because it was white...but wanted to start training asap.

Does anyone have pictures of the 2015 P3?

Can't say that I do, but I have seen a photo of the 2015 P5. It's, uh, interesting...

Lots of red right? I didn't care for it very much.

That's the one! Caught me a bit off guard at first considering how great the current P5 looks.

The P3 on the other hand, all black is another story. I want to go back to the store and take a second look.

Any idea when these become public??

No idea. But I wonder too, when they go public and when they are available in stores.

What stem is on that stealthy?

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Looks like 3T Aduro bar/stem combo.

This. And I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion around it. G-S have clearly been riding the P5 for TTs, but it was way evident that the S3 and R3 were by far preferred over the S5 and R5 during the Tour. I suppose it all depends on which camera is on which rider at which time, but I though the bike choices overall were odd given the supposed strengths of each model.

yep that is a 3t Aduro bar and stem from a P5 with Hydraulic brakes. I painted the frame, fork, post, bar and stem. It is actually a P2 but it is hard to tell the difference these days between models.

That looks very cool. Do you have more images you could share?

sorry this is one that I did not take many pictures of and had to get one from the owner.

gulp

da fuq?!!!

Aduro bar doesnt really work with the frame colour wise - same as the seat post. Trying to match up their bikes with the lower quarter whited out? P3 now looks gloss too...cervelo seem to have trouble nailing the colours at times. Call me biased, but my black/red 2012 P2 was one of their better attempts, albeit simple

That P5 is so UGLY. What in the world were they thinking!

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Out of curiosity where did you get these from? While I'm sure everyone will comment on the atrocity that is the P5 (I'll hold my opinion till I see it in person) I'm curious if there are any details on a new S5.

Someone should tell the graphic designer that the chainstays are one of the dirtiest places on the bike and having them white is really daft.

did the store owner share a possible release date?

Every year Cervelo releases new color schemes and every year people say they are ugly and yet every triathlon you go to they are still the most popular brand :)

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I am slightly biased, but I think that my 2013 P3 Classic nailed the paint job.

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The fact that a lot of people are willing to buy a great bike despite the paint scheme is nothing new. The schemes are better than they were when the P4 was first released, and the S5, I will say that. I do like how my NP3 looks. These new shots above... who the HELL would put a bunch of white on the BOTTOM of the bike, near the greasy, filthy road, right next to the drivetrain, and where it's hard to clean? If anything, make the top tube white...

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Red does not look good....wtf !!!!!

I really think Cervelo is pulling one over on us with that new P5 color. I just cant fathom their team sitting in a room and collectively deciding on that color scheme with that Auduro Bar. I have owned maybe 15 Cervelos in the last 5 years and have always thought their paint colors/combos were great. I was ready to unload my P5s and get the new 2015s until I saw the color with that Aduro bar....it is that bad. I really hope this is some sick joke

http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/cervelo-r-p-and-s-series-2015-gallery-42043/


Lots of pics to complain about Cervelo's crappy paint jobs.

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I wish Cervelo would just leave the frames unpainted so that we can at least have a chance at coloring it better with White-Out and Magic Markers.

Did anyone else catch the mention of a new bike at Eurosport at the end of that article??

New S5 coming IMO

seems they are rolling with HED now.

The r5 looks like it just scammed a top tube from ebay and threw it on....the R2 and R3 look ok, because its simple. S2 and S3 look good

It said something new. Not necessarily a new bike. But I like you guess.

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I won't need to worry about getting requests to replicate those paint schemes. Truly ugly.

Ok, silly question: What exactly does one do with 3 new bikes per year? That's like a new one every four months.

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Link to Cervelo R, P and S-series 2015 - gallery


http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/cervelo-r-p-and-s-series-2015-gallery-42043/

Hey I would love to buy a new bike every 4 months. I just don't get having multiple P5s and then selling them to get a new P5!

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I travel quite a bit for work and keep a few bikes in locations where I travel frequently. I am also a sucker for new toys and turn all my stuff every year.

Would really love to see bike companies move away from different iterations of black, white and red. Still, I guess it keeps you busy!

Well I was really put off by the red job, but once you out deep wheels on it it's actually acceptable.

I love my P5-Six but the new 2015 colour scheme is making me gag!

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Man! I love their bikes, but those paint schemes are Fugly! Holy crap. What the heck are they thinking???!!!

You spend that kind of money on a bike and you BETTER like the way it looks.

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It doesn't matter how many different colors you offer a bike in, someone...maybe even many someones...will still complain about it.

Not only that, but if a company offers more than one color, then the dealer becomes responsible for keeping more inventory. Even though the dealer can readily order basically any color/size that's in-stock, many customers hold an expectation that every size/color combination should be available for them to choose from on the sales floor. It is frustrating to get bitched at by the customer and have to stand there and take it as a "representative of the store/bike company" knowing that I have no control over purchasing/demand planning/color scheming. It's irrational, and sometimes they even recognize that, but I'd say that giving people options just isn't always a good thing. That said, I feel like Cervelo would do well with a program similar to project one....

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Yeah, but if EVERYONE complains about it, you've probably screwed up.

Yeah, they peaked with the 2013 P2 and P3. The black and red P2 was pretty nice too.

The red P5 is just awful.

These new colors...nothing is official, isn't this just speculation until released?

I highly doubt that. People have mentioned seeing catalogs and now the pictures have come out.

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My 2014 P3 never felt so beautiful!

I don't these are Official at all. Someone out there may have just photo-shopped/edited the images with some really bad paint scheme.

Hah! No.

I was going to be buying a P5 next spring (I'm a big fan of red bikes too) but that P5 is just hideous. Guess I'll be looking for a used one instead...

I'm actually really looking forward to the red, if indeed that is the color for 2015 (can't confirm or deny). Along with others on the forum, I've never been crazy about some of Cervelo's color choices, however the current P3 and "next year's P5" (allegedly) are pretty sharp.

You can still buy the current color FYI.

Unless Cervelo went through the trouble of inviting bike shops to their new model demos and handing out brochures with with fake paint jobs, then I'm afraid these are 100% correct. I've seen that brochure and everything looks exactly as you see it on Bike Radar.

I guess I am the minority here, I could care less what color my bike is. I just want me bike times to get lower. That's all that REALLY matters.

Did you hear any more news with regards to p5. Seeing some great offers from some retailers on them

Well go ahead and care less.

It is not the red on the frame that is bad, it is the fact they kept the Aduro bar the same. My assumption is they had a bunch of Aduros sitting around and wanted to use them up. I am hoping that there will be a mid year paint change on the Aduro so that it matches the frame just liked when they moved from a glossy to matte finish on the bars a few years back. It just looks terrible the way it is.

I salute you and your taste, my good man!

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Interestingly, modern super bikes appear to be hitting a drag plateau where not a lot (yes there's still some room for improvement in double diamond bikes, but not much) of drag reduction is possible, certainly not without buckets of cash.

However, I don't really see that it's actually had a huge impact. I'm sure the ST trainspotters will pick apart my argument, but I don't see enough difference in race times from A) the early days of B) recent-ish race times, to justify spending much more money on improving bikes.

I mean, if you look at race times on a now ancient original ali Cervelo P3, with the times guys are doing on P5/6's, it's not as much as I for one would like/expect. I get the feeling we've nearly reached the "point of futility" in tri bike design and chasing aero gains. Sticking with double diamond bikes, I'm not sure where we can go from here.

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I'm beginning to think Cervelo just are using up they're Crayola crayons they had left over from when their art department tried to come up with a color scheme, got frustrated & just said, "Boys, let's just melt these suckers...spray it on & call it good!" Next!

Well, "Prototype" models are not uncommon in product launches to make a statement or to bring attention to certain features, but this looks more like an unfinished bike because they were not ready for the launch. Perhaps one of the reasons why they are dropping the model year program. I would not be surprised to see things change up a little before an official launch.

I actually think they are onto something with the horizontal scheme, but their current iteration is a tad awkward and out of balance.

Somewhat in cervelos defense, it appears, if you look closely, that they extended the black from the bars along the top tube of the bike. From the head tube to the seat tube. Which would give it three different "zones" or something - the very top is all black (assuming a black saddle), middle is red and the very bottom is white.

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Honestly I kinda like the matte red. I just think the aduro doesn't match at all and maybe was an afterthought. If they just matte out the bar and add a splash of the same matte red in there I think it's a cool bike.

Definitely a unique paint scheme, I'd say. Props to Cervelo for at least trying something different outside of the industry trend!

I agree. It may be a shock to the eyes but it's the aerobar that is making it look weird. Repaint the aerobar and the bike looks awesome.

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I dunno, i like black so I still like the scheme.
it does suck that the white parts are on the dirtiest parts of the bike though.

OMG these are Fugly looking bikes, I would never ever buy one of these. Regardless if they are great bikes or not. That red is atrocious. If I owned a reputable company like Cervelo I would want the result of my R&D, engineering and design processes to also look great in addition to being highly functional.

It's not the colours. It's how bad they look and the designs they come up with so in a way you are right.

I'm looking into the P3. I'm told new color coming out in October. Dark gray, looks black in picture with white matte on bottom. Looks beautiful !

Cervelo's Graphic Designer did a great job with Dave Mirra's custom painted P5. The question is why didn't they use this paint scheme for mass production instead of the ugly red/white combination.

http://lavamagazine.com/...p-mont-tremblant-qc/

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Hot damn!

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The solid color scheme would be awesome if done in any color but all black. The all black look is pretty meh.

Actually take the color scheme that was just posted and replace the matte black by matte red, replace glossy black by matte black (and make the stripes on seatstay black also) and it's a great paint scheme.

is that an enve sticker on a super 9 disc?

yup

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the horror!

The best color scheme on a Cervelo I have ever seen. Perfect.

I'm over the whole "everything blacked out" color scheme. I've never understood it. Dave's bike looks awesome though

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I hope the P7 is a beam bike!!! Damon....get on it! Forget about this UCI compliant stuff...you guys know that we triathletes are the bulk of the market anyway.

Hi hows the ride because right now i an choosing what to get p3 or p5. Really need great infos :) thank you so much ;)

can someone confirm a new color scheme?

teampeewee wrote:

Hi hows the ride because right now i an choosing what to get p3 or p5. Really need great infos :) thank you so much ;)

I got the P3 Ultegra for many reasons:

1. I am an engineer (at least originally) in my professional life. I didn't want hydraulic brakes nor Di2 because I prefer to see more field deployment of products and all the incremental refinements that come with that. I still see too many field failures of both from peers. Neither of these would qualify for mission/flight critical reliability for Aerospace (yes, my standard is a bit high). I wanted conventional braking and conventional mechanical shifting that have millions of hours in field deployment. Less hassle
2. the P3 uses stock components. When I travel, I can get any part from a shop and fix myself
3. It was easy to swap out the Cervelo provided cockpit for the one I wanted.
4. P3 is "almost as aero" as P5....my position is the bigger problem
5. P3 is less hassle to pack in my bike bag. I travel with it around 3-8x per year. I want something that I don't need to baby
6. After the fact, I cound out that the P3 uses standard headset bearing that I can get in pretty well any bike shop (I managed to crush one in re assembly....my fault).

Dev

Dev,

Hydraulic brakes may be "new" on road/tri bikes, but the basic technology for hydraulic brakes on bikes has been around for a LOOOONG time now.
My wife has Magura hydraulic rim brakes on her old '96 ProFlex Beast mtb, and they still work well.
(the XTR disk brakes on my new mtb are insanely good. Literally 1-finger braking, w/ oodles of stopping power. It feels like cheating.)


The Magura hydraulic brakes on my P5 are AMAZEBALLS.
Granted, it's only n=1, but I've had zero issues whatsoever with them to date.
I can certainly see how having regular brakes is 'better' for travelling, just in case there's any issues, since replacement parts are readily available almost everywhere.

Also agree about DI2 - seeing people stuck on the side of the road because their bike won't shift at all, is a dealbreaker on that.

At least if cable shifting goes south, there are lots of ways to MacGuyver a fix to at least get you back home.
And get replacement parts to fix it easily and cheaply.

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Best advice on ST

Even with an issue here or there, I have yet to talk to a person with Di2 that does not LOVE it.

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Yeah, it's mainly the part in bold. My "use case" is not totally the same as most age groupers given my race schedule. But my race schedule is the delta between my VW Jetta and the Audi A6 that I chose not to get...would rather give my money to Airlines, hotels, WTC and Cervelo :-)

Dear Dev - I would like to hear your considered views...

All else being equal (fit, position, etc.) do you think the P3 is an improvement / upgrade over the Slice?

ie - do you think you are faster / "bought some speed" getting the P3 from the Slice?

(Current Slice owner thinking of "upgrading" to a new frame)

Did anyone see the cervelo tweet today? New colors seem to be true

How much do you charge for that paint job? Looks awesome!

I like the P3, the P5 not so much. The P2 paint job continues to look like shit.

Hey Dev,

What cockpit did you select? Any thoughts about Zipp Alimina on that frame?

Scott

the red looks sweet in person, the photos do not do it justice

I've been running di2 for 2 years and the only problem I had, one time, was a low battery because I didn't' charge it. Otherwise it has been flawless and I wouldn't have anything else. Benefit is I don't have to be concerned about cable stretch or slippage. Shifters on the brakes are nice as well.