It seems that there is a mass of people leaving triathlete are they going to continue the magazine or are they planning on going in a different direction?

Are you going to pick up a writing gig at one of the other magazines, or maybe on here? =]

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As I'm sure many here will say, I always enjoyed reading your article. Many times, its the first thing I flip to when I pick up that magazine. Thanks for sharing all of your thoughts, and for giving a unique perspective to our sport. I hope we find your writings again sometime.

All the best.

Jon

 
I have no insight into corporate strategy with magazine. There are still some very fine people working there and I wish them the best.
I will be writing on a more regular basis (weekly) for CBSNEWS.COM/sports and hope to land somewhere in the multisport arena as well.

My wife, who really doesn't get or like this triathlon racing sporting endeavour, tells me each month how much she enjoys reading your column.

She'll be dissappointed and so will I.

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Thanks for the great articles. They'll be sorely missed. Keep ST posted on where you head next.

 

Your column was the only reason I read that magazine. Thanks!

Scott - Thanks for 23 years of articles. Not sure if you remember your first one - March 1987 issue. "Why I'm a Triathlete" - (or, overcoming Little League failure).

My favorite line of yours in the article - "For some reason, this sport offers a feeling of accomplishment and self-worth that doesn't come after a set of tennis or a round of golf."

Still very true 23 years later. Z

I have really enjoyed your column over the years. So here's an idea for the ST posse: how about a regular Tinley column on Slowtwitch???

Scott, what about a monthly column right here on Slowtwitch. ST = ST. I got into this sport in 85 when you were winning Kona!

Herbert....can you make it happen?

This will be my 18th season; 18 years X 12 months of reading Tinley first. I have often wondered why other magazines just didn't get it like Triathlete did. Having your stories in the back always got me to look at the whole mag from back to front and really read everything.

Now RIP. Bad move.

Wow.

Thanks for all the inspiration and for the memories.

Totally argee; come to Slwotwitch. We would be honored to have you.

Stindiana
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ST,

Sorry to hear about this.

Whenever I would get my copy of Triathlete there are three things I would check/read

- Your column
- Position of the Nineteen ad( just to check they did not put it in upside down!)
- Roch & Paul's "Ask the Coach" Column( for the jokes and the laughs)

Thanks. I really enjoyed reading your stuff.

My suggestion - you should be blogging. You have so many great stories to tell and you tell them in a wonderful way.

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I second Dev's idea...

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As others have written, your column was the only thing I read every month in Triathlete. Went straight to the back page when I looked at the mag at the newsstand.

Did you get an offer to move the column to Inside Triathlon? That would seem to be a great fit.

ST on Slowtwitch!!!

I will definitely miss your column. Good luck to you in future endeavors.

Support Crew

Scott, sorry to hear this. I'm also a veteran of many years in the sport, and remember running with Welchie and the gang one early morning to your doorstep in an attempt to wake you up, only to have you opening the door as we arrived. Thank God I had my Tinley running shorts on that day! You have brought lots of memories, fun and passion to the sport. I always admired how you, even above many of the other stars of your day, gave back in an immense way. Appearing at races for no fee to keep it going, and other ways you lead by example. I know you are not done in this arena, so please keep us posted as to the next chapter in the saga. You are a gift to us all, and we want to keep opening that gift.
Be well, and keep us mentally stimulated by your intriguing adventures and musings.

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That is too bad. It was one of the very few parts of the magazine that still made it worth picking up for me. I still fondly remember those giant blow-up-tinley's at the bud light series (they were over 20 ft tall, werent they?), and still have a pair of tinley jammers with an obnoxious color pattern that I love, and my wife hates.

Good times. Thanks for those.

Stephen J

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First thing I ever did when I got the magazine was look at your article. I have many times even quoted what you have written to friends, this is sad indeed.
Good luck and hopefully we will see you writing elsewhere in the future..:-)

I have many times even quoted what you have written to friends, this is sad indeed.

With apologies to Scott, the problem with quoting ST to many modern triathletes is that many of these folks don't have a clue who Scott Tinley is! Which is sad and unfortunate, because he is one of the true pioneers in the sport in many different ways and, in my view( and his writing really brings this out) represents the soul of the sport and why we should be doing this in the first place.

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Tinley was nice enough to come over to an unknown little race in Roth, put up with a crowd of adoring Germans during the pre-race days, be wonderful about the whole thing - and still put on a show vs. Aschmoneit.

Never will forget the whole episode, thanks Scott.

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ST,

As you well know you are my point of origin for this sport and I want to thank you for all that guidance. My entire first year was under your direct tutelage and following that there have been the nuggets of gold that you continue to pass down over the last decade. Many of those were in your column. I'll miss that and will now have to settle on the bits of wisdom you share in line up at the R. See you there.

Ian

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Thanks for your column! Looking forward to reading, where ever you land. Always the first page I turned to.
Rick

That sucks. IT was the only part of the magazine that I actually looked forward to reading.

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thats a dismal decision

a good reason for me not to resubscribe,

sincere thanks for the soulful insight and inspiration and comedy ... so many highlights for me ... quotable, thought provoking and amusing

definately one of my favorite writers

can we at least hope for a giant Tinely Talks compendium ?

Please let us know where you end up. Like many, I start with Tinley Talks and read the mag backwards. The dumbing down of america continues.

Scott,
As someone who has every issue of Triathlete from the first issue in 1983, your insight will be missed. I realize that business moves on but part of what will help this sport continue to move forward to the next 30 years is honoring and respecting the athletes that took the sport to this point and allowed this group to take over the magazines as a viable enterprise.
Athletes such as Dave Scott, Mark Allen, Scott Molina, and yourself among others are the reason that races fill in hours. Your insight as a former elite athlete as well as your background as sports in our culture made our sport as much intellectual as well as physical. Thank you for your writing and look forward to seeing your writing in future multisport publications.

Scott, this is terrible. I always look forward to reading your articles! I have been wondering if it is worth keeping all the tri magazines I pay for. What really hit me is when I found 10 years of them in super heavy boxes, and have decided to get rid of them. Such a waste of resources. ST always has the best training inputs anyways.

Dave

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Loved TT.

Wanna write a column for our website?
We can give you equity! :)

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Scott - You should put all of your Tinley Talks articles from the past 23 years into a book. Would be a wonderful way to give athletes insight into 23 years of triathlon history, knowlegde and commentary. Z

I must be the only reader of both triathlete and slowtwitch that thinks your writing was senseless dribble and a struggle to read.

However, I do hope you find another venue for your work as it is very popular and there are a lot of people who enjoy reading it.

"I must be the only reader of both triathlete and slowtwitch that thinks your writing was senseless dribble and a struggle to read. "

Even if true, it still put that column miles ahead of 90% of the rest of that mag.

Scott, sad to hear. I quit subscribing to Triathlete about a year ago because your column and Ask the Coach were about the only original material left in it. They were really the only 2 things worth reading on a regular basis. Now, they might as well just start re-releasing old issues with new covers.

I must be the only reader of both triathlete and slowtwitch that thinks your writing was senseless dribble and a struggle to read.

As soon as I saw your name on this thread I knew you would write something like this.

Most people have discretion, it allows us to pick and choose comments but you seem not to have that. Why don't you just keep some of your opinions to yourself and leave it at that?

Nah, it's ST dammit.

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One of the reasons some people may not have liked Tinley talks is becasue it goes a bit into more of the purity of the sport of triathlon and sport in general. The reason athletes gravitated to triathlon is because of the challenge to push their body to heights they thought may not be possible(ordinary people doing extraordinary things) This had nothing to do with pirchases of the latest and greatest item to make them faster but to use these items to push tehmselves. These athletes of the early day did the 100/100 challenge every day of their athletic lives. They knew what itr was like to race for no awards but who was buying pizza, and beer. They knew that it still was a matter of legs and lungs and were willing to put it on the line for the purity of sport. Well things move forward and athletes like the Tinley certainly deserved to be paid for racing because they were professional athletes in the truest sense. I am so glad that I was part of the sport during it's beginnings. racing was more friendly then. My wife and I met some of our closest friends during that time and traveled the country racing. while I enjoy racing today it is much different. Maybe Tinley is old school in his thoughts but he always remained true to himself and the sport of triathlon.

Well said. You nailed it.

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So now we have to write only agreeable things? I don't like his writing, big deal. Some people do, others don't.

But I do hope he finds another venue for it as some people really enjoy it. You must have missed reading that part of my initial post.

Right on Z. Where do we pre-order?

So now we have to write only agreeable things? I don't like his writing, big deal. Some people do, others don't.

I have no problem with people who don't like his writing, but is it really necessary to call it senseless dribble?

That's the part where discretion comes in handy.

ROFL.

And this is why we should not fault you for your opinion, its not PC to pick on the intellectually disadvantaged, somebody get this guy some graham crackers and put on spongebob.

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Well, I may not have been any help to their bottom line, as I mostly read Triathlete at the bookstore/coffee shop I frequent. I can tell you that if there was a new issue, and I was time-limited, I would quick-check the monthly contents (for the next time), and then read your column. Thanks for years of contribution to that mag.

This had nothing to do with pirchases of the latest and greatest item to make them faster but to use these items to push tehmselves.//

Dont kid yourself, we were into the latest new gadget as the next guy. And Tinley was the king of the weight weenies. He used more light shit that would break that anyone then, or since..He was obsessed with the scale his bike sat on, and the rest of us were always looking for the latest edge..Only thing back then was that the latest thing was really big usually..First wetsuit, first aero bar, shoe laces, disc wheels, aero wheels,clipless pedals, ect...These days it is all about variations and small improvements on these items, but just imagine the advent of the actual item, and being the first to get it..That was huge....

My take on this whole saga and the jumping of the ship of the old Triathlete crew is, we can say RIP Triathlete mag, you were once great, mostly ok, and now have lost touch with your sport and the worlds advancements in media...And all those that left will land on their feet, and most likely keep all our interests in whatever ventures they pursue..Good luck all and keep us in the loop here...

Now see, ST would know that what you were going for here is "senseless drivel".

drivel, dribble........whatever. His writing, in my opinion, was horrible.

You people can continue to enjoy it all you want.

Golly, yer right Monty. I'd forgotton how big shoelaces were when we no longer had to tie them.

That's right, everything was so very new.

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There was some good shit in those stories.

I'll keep reading ...

JR

PS- Send me a signed copy of your latest book. I'll pay you later. I'm coming out there soon.

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I'm still measuring myself by the column "If You're Really a Triathlete..." from about December 1987. Do not go gently, ST. Find another place to write and let us know where that is as soon as you land.

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Well I was like 6 when you started writing but I read everyone of your columns since the first issue of Triathlete I picked up. And wherever you're writing next I'll read that too.

I don't think you'd have trouble finding people to agree with your opinion. It's probably more an issue of stating that opinion in the context of this post.

When someone you never liked dies, do you go to the funeral and tell everyone you always thought he was a jerk?

Monty,
The original elite group of triathletes which you are included certainly pushed the envelope with equipment but what I meant was there is a certain chase to perfection of that time much like Pre was in track. The athletes were motivated by the competition which ultimately led to paydays but salaries and prize money was low. My point is that for a sport to grow the heroes of the past need to be honored not kicked to the curb. We are still a niche sport and need those who came first to be included if they want to be icluded in the sports future.

Sorry to hear this. Like others have said, you need a new venue! Here's hoping something works out in the tri area.

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Hey all, many thanks for the thoughts and comments. To clarify Monty, I didn't "jump ship" but was excused by the magazine. Much might be said about the direction that Triathlete Magazine is headed under its new corporate ownership but as noted, I'm not party to their motives or direction so will refrain. Perhaps some good will come of it all.

In support of the magazine, I cannot say enough great thinks about the people I have worked for and under. From the Founder, William R. Katovsky, who assigned me a quippish Q and A in late 1985 to the current editors, T.J. Murphy and Somyr Perry, they were professionals one and all. In almost 25 years, I was never scolded or reigned in for my sometimes "senseless" meanderings.
While I fully admit that as I grew as a writer in those two decades, I often pushed boundaries beyond my own skill in the craft, let alone trying to make clear sense to the readers. But "dribble" denotes speaking in a silly or stupid manner. I never pinned toward anything unthoughtful or unintelligent; I appreciated the gig and gave it my fully attention.

Triathlete Magazine was a home base that allowed me to venture out from and share ideas, thoughts and experiences, no different than a Medieval public square or a Slowtwitch forum. I am indebted to them and have nothing but positive memories and best wishes.

There are options for any writer in the rapidly-unfolding age of New Media as well as smart and athlete-centered periodicals that will no doubt respond to changing market conditions. Triathlon was and is, a very healthy and very bitchin' sport and a high tide will float all the boats.

Again, much gratitude for your support and ideas. Luv you too, Tricky.


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"Senseless dribble" is not a polite way to comment on something like this. Hard to imagine you would use such a phrase in a face-to-face conversation with Mr. Tinley--who is surely a man who deserves your repect--much less anyone else.

A little Tact goes a long way in life.

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thanks. I Luv you too.

No hard feelings. If it might make you feel better, I never liked reading Emerson or Shakespeare either.

thanks for all the good reads scott..see you in SD....nothing is sacred anymore

This just plain sucks!! - ...If you are taking pre orders on the book idea mentioned above happy to oblige:-)....Jimmy will pay double for his in advance as well

Actually you are wrong. I would tell him in person. I believe that he is more than capable of defending his work. I also imagine a tremendous conversation to follow. I find it troubling that so many of you "fans" appeal to his authority in such a way that you choose to attack my opinion. Because he is a writing professor does not make him a great writer. Because he is a legend in triathlon does not make him an expert. His writings are purely an introspective view and philosophical review of his life, experience and triathlon. You find it entertaining and I don't. What exactly is the big deal? Was it my delivery? Sorry to offend. I will typically say what I feel.
"Something like this" like what? You act as if I just criticized the Mother Theresa or spit at the Popes sandals. It was a column in a triathlon magazine for God's sake.

I have tact when tact is necessary. There was nothing i said that hurt tinley's feelings I am pretty sure of that. As a writer, scholar and all around smart guy I am sure he knows that opinions will vary and that one cannot please all of the people all of the time. So for all of you who are determined to defend him and his writing and attack my opinion, feel free.

ST, I'll add my voice to the chorus...your column in Triathlete was always a highlight for me when I received my issue in the mail. My subscription is up in a month or two, and it's doubtful I'll renew.

I'll also add one other thought....

Way back in 1997 when I first got into the sport, I met you briefly during the run leg of the Columbia Triathlon. That was my very first race. Apparently you had some sort of mechanical out on the bike course. Despite being out of the running for any prize money, you carried on and ended up finishing the run with some of the age-groupers. We ran a few steps together as you were passing me, I recognized you, said hello and you gave me some nice words of encouragement.

Afterwards, I was beside myself bragging to my friends how I ran a few steps with the former Ironman World Champ and how freakin' cool it was for the average weekend warrior to be able to participate in this sport right alongside the best in the world. My love affair with triathlon began on that day....and in some small measure, it was a result of that chance interaction.

Thanks for the inspiration many years ago and best wishes for the future, wherever it takes you.

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Sorry dude--I have to disagree. I'm not defending his writing (in fact I'm not making any comment on it). I'm not bowing down to his triathlon prowess. Frankly I'm more a "fan" of Pete Reid--but that's just because he was my coach.

what I am saying is that Mr. Tinley, as a fellow human being, deserves more respect than you have shown him. I have no issue with what you said, just the way you said it--in my view, and I say this with respect, it did lack the tact that a classy gentlrman would afford to someone worthy of respect.

Don't confuse this with anything broader or group me with others. I'm just calling a 15 yard penalty for a classless, disrespectful comment.

Not a big deal. 2nd and 25--just accept the penalty and try not to commit it again in the future...:)

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then we'll agree to disagree.
Our views of reality differ. I didn't like his column in Triathlete and that is all. If saying that makes me classless, then so be it.

I can't believe I'm getting a penalty for committing honesty. That sucks.
I cannot nor will I promise to avoid committing the penalty of honesty again.

Hugs all around. Everybody gets a big fat group hug. Or if that is too much how about a group high-five.

My favourite column of yours was (and I read it a long time ago, not quite 23 years, but still a long time, so might have got most of it wrong) was about meeting your future father-in-law at the start line at Kona, just as you had shoved abeg wad of Vaseline (or whatever it was) down the front of your speedo, as he stuck his hand out to shake yours! I still laugh til tears trickle down my face every time I think of that situation.

Best of luck with future endeavours. I'm sure we'll keep hearing from you one way or another.

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Oh boy...............
I hope you've found some other ways to stay connected to the sport - ways that draw the best from you.
Some of us need what you give.
So we'll just wait and look forward to the next thing you put your mind to.
In the mean time hope them ol'bones ain't killin' Ya!
Cheers,
Skid

ST, dude, your column was never my first read as I would wade through the bike porn, the occasional (re: few) tri babe, the race results, and then settle in for your esoteric, kaleidoscope perspective on everything triathlete. Shit, sometimes I even spent time on the back-of-mag ads of goofy plantar fasciitis socks and titan-flex bikes before your read. But I've enjoyed your writings for 20+ years. I have been participating since the Bud Light USTS when Pigg and Jimmy Riccitello were knocking them back and have read your musings along the way. Thanks and godspeed to you.

Nevermind the Trick-dick guy, its just his lips get tired when reading.

To clarify Monty, I didn't "jump ship" but was excused by the magazine.\\

Right..You all were excused as you put it, my bad..I suppose Glen Cook would say you all got "sacked", or in other circles you got your "pink slips". In Texas you got "the boot", a nicer way to say it, "you were let go"." Walking papers", "hit the road","terminated", "services no longer needed", "down sized". " going a different direction". or as the Donald would say"you're fired!"..

I will miss the column, it was about the last thing that I read in the magazine with any regularity. I hope that you hang around these parts a bit more,got to keep me, JR, and skid honest..Lot of dead brain cells left on those north county roads...

I just finished reading Plucky's book and it reminded me just what an amazing impact you have had across the whole of our sport over the years.You thoughts will be missed.

The fake Lothar Leader phone call prank I played on you and hanging with you and Ray during the IMC '94 weekend are still major highlights in my triathlon life.

Best of luck to you Scott.

Nick Mallett


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Thank you for enriching us and the sport. Best of luck.

"You[r] thoughts will be missed."

he didn't die. and, he isn't necessarily discontinuing writing for a triathlon audience. so, let's not through dirt on his literary grave just yet.

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Tinley, Molina, Monty and Jimmy on one thread on ST - Wonder is we can get Mike Pigg, Dave Scott and Mark Allen to comment. This thread will look like the Ironman top ten list from the early 80's.

ST,

As echoed above - really enjoyed your contributions to the magazine and it was always my favourite part, which was why I was glad it was last as I always knew there would be something good to read.

Sometimes it might be different, introspective, but I wouldn't say dribble (hell, that's what my 1-1/2 year old son is doing because his molars are coming in), nor would I say drivel.

Best of luck in your future endeavours and look forward to reading you somewhere else.

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Not sure what the business model for web publishing is like but I, for one, would like to see your writings published here. ST on ST!

Just thought that this would be a nice memory for this thread:

FEBRUARY 1982 Kona TOP TEN MEN 1st Scott Tinley 1:10:45 5:05:11 3:03:45 9:19:41 2nd Dave Scott 58:39 5:17:16 3:21:02 9:36:57 3rd Jeff Tinley 1:13:02 5:27:45 3:12:29 9:53:16 4th Mark Sisson 1:18:18 5:21:23 3:17:34 9:57:15 5th Reed Gregerson 1:05:00 5:31:54 3:25:43 10:02:37 6th Jeff Jones 1:03:40 5:33:27 3:33:32 10:10:39 7th Greg Reddan 1:04:30 5:52:53 3:16:28 10:13:51 8th Kim Bushong 58:29 5:08:11 4:09:04 10:15:44 9th Thomas Boughey 1:02:00 5:39:54 3:35:24 10:17:18 10th Tom Warren 1:03:41 5:26:03 3:48:22 10:18:06

You my friend need to HTFU--don't say classless things. don't tell your wife that she's ugly and fat. don't tell your friend that his daughter can't sing well--use your words, give good advise without being offensive, be an adult. don't whine.

You are a whiny baby you espouses senseless drivel--and you probably are a horrible triathlete as well, and you are probably very ugly and you can't sing well--just trying to be honest here (if I can borrow a page from your book).

jeez--I feel like I'm talking to a 10 year old girl!

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His writings are purely an introspective view and philosophical review of his life, experience and triathlon. You find it entertaining and I don't

I hinted at this in my earlier post when I said that there are likley more than a few current active triathletes who don't have any idea who Scott Tinley is. Also, in talking to a lot of triathletes these days and observing the tenor of may discussions here on this forum, they seem to be doing the sport for very different reasons, and I am sure that these folks would make it through not even half of one of his columns and wonder, what the heck is this dude talking about - where's the Power Meter Numbers and pace and threshold guidelines??

I always enjoyed his wrinting and felt a deep connection to it. Full disclosure - I am from that generation of triathletes and much of what Tinely writes about is from his own experiences of that time. So for me it is personal. I'll be honest and fully admit to that.

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Scott,
Sorry to hear this. I always enjoyed reading the back page.....I hope Tinley keeps talking somewhere:)

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Tinley,

I agree with the others that your column was one of Triathlete's most valuable assets. It is a mistake, I believe, for them to let it go.

It is difficult for me to imagine what could possible be a suitable replacement for such great writing.

I sincerely hope your insight finds a home here on slowtwitch.

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Hello Stinley and All,

I liked you column.

Good luck in future endeavors.

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Sloane: College.
Cameron: Yeah, but to do what?
Sloane: What are you interested in?
Cameron: Nothing.
Sloane: Me neither!
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Sloane: What do you think Ferris is gonna do?
Cameron: He's gonna be a fry cook on Venus!

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Ferris: Ladies and gentlemen, you are such a wonderful crowd, we'd like to play a little tune for you. It's one of my personal favorites and I'd like to dedicate it to a young man who doesn't think he's seen anything good today - Cameron Frye, this one's for you.
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I want a copy of your old book and the new one when you write it. (autographed)

Cheers,

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That was the best part of the magazine. There was some good advice in there and I can recall much of it word for word I read many years ago.

I like reading anything from the legends of the sport and there are only half a dozen legends of triathlon to me.

I won't buy it again now there is no 'Tinley's corner' at the back.

All the best.

G.
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Hey Scott,

Hope "another" tri-mag pics your column up right away.
As I told Skid before , the history and viewpoint you ( and the rest of you vets ) bring to the sport is educational ,entertaining , enlightening and paramount for the newer athletes to understand where our sport has come from.

I personally viewed your column much the way one looks forward to your favourite columnist in your newspaper or regular tv journalist

Thanks for the great stories !

Terry

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Nice call Dev !

When I grow up , I wanna be just like you :)

Terry

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DICK..........

It's very simple , your wrong , buck up and show some respect where it's due.
Hope this is a one off.
Your gonna be agreeing to disagree with a large majority against your singular vote.

Terry

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Tricky, i'm going to back you up on this because I can tell you are feeling lonely.

Scott, I am sad that you won't be writing for Triathlete any more because I enjoyed reading your column. I enjoyed reading it because I didn't much like it and sometimes I enjoy reading stuff that I can then argue with myself about if that makes sense.

Here in the UK, the greatest soccer player that ever lived was George Best. He was incredible and even now you will find people telling you the game has changed and it was much better in those days (their days). He was the guy who, when asked where his fortune had gone, said "I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered". He was a true legend.

Poor old George ended up a sad, old drunk and if you bumped into him in the local pub before he died (which I did occasionally) he was just a bore, reminiscing endlessly about times that no longer had any relevance to a game where players are earning £150k per week.

There should always be a place for respect and the pioneers of this sport deserve just that, but for many of us who have come to the sport more recently endless 'back in the day' stories are exciting at first but on the tenth hearing just become, well, a bit boring.

Sorry. Just my opinion.

Richard

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I have to admit, I probably haven't seen an issue of Triathlete in probably 5-7 years, but "back in the day", your column was the only reliable thing I would read in the mag. I would usually thumb through the magazine in a couple minutes and then read your column. If they continue a back column, there are some big shoes to fill.

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I disagree with your agreement. I saw ST's input as less about the mechanics of triathlon; the training methods, equipment, etc, and more about the philosophy, the reality, of being a triathlete; it's part in you, and your part in it. The rest of the mag was pretty much given to the other stuff.

Speedwork, I do agree, that endless stories about "back in the day" get tired quickly be it from Tinley or anyone else. I felt that STinley offered a balance though and like you, I want to hear stories about today just as much as "back in the day". The demographic of triathlon has certainly changed, and media need personalities who can link with the readers. Can Scott Tinley still do that? I'd like to think yes. He could very easily offer a lot of interesting analysis on what is going on in triathlon today.

For example, in NFL, one of the best commentators I see is Chris Collinsworth, who last played in the Superbowl in 1988, exactly 11 years before Tinley ran his last race in Kona in 1999. He never talks about his own playing days (well almost never) but focuses on the game/play at hand and his inside knowledge as a marquis player really adds to the analysis.

I think ST's column would be perfect for the back page of Inside Triathlon. I wonder if he was offered that spot or is the future of Inside Triathlon in doubt?

It's owned by the same folks that asked him to leave.

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Hi Scott,

As an admirer and follower of your column for many years I always looked forward to your column eagerly. Honestly, there is so much filler in that mag that your column was a refreshing change. I know for certain that I was already intending to cancel my subscription before I heard of this because I think the magazine has been focusing more on the beginner triathlete and is punctuated with a lot of things I don't need to know about, so I would have missed your column anyway. I just checked out your website and if your column appears there or anywhere in the future I'll check it out. Thanks for sharing your thoughts over the years!

To TD: Everyone is entitled to their opinion and judging writing is bound to be similar to art criticism, its subjective. Obviously Slowtwitch, like any public forum, is going to have dissenters that are entitled to their views; however as one president once said "It's a recession when you're neighbor loses his job, its a depression when you lose yours'. The purpose of the thread wasn't to ask your opinion on his writing but to notify those who cared that the column was being dropped by the mag.

NO! I have said crap about your writing before but that is just because I am a douche bag of the highest order. I have read your spot since forever.

P.s. You are a god.

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I knew that. IT serves a different audience, one that still might want to read Tinley six times a year. There have been multiple articles by or about Molina and Allen in the revamped IT, so ST would fit nicely unless the new guy in charge thinks the Big Four are also less relevant for IT in the future.

ST - Thanks for the great columns over the years. Yours were the very definition of keeping it real from the forefront of the sport and I appreciated the varying perspectives that you chose to view it from. You lended much more street cred to that monthly publication and I remember laughing out loud more than once while reading your rants, so thanks for that.

I can see how the mag wants to move in a different direction since so many newbies wouldn't have a clue about who you are or what you've contributed to this sport. That's just the way the world works and I'm sure that most of your regular readers will realize that you're objective enough to know and be at peace with that.

Please post where you end up. There are many who would be forunate to have you.

Keep on keepin' on...

Jeff

the story of you locking onto a toilet with your aerolites still cracks me up.

I read and enjoyed his articles for years even though I was not a triathlete (and I'm still not) Well, maybe this year ;-)

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Hey ST

Sorry to hear that mate - was always the first thing I turned to , lately that was all I read too , in the local newsagent or book store , IMO the mag hasn't been worth it for a couple of years now .

BUT it is now surely time for " Finding the Wheels Hub Volume 2 "

Cheers

Rossi

Well shoot Scott I'm truly sorry to hear about that as you were the best part of that mag for my personal taste. Unfortunately, I dropped my subscription around '99-2000 b/c the mag just lost me in a global sense. To each their own. Wish you well in your new endeavor.

I will always remember you chatting with me and a few pals for probably 30 minutes after Gulf Coast one year standing by the Bud Light truck tasting suds.

ST, Aside from sharing your monthly musings with the tri community at large, I want to thank you for helping the Triathlon Club of San Diego gain traction in its early years. 2000+ members later we still have the greeting you so graciously recorded for the club's answer machine in 1987.

Inasmuch as this thread has become a repository of the ST legend, I'm compelled to add a story that's never been told...While getting my USAT Coaching certification at the Olympic Training Center in Chula Vista I made the acquaintance of Ki Sik Han. Ki was the director of the "Hello-Tri" coaching academy in Korea. When he found out that I knew Scott Tinley he pressed me for a personal introduction. Moved by his passion and persistence, after our clinic I drove him up to ST's house in Del Mar. As luck would have it no one was home. To assuage Ki's grief I let him in the backward where he was thrilled to dip his hand in the pool, touch ST's surf board and pet his dog. It was like Ki's pilgrimage to the sacred shrine of triathlon was complete. Sorry about the tresspass, but it may have helped put Korea on the Ironman map years later.

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Here is one of your last columns :

http://www.triathlete-digital.com/...thlete/200612/#pg146

It is the first free version on the triathlete magazine.
There is a a bit of cynicism in the above article. Some people like that, but it isn't one of my favourite articles written by yourself. I guess it is good to point out some of the excesses we 'get to' as triathletes once in a while though.

G.

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Thanks for the articles and for Racing the Sun. I have enjoyed both.
mitch

Sucks that the corporate asshats don't see the worth in a little history...

At least you'll get more time to brush up your short board at Suckouts...


I remember running w/ you at after a Coors Light race in Sante Fe once...maybe 92 or so?...I was too young to rent a car and had to ride my bike to the start from a Super8...I had a decent race, won a little cash and was starting to think I was getting pretty good...We were warming down with Devlin, Tobin and a couple of Australian guys, and talk turned to the "new faces" of triathlon...You came up with a classic line..."Yeah, I love it when I talk to some fuggin new kid that just popped a big race...they always thinks they're hot shit now after one fast day.......they don't know dick."


old guys rule.

jc

This is a real shame. Triathlete is/was the last of the decent Tri mags in the English language, especially for those who'd actually got a few events under their belt. So many in Europe these days just recycle the same old stuff every 6 months about doing your first event, or how to "have your best run split ever"; they have no depth.

IMO Triathlete is the only magazine I've read in recent years with a bit of soul.

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Triathlete is/was the last of the decent Tri mags in the English language, especially for those who'd actually got a few events under their belt. So many in Europe these days just recycle the same old stuff every 6 months about doing your first event, or how to "have your best run split ever"; they have no depth.

The challenge for the triathlete print media is that, that possibly the biggest and fastest growing cohort within the sport right now would be people categorized as " new" triathletes. By that I mean in the sport, say less than 3 years. Indeed, in the last month I have worked at two very large and well attended triathlon Expos and roughly 2/3 of the people that I spoke to at both of these shows were in their first or second year. Many had never even done a triathlon. They were doing their first this summer!!

It was refreshing to talk with the people at Triathlete's World UK last weekend at the TCR show in London. They made no bones about the fact that they were positioning the magazine and going after the new triathlete. No talk or obsession with Ironman here - just the straight and basic goods on . . . well . . the basics! You have to start somewhere.

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This is always why I strongly believe the rules need to be looked at from the ground up. When you have a magazine seeing the change in customers, and adjusting to this, but maybe not USAT, well, someone will pick up the gap, which is what WTC seems to have been doing. This is why I hold out hope that the 3 big guns can sit down together and equally look to the future, and not get stuck in the past. In a lot of ways, ST can get stuck in the past too much, IMO.

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This is always why I strongly believe the rules need to be looked at from the ground up.

Dave,

We are getting a bit OT here, but I think you are on to it. It's encouraging that key organizations like the WTC, USAT and the ITU want to sit down and sort things out. While we debate the rules and nuances of the sport endlessly here, the fact of the matter is that there are so many new people in the sport who don't have a clue about the rules and having them changing all the time from race to race, does not help matters.

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I liked your column, Scott. The reason I liked it is that it was the one bastion of counterculture purism in a magazine clearly pointed at flashy consumerism. Their choice to drop your column is symbolic to me of the direction this whole sport has taken.

I see triathlon breaking the way surfing broke. Surfing started as a cool underground subculture that people did for fun. It morphed into the latest 'new' thing, developed into some campy consumer driven schlock, and has settled into something in between. There are those that surf for fun, and those who surf because some guy on Baywatch told them it’s the cool thing to do.

Triathlon's popularity has led to its phenomenal growth. Now it’s the latest cool thing to do. Thus, races have gotten more expensive, more packed, and less enjoyable; the 'crowd' has become snarkier and more self absorbed; and the consumer-driven aspect has become ridiculous.

I get it. Circle of life and all that. I just don't like it. I hope someone picks up your column to help offset the imbalance.

I'm sorry to hear that, we'll miss you. Your column and the Frey/Huddle show were my primary reasons for subscribing.

when I started tri in 1988, as an unregenerate runner, 'Winning Triathlon' was my textbook. Can't say it worked, never actually won anything as such ;-) but it's been a good time nonetheless. Thank you..

That's fair enough; all the UK magazines are like this now. I find it hard to believe anyone who has some experience would pay for a subscription to these, with the information Tri forums and sites like ST can now provide. Whilst chasing the 'newbie' they have driven others away; a financial decision I guess.

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I liked your column, Scott. The reason I liked it is that it was the one bastion of counterculture purism in a magazine clearly pointed at flashy consumerism. Their choice to drop your column is symbolic to me of the direction this whole sport has taken.

I see triathlon breaking the way surfing broke. Surfing started as a cool underground subculture that people did for fun. It morphed into the latest 'new' thing, developed into some campy consumer driven schlock, and has settled into something in between. There are those that surf for fun, and those who surf because some guy on Baywatch told them it’s the cool thing to do.

Triathlon's popularity has led to its phenomenal growth. Now it’s the latest cool thing to do. Thus, races have gotten more expensive, more packed, and less enjoyable; the 'crowd' has become snarkier and more self absorbed; and the consumer-driven aspect has become ridiculous.

I get it. Circle of life and all that. I just don't like it. I hope someone picks up your column to help offset the imbalance.



While the above is true in alot of areas, it is not the right way to view it. It is too cycnical and anyone who feels like that should look for other options. I know I do at times. I have also been around endurance sport races for over 20 years and one big race organisier even offered to come along for some course exploring training.
In other words you can do your own thing as that was originally what it was all about.
I see the best in it all, where I live in NZ we still have some small triathlons and multiple sport events which are low cost and low key. There maybe some sponsor signs around but no one trying to sell you stuff.
Then I went to ironman Germany, Roth and Kona last year and was amazed with all the options and mechandisers, sponsors....etc. Favourite thing I got was some run/daywear shorts from the addidas shop in downtown Frankfurt. I don't generally buy many things, but it is fun looking at all the options.

To sum up triathlon is alot more commercialised than what it was when say Scott Tinley did his first triathlon, but times have moved on. Go back to the start anytime you like and run over a mountain then do a swim, at least thats what I first did some 20 years ago and now one of the biggest events is running in the same mountains, but my favourite is still free and quiet.

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Away from the magazine ...

The book, "Racing The Sunset" is genius.

http://www.amazon.com/...After/dp/1592280951i

Keep On Truckin' ....

KP

The Jackson Browne quote in what I assume was your final Triathlete column made me smile. As I have for the past few years, I went straight to the back page when I picked up the mag, even though it was the swimsuit issue.

Young sexy bodies are easy to find each year, but I seriously doubt they will find your replacement that easily.

Let the music keep our spirits high!

 
A very enjoyable contribution from ST...ironically, probably the best thing in the mag this month (not that I don't like chicks in swimsuits ;) ).

When I first started buying Triathlete Magazine in the late 80's, Tinley Talks was the FIRST thing I read. The anecdotes, humor, and lifestyle commentary were very fun and entertaining. I was even caught up for a time in completely outfitting myself with ST Performancewear and Saucony Azura ST shoes... and Oakley Iridium Blades. For me, he and his back page antics epitomized the counter-culture attitude and fun of Multisport.

About five years ago I found myself only reading the first two paragraphs of Tinley Talks and losing focus as the writing started losing any semblance of focus. Even though I continue to enjoy Triathlete Magazine, I haven't even looked at a Tinley Talks for a couple years. I've kept waiting for a public confession like...

"I can't believe they kept paying me ANYTHING for my ramblings. My 'What Can I Come Up With In The Shower' topics were harder and harder to invent even with increasing levels of Starbucks fueling my mid-morning awakenings and middle of the night knee pains. I even referenced in my column that my Pseudo-biography sold barely 100 copies. Wait a second, am I still SPONSORED by companies and endorsing their products? I admitted that I can't run anymore because of my knees but I still appear occasionally in Avia shoe ads. Hold it! Am I endorsing Avia or Saucony now? Scott Tinley Performancewear or Reebok? Avia, Saucony, or Reebok? How does Dean Karnazes do it? He's even got TOYOTA!"

"Maybe I can get one of the endorsement deals like retired car racer Richard Petty for Goody's Still Livin' the Dream headache medicine."

**The Forum posting above was done with my best Scott Tinley honoring irreverence. ST will always mean Scott Tinley to me (no matter how much time I waste on Slow Twitch). I still like you best... and Kenny Souza.