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Due to the joys of jetlag, I'm wide awake at 3:14am, cuz my body thinks it's 9:14pm. I had debated back and forth about whether I'd post a RR, and what I would include, or not. Sorry in advance if this is long, and maybe a bit of a downer to read.

Special thanks to my family and friends. In particular my wife and daugther, who are my biggest fans, and have sacrificed so much for me to do this race. People talk about what it 'costs' to do an IM, and particularly Kona, and the sacrifices that are made. I never realized the extent of what might be sacrificed for me to make it there.....

Ipo iki keiki (darling little child),

You came into our lives in the weeks following Lake Placid, and filled our hearts with hope, love, and expectation. While we only knew you for a very short time, you are and always will be a part of our ohana. One of the happiest days of my life was at 6 weeks when the ultrasound showed your little heart beating. One of the saddest was the day a month later in the Kona ER that another ultrasound showed that it had stopped...... While the nurses and doctors tried to assure me that this is something that happens, and the trip to HI had nothing to do with it, I still can't help but think that things might have been different had we not made the journey. When I got onto the bike and saw it was overcast, and actually even raining in the lava fields, I knew that greater forces were at work. Then I realized, you were protecting me, your mana was with me to give me kokua thru the day. I was thankful for the cooling rain, it helped hide and wash away my tears. I hope that means that you forgive me. I hope someday I can forgive myself. Mahalo and aloha. I will never forget you. You will always be in my heart.



Race week - arrive late Monday, in a downpour. We thankfully missed the earthquake and ensuing travel snafus, and other than my 3 y/o being awake for all but the last 10 minutes of our 10.5 hr direct flight (an endurance challenge that makes an IM pale by comparison), it was relatively uneventful. Tues we sleep in, the roll into town and have brunch at Lava Java. I get in an afternoon swim, then we go back and get settled in. Uh oh, my wife and I both now have nasty colds, with horrific runny noses - damn plane travel. Wed I get in another short swim, then we cruise up to Hawi, and my wife is shocked by the lava fields, you really have to ride thru all this? (I guess she's never seen it on TV). Have a nice lunch at Bamboo in Hawi, then do some touristy sightseeing for the rest of the day. But, we feel like crap, so no hiking, which means we missed out on some really good stuff. Thurs is one of the worst days of my life. Cathy wakes up w/ severe cramping and bleeding, and we rush to the local Urgent Care clinic, who send us to the ER at the hospital. After many hours of waiting, they get her in for the ultrasound, and then we get the bad news we'd feared..... I take Emma home (she's been a trooper all day), and we go back after the operation to take Mommy back home. Friday am I go thru the motions, I'm still gutted. What's the point? At least the SBR somewhat takes my mind off of things. Cathy wants me to do the race, so I agree that I will give it my best shot. We have a very nice meal at Jamesons that evening, and get to bed early.

Race am - I wake up, down 4 Ensures like usual, and get ready. (Silly me, set the alarm for 4:45 as opposed to 3:45, so I'm an hour behind. Didn't realize this until much later) Wanted to leave by 5:30 or so, we don't get out the door until after 6. Drive over, park way too far away, and walk down to the pier. I get there and it's already after 6:30, now I'm getting a little frantic. I drop off my pre-swim bag, then go get bodymarked. (I hear the National Anthem.) I am THE LAST person there, they are mostly packed up. (The Pros go off.) Then I drop off my bike special needs bag, head over to my bike to set up, pump up the tires, etc. I actually even remember the PT computer this time. I finally get into the water, 3 mins before the start. I swim casually out towards the line, and 20m away, the gun goes off.

The swim - ok, so I self-seeded by default. 20 mins into the swim, I suddenly realize that I don't know if I chipped in or not. Swell, this could be a very long expensive training day now. Nothing I can do about it, just keep swimming. Due to the seeding and being a crap swimmer, there is dramatically less contact during the swim, since there are a lot less bodies back here in the BOP. I hit the turnaround in 44 mins, and with a goal swim time of <1:30 (man's got to know his limitations), I think I'm right on pace and good to go. I am wrong. It takes nearly 55 mins to get back. Oy vey. I see my split upon exiting the water and know that any "smackdown" w/ Dev is now officially over, and I'm just out to finish as best I can. 1:39:41, 1549

T1 - uneventful. Great volunteer help. 3:52

The bike - I liked being able to do the shoes-on-bike mount, one less thing to deal with in T1. I don't feel all that great, but I keep on keeping on, taking it very easy. My watts are 200 +/- 20 or so pretty much all day, which is totally loafing it, but my #1 goal is to arrive fresh for the run, as I'm very fearful of the heat and humidity. I have pains in places I've never had before, my right knee is killing me, I have a hotspot on my right foot and my right big toe feels like a ten penny nail has been driven into the end of it. Amazingly it is overcast, and even rains a bit at the 20m mark at the beginning of the lava fields. I have a bit of an emotional weepy moment, but it's a long day and I can't go to pieces here. Even tho I'm taking it easy, I still pass tons of people like they have roots. I see Normann flying by the other way (didn't realize it was him, since I forgot that this year's Kuota is yellow), with a HUGE gap over the following riders. Game over, they'll never catch him. I also see Natasha is well back, wonder what's going on with her, not her day apparently. Very thankful to get to Hawi, as the descent is just what I need to take a break from the 3 hrs of steady pedaling. Hit a bit of headwind going back, but then it changes to a tailwind and I'm cruising at 25 mph and feeling good again. 2m from the end I pull the feet out of the shoes, sweet relief! 5:31:50, 1037.

T2 - uneventful, stopped for a pee break (didn't go at all on the bike) a minute well spent, and another awesome volunteer to help me in the tent. 4:03

The run - time for marathon #2. I'm zipping along Ali'i drive, dont see mile marker #1, but at #2 I'm at like 13:35, dude, you need to chill. I slow down to 7:30-7:45 pace the rest of Ali'i, and feel ok, stomach is a little queasy, but I can work around it. People are walking already - they are in for along day. My personal "new rule" - no walking on Ali'i Drive. The climb up Palani is brutal, I don't remember reading anything about this?.... and where did the damn mile markers go? That 3m stretch was 24:24, so I'm still clicking off ~8 min miles, which is all I need. Sheesh, the Queen K goes on forever, where is the damn Energy Lab?? "New rule" - no walking on the Queen K. Oh, there is is, be careful what you wish for. I hit the turnaround and I'm in survival mode, just keep moving. "New rule" - no walking in the Energy Lab. I'm just moving from aid station to aid station, cup of ice in the hat, some water, a gel here and there. Even though it is overcast, it's still pretty damn hot and humid, and my ice in the hat melts completely between aid stations in the Energy Lab. Back out on the Queen K, the prior "new rule" is still in effect, but now I'm doing some ~8:30 miles. Get back to town and absolutely fly down Palani Dr, yee ha, only a mile or so to go now! I pick it up, and see my AG # on a calf ahead of me turning onto Ali'i drive - do I chase him down? Hell yeah, it's a race. I blow past him, and then cruise up Ali'i drive, the birds in the banyan tree are almost deafening. I see 910 GO DADDIA (Daddia is my daughter's term of endearment for me) in chalk on the road, and I am psyched beyond belief. Then I see my wife yelling for me, and I high five her as I run by down the chute. 3:29:58, 752.

Overall 10:49:24, 752. I had modest goals for Kona, to have fun, to finish, in daylight, and a stretch goal of running <3:30. So, I got 'er done. Kona was a memorable experience, but frankly not one I'm in any rush to repeat. I am thankful I was able to have a decent race, as I would have been dishonoring all my family's sacrifices had I not given my best effort.

Mahalo for reading this. Aloha.



Since I sprung for the pics the day after the race, I don't think the fine folks at ASI will mind if I post these here.


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Last edited by: Murphy'sLaw: Oct 31, 06 3:23
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Michael, I'm so sorry for you and your family. Thank you for sharing and be well. Warmest regards to your wife.

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So sorry to read about the loss of your little one. I will keep you, your wife and daughter in my prayers.
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Well done, ML...

My family's prayers are with your family...

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MB-

I thought I detected a heavy heart in your PM.

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family .

Having met your wife and wonderful daughter it was hard for me to read your RR . I can't imagine what you guys had to endure that day. I admire you for gutting out the race, and I couldn't agree with you more on honoring all the sacrficies your family made getting you to The Show.

I wish you all peace and healing my friend.







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Congrats on the race bro'.

My condolences to you and your family. Try not to beat yourself up too badly. Everything happens for a reason.


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Wow, having been through something very similar this year, I can say that I am truly sorry for your families loss. This is something that no family should have to go through.
We went through this ordeal over two months ago I still don't think I could write such a beautiful eloquent thoughts about it.
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ML, thanks for the RR and pics. I am so sorry to hear about your family's loss. I am praying for you.

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Sorry to hear about your loss.

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So sorry to read about your familys loss.... your child is an angel watching over all of you!!
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Wow dude...I can't believe that you were even able to race with what you and your wife went through. Its just a race. I am glad you finished, but it is just a race. I hope your family is making out OK. Please pass on my best wishes. By the way, I still have your Epicman medal. I brought it to the pier race morning, hoping to see you had had it post race, also hoping to see you. Send me a PM and I'll mail it over to ya when I get home.

Finally that swim was totally unfair for you. You would have spanked me pretty good if we were not on an endless pool treadmill coming back to the pier!

Dev
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Thanks for your race report. We are all so sorry for your loss. I can only imagine how difficult it is for you and your wife. You can't blame yourself or the race for what happened. We can't keep ourselves curled up in a ball in our beds our whole lives. We have to live and be out there.

I know you already know this, but you have the most amazing wife in the world if she was out there cheering you on just a few days later. You had a great day out there even without considering what you had been through. Congratulations for a solid race and for keeping things in perspective.

Dawn
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Sorry to hear about your loss. We had a stillborn son years ago. My wife first learned of this when she was in labor and had to deliver knowing that that our son would be stillborn. Yes, it was the worst day of our lives.

We subsequently had two beautiful daughters who, as my wife said just the other day, would not have been born if our son had survived since we would probably have stopped at two kids.

All I can say from our experience is that "time does heal all wounds" and, at least in our case, we ended up blessed with two additional great kids. I hope you and your wife can also eventually get past this sorrow. Take care.
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Mike,

The fact that you raced, drawing strength from such a sad time says a lot about your character. I'm sure the 10 hours your wife and daughter spent cheering for you offered them great comfort and a welcome distraction. Great job, hopefully we'll run into each other sometime next season (you can teach me how to execute a sub 3:30 IM mary).

Ian
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Itseazy, ML will teach us all how to run sub 3:30 as defending Epicman Champion !
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I'm sorry for your loss. I also want to say that you look like Tom Demerly.


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Great race report and congratulations on even getting to the start line, never mind the finish line. That was quite a bike ride and marathon you put together!!!

I am so sorry for the loss you and your wife have suffered. Nothing any of us can say can dull the pain but please take comfort in knowing that us ST'ers thoughts are with you and spiritually we support you both. Please do not beat yourself up thinking that you had some part in contributing to your daughter's passing. As the doctors in Hawaii said it does happen unfortunately, life can be great and life can be equally cruel. Rest well and hopefully see you at Epicman next year.

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Hey Mike,

Hanging out with you and your family after the race was one of the best parts of my day. At the time, I had no idea what you had been through during the week - you all seemed very much in the moment which I think is the best way to honour your little angel.

Thanks for sharing. My heart goes out to all three of you and you are in my thoughts.

Mike

PS - No sharing your off the bike running secrets with Ian - you promised to share them with me first and it's the only way I will ever catch him!

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Very touching. Blessings on your family.

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ML,

There aren't really words other than sorry for your loss. One thing I took away from that race is greater awareness of what's going on around me. Upon crossing the finish line I didn't think about being at the finish of the IMWC but rather how fortunate I was to have friends and loved ones in my life. It makes you realize how insignificant racing is and how much more imporant many other things are.
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Thanks all for the kind words, here and via PM.

Barry - I hope I didn't imply anything bad about my daughter, she's fine and dandy and as much of a handful as always. We lost our unborn child, near the end of the first trimester (we thought based on the very positive prior ultrasound at 6 weeks that we were in the clear, but since my wife is >40, that ended up being not the case, since the odds of miscarriage go way up as you age)

Dev - I'll be at EpicMan to defend my title, but I'll be showing up to a gunfight with little more than my d*ck in my hand (aka - unarmed) against the likes of you, Mikey C, Barry, and especially Ian and uber-ringer Jonnyo. I'm sorry I missed you all week, I wanted to hang out and BS with my main man, but it was not meant to be (I also still owe Paulo a raincheck on that overpriced wussy coffee-esque drink he wanted at Lava Java). I would have loved to be at the ST brunch rather than where I was, believe me.

BF - yes, I do have a passing resemblance to Mr. Demerly. Except he's a handsome dude, and I'm "one ahgly matha facka" as Ahhhnold would say.

Mikey C (and Ian) - I'll put my super-secret 'IM run off the bike' tips up to the highest bidder. Whichever onea you guys can help me out most w/ my swim, wins. Mike, it was my pleasure to spend time w/ you and your family, we enjoyed your company very much, you all are good people.

DawnT - my wife is a rock star. She rules. I don't know how she made it thru all that, but she did it. I am a very lucky man, and I tell her that often.

Thanks again to all for the sentiments. It helps, a lot.

-Mike


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Thank you for sharing your story, it was very touching to read your words. We wish the best for you and your family.
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I have never cried reading an RR before until this one. I am so deeply sorry for your loss. No parent should ever have to go through what you and your family went through.

You are clearly a gifted runner. I wish I had something more to say that I know would put a smile on your face...

Sincerely, Chris
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I don't know you ML,
I only hope I could show half as much courage in any part of my life.
Good luck, be well and nice race.

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Great race report and congrats on the finish! So sorry to hear about the miscarriage. My wife and I had the same thing happen. She was about 2 months pregnant when we went in for an ultrasound and no heartbeat. It was devastating, moreso to her because she had pinned so much excitement and hope on our first baby. We started trying a few months later and BINGO! Pregnant again, but this time it worked. Hang in there and give it another shot. That's the most fun part, right?

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Heh ML - you may remember I was crap swimmer/Brit at LP - I kept looking for your RR to see how Kona went.

I feel for you and your family, man - wow - you should be proud of finishing the race despite it all - please extend my families sincere sympathies to yours.

See you next year at IM MOO?? (The only one I could get to without flying!!)

Cheers ML

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Even though I have two young children myself, I can't imagine what you and your family must have gone through. To say that I am sorry for your loss doesn't even scratch the surface.

Your wife's encouraging you to do the race says a lot about her and the type of person she is. You are very lucky.

Oh, I almost forgot, fantastic result in the race! Congratulations.

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Thanks for the report, and deepest sympathies for your loss. Congrats on a great race despite the difficult circumstances.
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Mike, we met briefly at the harriman race. I'm sorry about your loss and it shows your strength that you were able to do the race. Very touching story to read. Keep your heads up.

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Michael, I am so sorry for your loss, there is no sadness like a child lost, no matter how long you knew him or her. My heart goes out to you and your wife.

Congratulations on pulling off an impressive race and making your marathon goals by 2s. You are obviously a very strong guy.

RR
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Mike, best wishes to your whole family for the future.
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Kus, we now have to teach Mike how to swim, so he saves his energy and goes even faster. He must be the fastest guy to ever swim 1:39.

ML, I can't wait to see you next year when you turn into a 58 min swimmer!
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So sorry to hear about your loss and the circumstances that you had to race under. We didn't get to meet while you were on the Island, buy my family was yelling at you on the hot corner on your way up Palani.

Unbelieveable effort!



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ML---that has to be one of the most gut-wrenching events ever on so many levels. So sorry for your loss and my very best wishes to you and your family as you continue to get through this.

Thanks for sharing the story....as so often is the case with these situations, so perfectly in perspective do they help place the rest of our daily lives.
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Thx again all for the warm wishes and kind thoughts.

Will - I heard the yelling, but since Mike is such a generic name, I'm never sure if it's for me!! (I always pretend it is anyway ;-)

Dev,

<<ML, I can't wait to see you next year when you turn into a 58 min swimmer! >>

You got some magic Thorpedo pixie dust yer willing to share?? I'd pay big $'s for it at this point. I'd be pretty f'n ecstatic with a 1:08, I think 58 is beyond even being a fantasy for me. I couldn't do that with a full wetsuit, flippers, and paddles. (not that it matters, I won't be swimming longer than 1.2m in a race for a coupla seasons, at least)



Oh, for the power peeps, I finally got my bike back this afternoon (what, me worry?) and was able to download my PT when I got home. I knew I was totally loafing it on the bike, but now I am embarrassed at just how much so. I rode WAY too conservatively.

My NP for the ride was 189w, which is an IF of .65 :-p (for reference, at EpicMan I did NP 209w IF .72, all my other RR rides were at even higher wattage still, all 220+, and IMLP was by far my fastest 112m ride, so I'm guessing that was more like IF of .75 or more, which woulda been *at least* NP ~221w++ Possibly closer to 230. So, I dogged it to the tune of ~32w+ less at Kona than LP.)

So, the "secret" to my decent run at Kona is out - give up 15-20+ mins on the bike so ya can run 5-10 mins faster. Probably not ideal. But, at least I didn't blow up, which was my #1 concern going into the race.


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You got some magic Thorpedo pixie dust yer willing to share?? I'd pay big $'s for it at this point. I'd be pretty f'n ecstatic with a 1:08, I think 58 is beyond even being a fantasy for me. I couldn't do that with a full wetsuit, flippers, and paddles. (not that it matters, I won't be swimming longer than 1.2m in a race for a coupla seasons, at least)


Hmm, if I can go 61 min, and I'm 5'3", I'm pretty sure with your engine, we could get you down to the same region. Maybe this winter we could trade some bike advice for some swim advice, then I could be able to hang with the Epic pack. Seeing hows Eagleman closed out before I decided to pull the pin, Epic Man Camp may be available for me next year. But, at this point in time, you guys would need to leave me a pretty good size trail of bread crumbs to let me know where you all went off to.


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<< Maybe this winter we could trade some bike advice for some swim advice, then I could be able to hang with the Epic pack. >>

DEAL!!! I knows how to ride me a bike purty good (my total sandbag ride in Kona excepted), but obviously there's still something, or several somethings, that just aren't 'clicking' for me and swimming. Considering that prior to this Spring I'd never swum more than 50m in a pool w/o stopping to gasp for breath (being able to breath while swimming turns out to be a pretty key skill, who knew? :-p), I've come a long way, but I still have sooo much further to go.



I need to go to fricken bed. I got 2 hrs of sleep last nite. Good nite all-


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Murphy's Law- Sorry about your loss. Take heart that you have a loving family to deal with the pain. Your wife sounds like a wonderful wife, friend and mother!!!!!

Without having seen your stroke, I'm going to guess that at the end of your swim sessions, you feel little, if any, upper body muscle fatigue. With your engine, patently you can do much better. You need to really grab the water and pull. Feel the water, and pull...feel the water and pull...that also does wonders to make you more like a canoe, than a barge as your pull will come from the hips. When it happens, and it will, it will be like an epiphany. Again, when you start feeling like your upper body got a workout, then you are on the right track.
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My thoughts and prayer are with you and your family. We lost two of our triplets almost 3 years ago, so I am very familiar with the loss of a child. You will always remember them and you really feel they live with you. Best to you and your family.

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So Sorry, and Congratulations in the same post ?!?

Best Wishes for you and your wife. As another father, I am sure you cherish the chid you have and I hope that lessens your pain.

Your race...wow, what fortitude to even begin, much less put down a great performance.

Regards,
Zev
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Murph, sorry to read of your loss. To conquer that course under those circumstances must take a tremendous sense of will, sounds like you have a wonderful family to draw this from. I have always admired the way you conduct yourself on this board and am deeply impressed by your strength of character, you are a true warrior. Congratulations on a great race and thank you for sharing this touching RR...we all feel for you & your family.



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ML, hang on man...with that 1:39 swim, I suspect that your average "wattage" is closer to 300+ in the water, where I was literally dogging in the water trying to pace myself to feel good in the energy lab.

I suspect that once you get your swim down to sub 1:10 (or even that 58), you'll also take 10 min off your bike and another 5-10 min off your run. You'll just have so much more juice for the other two events that it will be scary. Seriously.

Without looking at you I'd venture to guess that your body position is crap and it gets crappier the moment you go to breath and it gets crappier yet in ocean swells.

You should PM Dr. Tommy, and he'll likely be happy to give you a bunch of really good body position drills that you should work on all winter. This is what he told me to work on over the next few months. Forget about trying to get fit in the water. You'll get that from other sports. As much flack as Total Immersion takes on this forum, reading Terry's book and getting his video will take you to the first step towards better body position and improving your drag profile in the water. This will likely immediately take you from 79 minutes at LP with wetsuit to sub 70. Think of it as working on your 'aero position' in the water. Then once you got your 'aero position' improved, you can work on propulsion, but no amount of propulsion with bad drag profile.
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Re: Kona RR - in memorium [devashish paul] [ In reply to ]
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Racerman,

<< Without having seen your stroke, I'm going to guess that at the end of your swim sessions, you feel little, if any, upper body muscle fatigue. With your engine, patently you can do much better. You need to really grab the water and pull. Feel the water, and pull...feel the water and pull...that also does wonders to make you more like a canoe, than a barge as your pull will come from the hips. When it happens, and it will, it will be like an epiphany. Again, when you start feeling like your upper body got a workout, then you are on the right track. >>

You are 100% correct, my upper body is rarely all that tired after my swim sessions, even the 'longer' and/or 'harder' ones. I rarely swim over an hour, but even for the hardest of those sessions, I'm mostly more aerobically tired from the hard sets (and the resultant heavy breathing) than feeling any soreness in my arms or shoulders or lats.

Dev,

Nope, no 300w for me. We were both dogging it (which I then continued to do on the bike :-p) I totally cruise the IM swim, since I've found in practice that my extra "watts" to the water doesn't buy me any appreciable extra speed, so I don't even bother. I have majorly diminshing returns when I try to swim 'hard' - see below. I really didn't swim any harder at Kona than LP, which explains the stupid-slow time - I just kept plodding along at my steady pace, just for that much longer.

I'll drop my drawers here and share my pitiful swim workout times w/ everybody, so they can see where I'm at:

max, all out 25m sprint - 24-25 secs

hard 100m repeats (as part of a 100hard/50easy/rest 30" set) - 1:55 +/-

easy/steady 100m pace (as part of warmup or in between harder sets) - 2:15 +/-

silly easy 100m pace - 2:25 +/-

kick sets (skating drill, on side, w/ hand extended, no fins) - :55 +/- (yes, my kicking sucks, and I have poor ankle flexibility, which Doug Stern told me is a *major* physical limiter. I stretch them regularly (sit on heels thing), but I still need much work on that)

<< Without looking at you I'd venture to guess that your body position is crap and it gets crappier the moment you go to breath and it gets crappier yet in ocean swells. >>

No bout adout it. If it wasn't for all that pesky breathing stuff, I'd probably suck quite a bit less at it ;-)

Thanks again all for the good words and encouragement. Mahalo.


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Re: Kona RR - in memorium [Murphy'sLaw] [ In reply to ]
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ML,

I second Dev Paul's suggestion to take a look at TI for body position exercises. Dev says that propulsion alone is worthless without good position. That's true. However, while a strong pull will get you no where fast if you have lousy position, a weak pull can tell you a lot about your current position. Having no muscular fatigue means that you're not grabbing the water. When you grab the water, you will have a natural tendency to rotate your hips first. Start thinking like a batter gearing up to smack a baseball. Think, "I've got to crush the ball" (water), so what does a batter do? He rotates his hips, unwinds and voila, his bat speed (arms) and force are high, and ding goes the bat and bye bye goes the ball. Except your ball is the water. Grab the sucker, it will help your hips come alive.

Also, the hardest thing for a beginner/lousy swimmer is for them to realize, "when is my position good?" For that you need feedback, tactile or otherwise. Having a coach on deck is always good, but frankly not an option available to most people.

One drill to test yourself on is the single side stroke drill, breathing on the opposite side. http://video.google.com/...-6023421723578786164

If you can do it, you're at least getting somewhere. If you have lousy position, you will sink and fight for every breath. Great way to measure your position when you're on your own.

Also, breathe bilaterally. It balances out your stroke and hip rotation. 2-3 concentrated sessions and you will find it comes naturally.
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ML, sorry I did not see this sooner. My heart aches for you and your family. That loss is very hard to deal with, you have my prayers. (and I don't really pray that often)

Great race at Kona



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(((hugs)))

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Murphy,

My heart goes out to you and your wife for your loss. I know how your are feeling but somehow life will make it up to you.

I'm glad that you continued on and did the race. You look great in the pictures in your Hudson Valley Tri Club jersey. I think I'm going to join the club just so I can get one.

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We had a virtually identically pathetic swim , 44 turnaround and 55 back last year :)

Well executed on the rest of the race.

Very sorry to hear of your loss , regards to you and your family Mike.

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Re: Kona RR - in memorium [racerman] [ In reply to ]
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Racerman you said, "One drill to test yourself on is the single side stroke drill, breathing on the opposite side. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6023421723578786164

If you can do it, you're at least getting somewhere. If you have lousy position, you will sink and fight for every breath. Great way to measure your position when you're on your own."



This drill is bang on and if you have bad body/head position, the moment you go to breath your hips sink and your progress ends. I've been doing it since Kona. Dr. Tommy asked me to work on this. I'm hoping that I can still take 2-4 min off my Ironman swim time for 2007.

Dev
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That's a cool drill, I hadn't seen that one before (or, if it's somewhere in the Quick and/or Marsh videos, I need to watch them again. And again.)

Doug Stern recommends something kinda sorta similar, only you keep the non-stroking arm out in front of you the whole time (rather than back at your side), and I did a bunch of those ever since learning them from him. He calls them right arm, left arm, or RaLa for short. (He also does a version called Scooters where the extended arm is on a kickboard, but I prefer them without).

So, my typical drill progression might be: w/u, RaLa, CU, swim. I'll try those instead (or in addition) the next time I get wet, see how it goes. I'm sure they are harder since you don't have that other arm out in front to aid in balance and positioning.

I do breathe bilaterally during the easier parts of my workouts. Once I get going hard (and during races), I stick to single side. In workouts I'll breathe to the right going down, and left coming back. In races I usually breathe to the left (unless I need a break or whatever, then I'll do it to the right for a bit)

Thx for the great video link and suggestions! (and thx again to all for the kind words, they are much appreciated)

-M


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Definately try with your arm at your side. I think having your hand out in front counter-balances you in a way and decreases the effectiveness of the drill. Make sure not to flatten out though, you still want that body roll that puts you on your side with each stroke. I have found that triathletes especially HATE to take their time with a drill and rush through it trying to "do work" You really have to take your time on this drill or you wil either sink or be very tired after a 25.

Good luck!
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Wow, thank you for sharing. I hope sharing this will help ease the recovery a bit. I am so sorry what you and your family went through. Don't ever think it was 'because' you went to Hawaii...regardless, there is a reason for everything. Your wife is a special person. Congrats on an awesome race in Hawaii!
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