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Re: Here's your Make America Great Again [vitus979]
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Not reaching at all. It’s not at all clear that the agents needed a warrant, and if they didn’t, I don’t find it unusual in the least that they didn’t explain to their subject why they didn’t. Maybe you haven’t dealt with many cops. There are a LOT of cops who won’t explain stuff like that, just because they don’t have to.


Well, the law frequently surprises me, but I find it odd that you're so unsure that federal agents need permission or a warrant to enter a private residence.

As for cops, I've dealt with plenty. Certainly enough to know that, if they are on rock solid ground and have a warrant or permission to enter or do something, they aren't shy about making sure it's well known. And I've dealt with federal agencies enough to know that if there's a controversy over something like this, and the Public Affairs people are dragged in, and the officers or agents in question had a warrant or permission to enter, it's just about the first thing the agency announces.

The fact that the agents in questions made up a ridiculous story instead of simply saying that they had the owners' authorization to enter, and that the owners haven't said they gave permission, and the agency (when asked) hasn't already stated that they had permission, is plenty of reason to suspect that they didn't, in fact, have permission.

Of course, news articles are frequently full of errors and false information, but just from reading the article, there's really no reason to assume that the agents had permission from the owner. Not a single thing in the reporting (this or the several other stories on the same incident) would indicate that.

NBC reports that the suspects' companion says the agents told him the arrest was a "mistake" when they released Bolanos. The agents reportedly acknowledged that the law says they can't come onto private property. They also reportedly claimed the residence was unoccupied - which it apparently wasn't. Reporting also indicates that the workers were trying to call the homeowners, and told the agents that the homeowners would tell them to leave, when the agents arrested Bolanos.

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Your assumption that they did isn’t anymore grounded than my speculation that they had permission.

That's nonsense. Did you actually watch the video? The workers contact the homeowner, and she is supposedly on her way, and the agent offers to speak to her on the phone. It's pretty clear he hadn't spoken to her before that, or even known that she existed. Pair that with the rest of the video and reporting, and the fact that none of the agents just plainly stated they had permission to enter, the fact that ICE has referred the matter to their Office of Professional Responsibility, etc, and there's really no reason at all to suppose that they had previous contact with and permission from the owner.

Slowguy

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Last edited by: slowguy: Oct 24, 17 13:30

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  • Post edited by slowguy (Dawson Saddle) on Oct 24, 17 13:30