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nslckevin wrote:

Things that prove doping include, a positive test, a confession, testimony from somebody who has witnessed the doping. Things that do not prove doping. "Wow, look how fast he's climbing."

I've said this before on ST and I'll say it again. Here are three things that we've been told that can't all be true:

"...the US Postal Service Pro Cycling Team ran the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen." (USADA)
EPO can provide up to "...a 20 percent power gain!" (Vaughters)
The current top riders are clean. (not sure if you are saying this or not but some are)

Why can't they all be true? Because hill climb times are about the same. Sure, it matters what the wind was, where in the race, stage, etc the climb appeared, but there are too many observations to fall back on those explanations now. Day in and day out, no matter where the climb falls, on average climb speeds are in the same ball park as they were before. Certainly they are nowhere near 20% slower. The peloton slowed bit for a year or two, but they are now back to about where they were before.

So at least one of the bullets above is false. I actually think they're all false.

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