Re: Nina Kraft wins IMKY at 46. [TimJ] - NEW [In reply to] Quote | Reply
What kind of penalty do you think would be a deterrent to doping today? I'm not referring to Nina here, past or present. But a deterrent to a 20-year old aspiring pro, and to a 35-year old established pro?
For a twenty year old aspiring Pro I don't think the length of any ban or severity of penalty other than $s in the form of a fine would make any difference, they would just finish college and get a real job. Of course they may return to longer course racing in later life but I guarantee he would only do it because it his passion and not for the money. Same thing for a 35 year old established pro except they would just go back to their original careers and make more money. The main problem beyond peoples ethics is not the extent of the punishment it is enforcement. I personally think that blood samples should also be kept for possible later testing, then the athlete would know that established or new drugs can and hopefully will be caught sooner or later. As a self confessed never race cheater I am happy with whatever the powers that be decide including a lifetime ban.
Would an an assured loss of fans/sponsors forever be enough? Public shaming on internet message boards for the rest of their careers? Or would less do the trick?
I think fans and sponsors will and should make their own decisions for their own reasons. Triathlon is still primarily a participation sport, kids aren't trading pro cards on our street corner just yet. Most people at these races have no idea who the person coming down the finish line is and are cheering them in recognition of what they may have done or gone through to get there, Google and Wikepedia are just a click away if anyone needs more info on someone. Few people come to a race to watch their professional heroes and most are there to support their own friends or family of who they are the real fans of. As far as public shaming on the internet of anyone I just don't see that as my responsibility and to use a term from my old country "sorry but it's just not my cup of tea"
I only became involved in this thread because I saw what I thought was an ethical infraction of their proffessional responsibility as I see it, but I think you all already know what that feels like.
I ask because you have a unique perspective on this issue. Not necessarily more right or more wrong than anyone else's, but definitely unique.
Yes you are right and I am glad we have all had this discussion here, I don't profess to be right or wrong and 'am definitely far from perfect. It hasn't been easy for Nina to live with my uniqueness either and if that will make someone else happy then so be it.
AlwaysCurios
If you would like to get my opinion on any other issue besides Nina then please just message me.
Sincerely
Tim
I apologize to anyone if they have been offended by any of my views or comments as I have tried to remain as objective as possible.
TimJ wrote:
I will respond to this and then step away from this thread, I owe you this as I had previously reached out to you. What kind of penalty do you think would be a deterrent to doping today? I'm not referring to Nina here, past or present. But a deterrent to a 20-year old aspiring pro, and to a 35-year old established pro?
For a twenty year old aspiring Pro I don't think the length of any ban or severity of penalty other than $s in the form of a fine would make any difference, they would just finish college and get a real job. Of course they may return to longer course racing in later life but I guarantee he would only do it because it his passion and not for the money. Same thing for a 35 year old established pro except they would just go back to their original careers and make more money. The main problem beyond peoples ethics is not the extent of the punishment it is enforcement. I personally think that blood samples should also be kept for possible later testing, then the athlete would know that established or new drugs can and hopefully will be caught sooner or later. As a self confessed never race cheater I am happy with whatever the powers that be decide including a lifetime ban.
Would an an assured loss of fans/sponsors forever be enough? Public shaming on internet message boards for the rest of their careers? Or would less do the trick?
I think fans and sponsors will and should make their own decisions for their own reasons. Triathlon is still primarily a participation sport, kids aren't trading pro cards on our street corner just yet. Most people at these races have no idea who the person coming down the finish line is and are cheering them in recognition of what they may have done or gone through to get there, Google and Wikepedia are just a click away if anyone needs more info on someone. Few people come to a race to watch their professional heroes and most are there to support their own friends or family of who they are the real fans of. As far as public shaming on the internet of anyone I just don't see that as my responsibility and to use a term from my old country "sorry but it's just not my cup of tea"
I only became involved in this thread because I saw what I thought was an ethical infraction of their proffessional responsibility as I see it, but I think you all already know what that feels like.
I ask because you have a unique perspective on this issue. Not necessarily more right or more wrong than anyone else's, but definitely unique.
Yes you are right and I am glad we have all had this discussion here, I don't profess to be right or wrong and 'am definitely far from perfect. It hasn't been easy for Nina to live with my uniqueness either and if that will make someone else happy then so be it.
AlwaysCurios
If you would like to get my opinion on any other issue besides Nina then please just message me.
Sincerely
Tim
I apologize to anyone if they have been offended by any of my views or comments as I have tried to remain as objective as possible.