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Re: Something borrowed...something FAST! [Tom A.]
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So, in 2007, using the following inputs:

Area = .225 m^2
Cd = 1 (this plus the Area were obviously chosen to make the CdA product the measured .225 m^2)
Air Density = 1.08 kg/m^3
Mass = 84 kg
Crr = .004
Slope = 0
Power = 230W

That results in a predicted speed of 11.64 m/s, for a total time over the 37.1 km course of 53:07

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Well, the ROT says that should be equivalent to a CdA drop of .022 m^2, which would put my 2008 CdA at .203 m^2. Hmmm...does that number look familiar?? Pretty close to my measured .205 m^2, right?

If I plug a CdA of .205 m^2 into the calculator with my 2008 power it comes up with a speed of 12.08 m/s, which would be a predicted time of 51:11 vs. the 52:40 with a CdA of .225 m^2...or, about 1:30 faster. That's pretty darn close to the 1:22 difference calculated above, huh?

Now...I know the bike was different (Soloist vs. P2K), but measured CdA of the setup I ran last year was within .002 m^2 of what I measured for the P2K, so it's safe to say that I would've been the same speed on either bike. My position (as measured by the location of the "touch points" relative to the BB) was identical.
Hello Tom,

Thanks for the great info and specific calculations.

For me it seems that I can win much more speed by improving my CdA than by increasing my power numbers. How did you become so aero? Total weight bike + you = 84kg? What is your length? I am 69kg and 180cm and we ride the same speed in timetrials but I have to produce much more power. I did 3 timetrials last year and with 315 watts I did them with 41.5-43.0km/hour depending of wind and corners. I hope to increase my power to 350watts, my estimated gain would be 63s (28:22 to 27:19) on a 20km timetrial (11.75m/s to 12.20ms, CdA=0.28, Aird=1.226, Crr=0.004, weight=80kg). But you have a CdA of .225 m^2 and .205 m^2 that would be a much better goal for me because with a CdA of 0.225 and my last years poweroutput (315w) I could do a 20km in 26:29. That's sick fast and almost 2 minutes faster than with a CdA of 0.28. I always tought (till today) that those guys were out of my reach...

In august 2008 I want to do 350 watts for 30 minutes and I want to reduce my CdA to 0.26 m^2 (that's 45km/hour | 26:40 for a 20km) do you guys think a 69kg/180cm person can go to 0.23 m^2 (46.8km/hour | 25:40)?

I ride on a small road frame, fsa basebar+bars with zipp 404 + wheelcover, with skinsuit, giro atmos with cover, shoe covers, pro2race rear tire, zipp front tire and latex innertubes, flat back.

Hmmm, informative topic but maybe a very expensive one for me.
Because when I can buy a CdA of 0.23m^2, ooooh :-) :-) when is the P4C coming, hahaha :-) :-)
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