Quantcast
    MAIN INDEX RULES & LEGEND LOG IN  

Slowtwitch Forums: Triathlon Forum:
what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont?

 

First page Previous page 1 2 Next page Last page  View All  


mjpwooo

Jul 11, 10 18:33

Post #1 of 27 (4769 views)
what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? Quote | Reply

That hill is the only experience I have with climbing. I was wondering, do the tour guys basically ride Sugarloaf for 2 miles...multiple times in a stage?


JacquiAndBoudreaux

Jul 11, 10 20:13

Post #2 of 27 (4733 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [mjpwooo] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Quote:
what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont?


Freakin' steep.


Ivan Cool

******************************************
"And I wonder, still I wonder, who'll stop the rain?..."


mjpwooo

Jul 12, 10 9:42

Post #3 of 27 (4685 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [Jacki&Boudreaux] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

How does it compare to the tour stage on Sunday? Steeper?


steves

Jul 12, 10 12:40

Post #4 of 27 (4618 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [mjpwooo] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I have climbed that hill many times:) I think I have heard that it averages about 14% for 3/4 miles with the steepest part being about 17%. You may be able to do a search and find more specifics.


596

Jul 12, 10 12:59

Post #5 of 27 (4602 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [mjpwooo] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Its steep but not all that bad, since its short. I've done a ride there and went up and down 3-4 times and stayed seated with a 39 front ring. Don't get me wrong, it was hard. Even harder when that hill is toward the end of a long ride.

Tour guys ride for much longer climbs with some sections as steep as Sugarloaf or more and lots of sections that are the same as the flatter sections of Sugarloaf, for miles.

Don't go by "categories". Category ranking can change on any given climb depending on where the climb comes in a stage and what comes before it.

.
.
Paul


tigerpaws

Jul 12, 10 13:05

Post #6 of 27 (4592 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [mjpwooo] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

It's a great climb and at one point reaches somewhere near 15%. I wish Fred would run the Great Floridian through it 2x. Once at the beginning and once near the end. It's a humbler for Floridians without a doubt. It ate my ass up at the first GFT.


596

Jul 12, 10 13:17

Post #7 of 27 (4575 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [mjpwooo] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I THINK I just mapped it...........215 ft of elevation at 3/4 mile long = "about" 5.45% grade average ? Correct me if I am wrong : )

Thats not alot by tour standards. Don't think would even make a ranked climb. Thats a pretty normal sized climb where I live. I frequently encounter climbs at 4-6% for much longer then that. I"m sure the Alps and such are much longer and steeper overall.

.
.
Paul


(This post was edited by 596 on Jul 12, 10 13:19)


chaphill

Jul 12, 10 13:23

Post #8 of 27 (4555 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [mjpwooo] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

It's a good hill. I think some of the hills near the training center are steaper. Alpe d'huez is basically sugarloaf for 9 miles:)


oldtriman

Jul 12, 10 13:28

Post #9 of 27 (4547 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [climbcarolina] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Did this race in 2003, 2005 and 2006. Won my age group in 2005. This was before I got a garmin GPS for my bike. Not sure what the grade is but I only consider it a moderate climb and I climb many hills as hard or harder every week during the season. This would be a blimp on the map for all the cyclist in the TDF. It would need to be much longer to get catagorized. Also during the time frame I did the race it was a 2 loop course that went up sugarloaf and the other the hills twice. Being from Northwest PA the hills didn't bother me, it was always the hot temps. Its hard to go from training in average temps of 40 to 50 in October then race in 80 to 90 temps.


Considering going back this fall if IM Lake Placed goes well and can keep motivated to train a couple of more months.


596

Jul 12, 10 13:37

Post #10 of 27 (4535 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [mjpwooo] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Just mapped a climb near my house - 3,100 ft in 10.5 miles = about 5.6% grade. Thats near a climb the tour would do I hope ! After that section there's a 1/2 mile descent before another 4 miles or so section with another 1,300 ft of climbing to the top of Mingus Mtn at 7,200 ft .

That climb hurts alot!!

.
.
Paul


AutomaticJack

Jul 12, 10 13:39

Post #11 of 27 (4529 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [596] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

In Reply To:
I THINK I just mapped it...........215 ft of elevation at 3/4 mile long = "about" 5.45% grade average ? Correct me if I am wrong : )


If that is true, and it looks pretty close, that isn't much of a climb at all. I can do that on a 53/23 without standing up, and I am not exactly a great climber.


oldtriman

Jul 12, 10 13:55

Post #12 of 27 (4516 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [596] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

In Reply To:
I THINK I just mapped it...........215 ft of elevation at 3/4 mile long = "about" 5.45% grade average ? Correct me if I am wrong : )

Thats not alot by tour standards. Don't think would even make a ranked climb. Thats a pretty normal sized climb where I live. I frequently encounter climbs at 4-6% for much longer then that. I"m sure the Alps and such are much longer and steeper overall.



Yep, that seems about right. Like i stated before, haveing rode up the hill many times between 2003 and 2006 i don't consider it that hard.


ironmanrex

Jul 12, 10 14:12

Post #13 of 27 (4495 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [mjpwooo] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I measured it back in 2006. It is around 11% grade with a 20 yd section of 17% with a total length of about 1/2 mile.

If your in Clermont, check out the hill off of Steve'sRd/hwy 27. There is a fairly new sub-division that has Wilma Lake in it. There is a road don't know the name that has a sharper incline than Sugarloaf.

Rex


kmill23

Jul 12, 10 14:14

Post #14 of 27 (4492 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [mjpwooo] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I'd give it an A- to B+.


mcycle

Jul 12, 10 18:57

Post #15 of 27 (4423 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [mjpwooo] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

In Reply To:
That hill is the only experience I have with climbing. I was wondering, do the tour guys basically ride Sugarloaf for 2 miles...multiple times in a stage?

ProTour Riders would consider Sugarloaf a small bump in the road at best. I remember doing it during the Clermont Challenge- and the climb was over before it began- i.e. it's very, very short and I don't remember it being very steep- nothing like some posters are saying 15/17%. If it is that steep- it's probably that steep for only a handful of feet, and nothing sustained. Some of the climbs in this years tour are north of 10 miles long.


mjpwooo

Jul 12, 10 18:59

Post #16 of 27 (4422 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [kmill23] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Thanks, folks. I did GFT in 2005 (double loop) and '08. Planning to do GFT again this year. Just was curious how a hill like Sugarloaf would compare, that's all.

Really was I was curious about was how fast these guys climb up these mountains, with the average grade equal to (or greater than) Sugarloaf, and how effing hard I have thought it was. The ease that they seem to climb is incredible.


TriMarkL

Sep 28, 10 12:37

Post #17 of 27 (4261 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [mjpwooo] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Here is a photo I did this morning about half way up Sugarloaf. From where I am and the end of the road below is 3/4 of a mile. The 90 degree turn at the top of Sugarloaf is about another half mile behind me.

One of the things that makes Sugarloaf stand out is that people think that Florida is Panama City Beach flat. Being the highest point in peninsular Florida, Sugarloaf Mtn reminds people that Florida isn't so flat.

Earlier today on Sugarloaf Mtn in Clermont FL. http://twitpic.com/2stuy0


jager66

Sep 28, 10 12:50

Post #18 of 27 (4243 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [TriMarkL] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I remember seeing Sugarloaf for the first time and being somewhat surprised to find a bump like that in Florida...but, in the context of other climbs, both here in NC or out west in the "real mountains"...it is not particularly challenging (and no, it wouldn't begin to be a catagorized climb). 25-30 minute climbs that average 6% are common...

That said...hitting this little jewel at 100 miles on IM race day would suck, no doubt.


jess_d

Sep 28, 10 13:30

Post #19 of 27 (4212 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [ironmanrex] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

In Reply To:
I measured it back in 2006. It is around 11% grade with a 20 yd section of 17% with a total length of about 1/2 mile.

If your in Clermont, check out the hill off of Steve'sRd/hwy 27. There is a fairly new sub-division that has Wilma Lake in it. There is a road don't know the name that has a sharper incline than Sugarloaf.

Rex

+1 - around 11 - 12% grade for most of it.



http://jesse.centuries.com


SProboscis

Sep 28, 10 13:52

Post #20 of 27 (4182 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [Chowbacca] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

He doesnt do that anymore? The GFT used to include 2x sugarloaf.


Chappy

Sep 28, 10 13:55

Post #21 of 27 (4178 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [jager66] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

My experience as well. Just not expecting it. 2nd is its setting. It is sort of visually intimidating without and trees or ground cover to speak of it sticks out of the landscape like an obelisk.


jking11

Sep 29, 10 10:34

Post #22 of 27 (4097 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [Chappy] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I need to get over there and try it. My wife thought it was tough, but she doesn't do anything more than a causeway over here on the coast. Hills are tough to come by in Florida!


triguy42

Oct 18, 10 10:02

Post #23 of 27 (3988 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [jking11] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I think ironmanrex has a pretty good handle on the climb. I measured the center section at about 15-20% grade with an inclinometer, but that's only for 20-30 yards. It's enough to bring you to a halt if you can't easily put out over 300W though. IIRC it's about 8-9% average grade for ~350ft total climbing. Technically it's about 3/4 of a mile long, but the low slope start (3% or so) takes up quite a bit of that...and is just enough to slow you down to your bottom gear. Last time I went up it, it took me about 345W at 50-60rpm in a 40/23. It would take 450W in a 52/23 to do that, for about 4 minutes. I'd love to see anyone but a serious racer do that in the middle of a 12 hour racing day without really hurting themselves. I can do 400W for 4 minutes easy, but I sure wouldn't want to do it on race day, especially with all the other hills in the course!

FYI I rode 3 loops of the course a couple of weeks back and the total climbing was around 4500ft. IIRC that's almost as much as Lake Placid or Cour deAlene. The GFT is not for wussies. Smile


Charter Member - HED Mafia Mad


KJGrog

Oct 18, 10 11:14

Post #24 of 27 (3954 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [triguy42] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

What is the "Jenkins Jinx" & why is everyone around Clermont talking about it this week?


Slow_Nole

Oct 18, 10 16:49

Post #25 of 27 (3867 views)
Re: what is the grade for Sugarloaf in Clermont? [mjpwooo] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Is a tri or road bike set up preferable for this course? I'm considering entering next year and I can only train on the flat roads of South Florida.

First page Previous page 1 2 Next page Last page  View All  
 
 
 



Your Racing Helmet
What helmet brand do you anticipate most often using while racing in triathlons?
Giro
Rudy Project
Specialized
Louis Garneau
Lazer
Bell
Kask
Casco
Other