I know they filed the same for leaders of Hamas. I would think given the video evidence they would be a slam dunk.

The case against Hamas appears to be a slam dunk. They basically brag about what they are accused of.

I am not seeing the same for Bibi or Gallant. Israel has a long history of whistleblowers so perhaps they will have some testimony but currently I am not seeing a deliberate strategy of war crimes by Israel.

https://www.bbc.com/...rticles/cp66e6ppzd0o

Blinken indicates support for sanctions against the ICC.

If they go nuclear and lock the members out of the financial system it'll make life hard for them

Recognition of Palestinian State be an interesting few weeks


Just to preempt windy and chad - I know Ireland, Scandanavia are in irrelevance, that this is a move supporting Hamas etc etc

Hard to think of a better gift to China, Russia, and other bad actors on the world stage than doing what you want.

But of course you want to provide a gift to them in service of hypocrisy.

I think the likelyhood of that happening is pretty much zero, it is literally endorsing an end to any restrictions on a countries behavior and the rules based system we have generally all worked within post WWII (irrespective of signing up to the ICC)

Sanctions on the ICC would effectively be carte blanche as there are no other avenues of recourse unless we are expecting the Russian, Chinese and Iranian judicial systems to reign in their bad actors, or even worse we make a determination that the rules apply to them but not to others.

Applying for arrest warrants and getting them are two completely different actions and I doubt very much even the US wants to be seen to pre-emptively threaten an international institution other countries accept unnecessarily.

Of course, this combined with three more countries recognition of Palestine will just bring out the same tired arguments; its not the right time, the process needs to be agreed (the most disingenuous argument ever given that not agreeing is the desired outcome of the current Israeli government and Hamas - in that sense they both agree on one thing), its rewarding Hamas etc

The reality is there will never be an acceptable time for countries to recognise Palestine in the views of Netanyahu, Gvir and Smotrich and their settlers because they fundamentally dont agree it should exist, so without some definitive action - which they will never agree to - nothing will change

Your responses stole the words out of my mouth.

This is another example of both corruption and tyranny in the name of religion, but its really just a capitulation to keep Netanyahu in power.

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/nepotism-at-work-the-committee-to-appoint-rabbinical-judges/?_gl=1*1s83o2q*_ga*OTE1MzgyNzE4LjE3MDk1ODgzMzE.*_ga_RJR2XWQR34*MTcxNjQ3OTE1NC4xOS4xLjE3MTY0NzkyMTMuMC4wLjA.


What has amazed me in learning more about israel over the last year is the lack of set rules or even norms. When Israel was founded, everybody wanted it to be a democracy with some sort of charter/constitution to put the rules. But more religious stakeholders objected in what is known as Ben Gurion's compromise. That compromise is what may well end it as a democracy.


https://israeled.org/resources/documents/david-ben-gurion-and-the-status-quo-agreement-jewish-laws-to-be-protected-in-the-coming-state/#:~:text=The%20Status-Quo%20Agreement%20is%20an%20understanding%20reached%20between,coming%20state%20specific%20Jewish%20laws%20will%20be%20protected.


A secular gov't's politics is driven by the strongest popular objectives of the populist. For the most part there is a rational basis for every decision, even if its wrong morally, legally, or whatever. An autocracy is driven by the political whims of people claiming divine inspiration. There is no rational goal or outcome for those that don't share those exact views. I mean, we can all agree that certain behavior is abhorrent. Would anybody here want to live in a society where your divorce, will execution, or rights to citizenship are officiated/determined by religous fundamentalist? Does anybody believe they would stop here? Read the link above about Ben Gurion's compromise. While most democracies have become less religious, Israel has gotten more, and more extreme. At some point there will be a reckoning of whether it's a secular democracy or a theocracy limiting rights of those who are not of a specific sect of their religion.

I am sort of astonished at the lack of response either way to today

On the other hand, I'm not surprised at the lack of response who do not think those institutions matter

Whether or not you agree with ICJ, ICC or counties recognising a state of Palestine should exist, the continued behaviour of those who've abdicated responsibilities by arguing it should be agreed via the two states involved whilst ignoring the asymmetry in power is over.

Windy and his girlfriend chad, and others, will argue it's anti semites or anti Zionists who are leading the charge but maybe, just maybe, the world is getting increasingly tired of people behaving as apologists for genuine racists who would never engage in any solution to the problem and who continue to argue that Israel is a good faith actor........🤷‍♂️

Perhaps once the ICJ orders the "Palestinian State" to reign in its cross border terrorism I could come around to seeing their order to Israel as unbiased and legitimate.

(I don't have to even get into the President of the Court tweeting: "#Israel Occupation of #Gaza and the #WestBank. UNHAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU 48 YEARS OF OCCUPATION.")

It's always someone elses fault, eh

If only they did a little more, if only, I don't know, they'd not been kept in an open prison, if only ......

I've not seen any outrage on your part with respect to the fruit loop religious zealots that currently run Israel who genuinely believe they've a divine right to the land

I'm just to prove satires not dead, I live in what might have been once, the most theocratic state on earth but your still apologising for the current one and it's leaders and somehow, as always, it's someone else's fault. That almost makes you a liberal

Which borders? Define the Palestinian territory that you recognise.

Deduct three points for not realizing Hamas's attack was inside Israel no matter what borders one chooses to use (assuming you think Israel should exist).

If you're going to try to be cute try to be correct

Typical deflection.

You referenced cross-border, but that’s irrelevant. It is a genuine question regarding your views on which border is pertinent.

Your ad hominem attacks instead of engaging in genuine discourse is indicative of an insecure intellect, nothing more. I forgot you’re the forum equivalent of the drunk in the bar trying to catch someone’s eye to start a fight.

Enjoy your weekend.

Well your question was irrelevant since the cross border attacks in October would have been into Israel proper no matter what border you prefer.

Personally I'm okay with the current borders since Jordan seems to not want the land back.

Egypt should take back responsibility for Gaza (everyone always forgets about Egypt when bashing Israel for some reason).

I don't think Israel will ever give back the Golan Heights for strategic defense purposes nor do I think they should.

Jerusalem is a sticking point. The easiest solution would be to turn it into a city state under Papal Authority or Swiss control. That would make both sides upset with means it's a good compromise