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Re: FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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jkhayc wrote:
Nutella wrote:
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No I didn’t. Nobody else seems to have either. Stop lying.


Guess you missed this



SBF has been in the closet and now wants the world to know he is a Republican.

Good grief are you being a complete moron. It must be on purpose because I know you’re intelligent.

Not only that, but the article Nutella posted says the prosecution is using the silly hairbrained memo SBF wrote against him to show that he is not sorry and still trying to manipulate people to spin things.

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The list of ideas, prosecutors said, was evidence Bankman-Fried was "motivated to launch his redemption narrative and has already been thinking about how to spin it" — and should therefore get a long prison sentence.

US District Judge Lewis Kaplan will weigh prosecutors' memo against one by Bankman-Fried's lawyers, who asked for a sentence of no more than about six years.
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Re: FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried [mattbk] [ In reply to ]
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BREAKING: Bankman-Fried Gets 25 Years For FTX Fraud
By Rachel Scharf

FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried was sentenced in Manhattan federal court Thursday to 25 years in prison for stealing more than $11 billion from customers, investors and lenders of his now-collapsed cryptocurrency empire.

U.S. District Judge Lewis A. Kaplan ordered the hefty prison term for Bankman-Fried, who was convicted of fraud, conspiracy and money laundering at a November trial. The 32-year-old former billionaire maintains his innocence and has vowed to appeal.

https://www.law360.com/...lsidx=0&nlaidx=0

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Re: FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried [ironclm] [ In reply to ]
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With good behavior and influence, he's probably out in 15.

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Re: FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried [ironclm] [ In reply to ]
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From what I read today the fact that some of his risky bets are paying off means that most of his investors he swindled will be made whole. This probably helped him at sentencing.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
From what I read today the fact that some of his risky bets are paying off means that most of his investors he swindled will be made whole. This probably helped him at sentencing.


That is not what happened. The new replacement CEO has worked to recover funds in any way possible. He excoriated SBF to the judge for claiming what you posted.

https://www.bloomberg.com/...ms-in-fiery-rebuttal

https://cryptoslate.com/...bfs-solvency-claims/
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Re: FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
From what I read today the fact that some of his risky bets are paying off means that most of his investors he swindled will be made whole. This probably helped him at sentencing.

Furthermore, even if this were the case why in the world would it benefit SBF. Even if it accidentally paid out it was illegal to even attempt with other people's money. Whether his illegal actions resulted in profit are irrelevant. He stole the money. This guy told his employees if there was a 50/50 chance for making the world better or blowing it up he would place the bet.
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Re: FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried [mattbk] [ In reply to ]
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I just posted what I read in an article this morning. Didn’t grab the link.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
From what I read today the fact that some of his risky bets are paying off means that most of his investors he swindled will be made whole.

The benchmark for "made whole" in this case has generally been whether their asset value as marked-to-market around the end of '22 (when FTX collapsed) can be returned as cash. Considering what's happened to financial markets (especially crypto) since then, that's an incredibly low bar, and the clients will likely lose a ton from opportunity cost even if they get a >100% payout.
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Re: FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
I just posted what I read in an article this morning. Didn’t grab the link.

Yeah, SBF is a bullshitter. The positives are from the fixer CEO. He was the Enron fixer.
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Re: FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried [mattbk] [ In reply to ]
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Well there was a few things mentioned that SBF did. Put a bunch of money into some AI company. It’s up about 200%

Solana is up big time.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried [HTupolev] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
From what I read today the fact that some of his risky bets are paying off means that most of his investors he swindled will be made whole.

The benchmark for "made whole" in this case has generally been whether their asset value as marked-to-market around the end of '22 (when FTX collapsed) can be returned as cash. Considering what's happened to financial markets (especially crypto) since then, that's an incredibly low bar, and the clients will likely lose a ton from opportunity cost even if they get a >100% payout.

Yes, the people SBF stole from want interest based on opportunity cost or what could have been made. Getting back 100% is akin to having just stuffed it under the mattress and allowed depreciation from inflation.
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Re: FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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Well there was a few things mentioned that SBF did. Put a bunch of money into some AI company. It’s up about 200%

Solana is up big time.

He also lost a shitload of the money. Just because a few may return a bit doesn't in any way lessen the fact he stole the money.

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“As the lead professional of a very large team who has spent over a year stewarding the estate from a metaphorical dumpster fire to a debtor-in-possession approaching a confirmed plan of reorganization that will return substantial value to creditors, I can assure the Court that each of these statements is categorically, callously and demonstrably false,” Ray said.

Ray said that his team had to spend “thousands of hours” dedicated to “digging through the rubble of Mr. Bankman-Fried’s sprawling criminal enterprise to unearth every possible dollar, token or other asset that was spent on luxury homes, private jets, overpriced speculative ventures and otherwise lost to the four winds.”

According to the letter, FTX only had 105 bitcoins left on the FTX.com exchange when Ray took over. Customer claims neared 100,000 bitcoins.

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“Recoveries to customers and creditors depends entirely on the voluntary subordination of over $9 billion in governmental claims for fines and penalties otherwise payable as a result of Mr. Bankman-Fried’s crimes,” he said.

Bankman-Fried lives a life of “delusion” if he believes that FTX was either solvent or safe when he left in November of 2022, Ray added.

Despite certain assets or investments rising in value — like FTX’s stake in Anthropic — Ray believes that the court should look closely at the damage done to former customers through the mismanagement of the exchange.

“I can clearly reflect on that time and I am quite confident that but for the work of a very large team of dedicated individuals, billions of dollars would have been lost or stolen and the recoveries to customers would be a fraction of their expected recovery,” he added.

https://blockworks.co/...on-government-claims
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Re: FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried [mattbk] [ In reply to ]
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For some reason you seem to think I am defending the shitbag.

I am merely pointing out that had some of these bets not paid off he’d likely have received a much harsher sentence.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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For some reason you seem to think I am defending the shitbag.

I am merely pointing out that had some of these bets not paid off he’d likely have received a much harsher sentence.

Definitely didnt mean to imply that. I was pointing out that the vast majority of recovered funds had nothing to do with any speculative bet that didn't go bad. It was due to the horde of people working with Ray through bankruptcy. With 9 billion missing a few investments that went up were small comparatively. He made many very poor investments that he also vastly overpaid for in acquisitions, putting vast amounts of "goodwill" on the balance sheet. Plus I was disagreeing that any old bet that ended up appreciating would help him get out of jail earlier. Stealing money to gamble doesnt make it any less wrong if your gamble accidentally pays off. Rob someone and go to the casino. Your sentence shouldnt be lighter because you got blackjack or did well on craps in hindsight, or you placed a big bet on the underdog in sports and it clawed back some of the money you lost.
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