Yes. It's a broad term, but all of the conduct that it covers is pretty clearly defined by the rest of the definition. You can't pick out words you don't like and then complain that the term is too broad.

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''The enemy isn't conservatism. The enemy isn't liberalism. The enemy is bulls**t.''

—Lars-Erik Nelson

Social. Media.

It’s not the word that I don’t like.

I give up.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

Seems like social media predates this phenomenon by a good many years. Let's face it, the concern is a woman will be believed over a man (Anita Hill vs. Clarence Thomas, Clinton and his accuser type deal) when in the past that was rarely the case.

It's actually the majority of instances I've seen. Usually, it plays out this way:

1. Guy flirts or hits on girl
2. Girl tries not to hurt guys feelings, but doesn't encourage the conduct
3. Guy doesn't get the hint
4. Girl complains to HR (or manager or main boss)
5. HR (or manager or main boss) talks to guy (no discipline, no termination)
6. Conduct stops
7. Everybody is satisfied and eventually the awkwardness between the two goes away.

I know this because our HR department keeps me apprised of complaints/issues, even when there is a low chance of it turning into a charge of discrimination or a lawsuit. Usually, when I have to get involved, it's because the conduct is considerably more severe and/or pervasive, and the guy won't give it a rest OR we've done all we think is warranted, but the woman won't let it go until he gets fired, so she sues us for not doing enough. Fortunately, neither of these types of situations happens very often. Usually, if the woman doesn't feel comfortable enough to deal with the guy directly, HR or the manager does a good job of making it all clear. We'd prefer that people be able to confront each other respectfully in these situations, but it isn't always the case.

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''The enemy isn't conservatism. The enemy isn't liberalism. The enemy is bulls**t.''

—Lars-Erik Nelson

If only we could all be as smart as Duffy thinks he is . . . .

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''The enemy isn't conservatism. The enemy isn't liberalism. The enemy is bulls**t.''

—Lars-Erik Nelson

Just curious how often, if ever, you get cases where the roles are reversed (i.e., she's harassing him)?

I have never had one. Have had a few same sex harassment cases, though.

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''The enemy isn't conservatism. The enemy isn't liberalism. The enemy is bulls**t.''

—Lars-Erik Nelson

I’m not one who claims to be smart. I know full well that I’m an idiot.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

I could write a tome. Summarized (please give me the benefit of the doubt that I've given these things much more thought than presented here), it's not just a "national cause du jour," and that minimization is obtuse. These social movements have legs and will shape things to come for a long time, and for the better. I'm unwilling, however, to sacrifice humans (which are, by definition, imperfect and bumbling) upon an altar whose position is under the control of those who want to use and benefit from it. It all goes back to an idea of a lack of due process (even though we're not in a court of law). There's simply too little to protect the wrongfully accused from the social feeding frenzy (well put, by the way).

Sorry to not give you a better answer but I'm trying to close a deal and I'm just too distracted to give your questions the time they and these issues deserve. If we were in the same city (I'm assuming you're not in San Diego) I'd invite you for a beer to discuss in more detail.

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War is god

Is this like when you freely and fervently offer up post after post after post bitching about Dems/Obama/Clinton, etc... and then when someone calls you on washing Trump's balls so much, you try to protest that you really really pinky swear you hate the GOP too ~ only the veneer of conviction is suspiciously thin to anyone who notices how seldomly you voluntarily complain about the Right, except when attempting to pretend you're balanced and objective about both sides?

At least Forge didn't try to hide from owning his self-importance.

I don't think anyone wants to see some one wronged by a false accusation. What you seem to be saying is that the threat of that is so great that we should....what?

I guess you’ve never bothered to read my opinions on Christians, pro lifers, drug war warriors, cops, the Republican Party, Trump, Pence, anti-gay politicians, etc. etc....

I generally comment on what presented here and what’s presented here is a daily barrage of hysterical Trump/Hitler/Rapist bullshit.

You really need to read what I write and NOT read into what you think I mean.

I was asked in another thread if I thought Trump was a national embarrassment and my answer was “yes”.

Never got a response to that. It seems like every time I criticize Trump or Republicans it’s ignored.

Look at my comments in the GOP tax plan threads. It’s a POS bill.

Ask me my opinion on anything specific and I will answer you specifically.

As for Trump, some of his policies I agree with, others I don’t. I’ve been one of the most ardent and vocal critic of his immigration policy, for example.

But you guys will just continue to ignore it.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

well then you would do well to watch the video I posted for you, gain even a cursory understanding of harassment rules and liabilities, and train your staff.

you're welcome by the way.

You have far too much faith in people. Lots of people want to see someone wronged by a false accusation. Criminal defendants want to see cops burn. Jilted lovers want to see their former paramour go down. Someone who was fairly passed over for a promotion want the person who earned the promotion to disappear. Accusations are the new weapon in this social war and they're available to everybody. Even if an accusation is eventually proven to be false (assuming there's ever any inquiry in the first place), nobody in this too-fast-paced culture ever listens until the end of a story. All people remember is the salacious accusation. (What's the saying? "A lie will make it halfway across the world before the truth has time to even tie its shoes," or something like that.)


Exercise restraint (good luck with that, though). Amend defamation per se laws (Google it) to include false accusations. I know, I'm expecting far too much from people. I can hope, though.

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War is god