We all know that N.K. is a crap country and Jong is a dictator but Trump now claims they are exporting terror. W. Bush took N.K. off the list and now out of the blue Trump has put them back on despite the UN saying other wise. Personally, I'd suspect that Trump is pulling this out of his ass again but maybe some of your Trumpsters can enlighten me where he is getting his facts from in case I'm wrong?
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Re: OK Don, where's your evidence [cerveloguy]
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Dude, we get it. Trump bad, little dictator rocket man good. Go back to your nap.
Re: OK Don, where's your evidence [dvfmfidc]
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dvfmfidc wrote:
Dude, we get it. Trump bad, little dictator rocket man good. Go back to your nap.You obviously don't get it. Yes, NK is a serious concern and their idiotic dictator is isolating them from the rest of the world, but let's see the proof that they have been exporting terror.
Re: OK Don, where's your evidence [cerveloguy]
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...uggling-network.html
It's amazing what you can find in under a minute. TLDR version: The UN.
It's amazing what you can find in under a minute. TLDR version: The UN.
Re: OK Don, where's your evidence [cerveloguy]
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I guess you forgot about his use of chemical weapons
Re: OK Don, where's your evidence [windywave]
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windywave wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/8129670/North-Korea-runs-international-nuclear-smuggling-network.html It's amazing what you can find in under a minute. TLDR version: The UN.
Isn't that sanctions busting rather than terrorism?
One might be able to make a better case for cyber-terrorism.
Re: OK Don, where's your evidence [cerveloguy]
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Re: OK Don, where's your evidence [cerveloguy]
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The question of whether they are, in fact, sponsoring terrorism is really beside the point. The only question that matters is whether putting them back on the list conveys benefit or risk. I'm inclined to think it wasn't the most carefully thought out decision, but who really knows.
The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W
The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W
Re: OK Don, where's your evidence [cerveloguy]
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cerveloguy wrote:
We all know that N.K. is a crap country and Jong is a dictator but Trump now claims they are exporting terror. W. Bush took N.K. off the list and now out of the blue Trump has put them back on despite the UN saying other wise. Personally, I'd suspect that Trump is pulling this out of his ass again but maybe some of your Trumpsters can enlighten me where he is getting his facts from in case I'm wrong?I think you are giving him too much credit. I don't think he has the mental capacity to come up with anything on his own. I think he hears things said to him and interprets them however the hell he wants.
Re: OK Don, where's your evidence [cerveloguy]
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Do you consider cyber terrorism to be terrorism?
Re: OK Don, where's your evidence [sphere]
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The only question that matters is whether putting them back on the list conveys benefit or risk.
No, no no. Trump said China will take care of them by break off banking relationships with NK, thanks to Trump.
“I applaud China for breaking off all banking relationships with North Korea, something that people would have thought unthinkable even two months ago,”
Umm, no, I mean the military orders with Japan will do it?
..."Donald Trump has said large Japanese orders for US-made military equipment will help it counter the threat from North Korean ballistic missiles..."
Ok, ok, the new sanctions will definitely work.
Thanks Trump.
No, no no. Trump said China will take care of them by break off banking relationships with NK, thanks to Trump.
“I applaud China for breaking off all banking relationships with North Korea, something that people would have thought unthinkable even two months ago,”
Umm, no, I mean the military orders with Japan will do it?
..."Donald Trump has said large Japanese orders for US-made military equipment will help it counter the threat from North Korean ballistic missiles..."
Ok, ok, the new sanctions will definitely work.
Thanks Trump.
Re: OK Don, where's your evidence [Greg66]
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windywave wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/8129670/North-Korea-runs-international-nuclear-smuggling-network.html It's amazing what you can find in under a minute. TLDR version: The UN.
Isn't that sanctions busting rather than terrorism?
One might be able to make a better case for cyber-terrorism.
Didn't realize nuclear weapons proliferation to state sponsors and quasi-state sponors of terrorism is just blockade running. My bad.
Re: OK Don, where's your evidence [windywave]
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windywave wrote:
Greg66 wrote:
windywave wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/8129670/North-Korea-runs-international-nuclear-smuggling-network.html It's amazing what you can find in under a minute. TLDR version: The UN.
Isn't that sanctions busting rather than terrorism?
One might be able to make a better case for cyber-terrorism.
Didn't realize nuclear weapons proliferation to state sponsors and quasi-state sponors of terrorism is just blockade running. My bad.
Based on the absence of the word "terrorism" in the article, nor did the author of that piece.
"Sanctions" is in there a few times though.
Re: OK Don, where's your evidence [sphere]
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The only question that matters is whether putting them back on the list conveys benefit or risk. I'm inclined to think it wasn't the most carefully thought out decision, but who really knows.
I'm always amazed at how many people continue to believe that sanctions against countries for developing a nuclear program actually work.
In the late 1980's, the U.S implemented sanctions against Pakistan to stop them from proceeding with a nuclear program and the result was that they have a nuclear weapon. Then, the U.S (and UN) passed sanctions against Iran to stop them from pursuing a nuclear weapon and that did nothing to stop them. The only thing that might have stopped them was Obama's agreement which of course the Right opposed because it would open the door to them developing a nuclear weapon, despite the fact that they were close to developing one after years of sanctions. Go figure.
And here we go again but this time, I'm sure they will work.
I'm always amazed at how many people continue to believe that sanctions against countries for developing a nuclear program actually work.
In the late 1980's, the U.S implemented sanctions against Pakistan to stop them from proceeding with a nuclear program and the result was that they have a nuclear weapon. Then, the U.S (and UN) passed sanctions against Iran to stop them from pursuing a nuclear weapon and that did nothing to stop them. The only thing that might have stopped them was Obama's agreement which of course the Right opposed because it would open the door to them developing a nuclear weapon, despite the fact that they were close to developing one after years of sanctions. Go figure.
And here we go again but this time, I'm sure they will work.
Re: OK Don, where's your evidence [cerveloguy]
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So you trust the UN ? Ok
Re: OK Don, where's your evidence [cerveloguy]
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You should really get some counselling, clearly your watch CNN & Fox too much. Maybe you've switched to American politics because even the CBC is starting to shit on your great white knight, son of Castro - oh, sorry Pierre and his great team of down to earth 1%'ers that are helping out the middle class by lightening their wallets?
Oh yeah, instead you have your knickers in a knot over the orange idiot you have no right to vote against in an election. Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant!
Oh yeah, instead you have your knickers in a knot over the orange idiot you have no right to vote against in an election. Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant!
Re: OK Don, where's your evidence [cerveloguy]
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You don't think Iran has built those nukes without any help do you?
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."
"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."
Re: OK Don, where's your evidence [cerveloguy]
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Re: OK Don, where's your evidence [jkca1]
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jkca1 wrote:
You don't think Iran has built those nukes without any help do you?Russia. Iran got (gets) its knowledge from Russia - that's public information.
North Korea - not exactly a hotbed of higher learning - got its start from Pakistan.
Iran and North Korea may trade bits and pieces, though.
So why not declare Russia and Pakistan as sponsors of terror? Because geopolitics is fucking complex, I guess.
Re: OK Don, where's your evidence [sphere]
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So this time, he will really nuke Guam , Japan, or New York? Instead of just threatening to do it?
Re: OK Don, where's your evidence [dvfmfidc]
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dvfmfidc wrote:
So this time, he will really nuke Guam , Japan, or New York? Instead of just threatening to do it?Are you talking about Trump or the other Dear Leader?
A simple Google search for "North Korea weapons exports" turns up plenty of evidence.