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Magic was better at his position that Lebron is at his. Magic had 11.2 assists per game, better than any other point guard in history. That alone is a good argument for him being the best point guard ever, but then throw on top of that 19.5 points a game and 7.2 rebounds a game, which is well above and beyond the expected contributions for that position (compare that to Stockton with 10.5 assists, 13.1 pts, and 2.7 rebs a game).


LeBron still might be the better basketball player, just sayin'..........

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Mr. Bill Russell has an issue with your point...

MJ was never down by 20 in the NBA Finals ...

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James and Jordan are certainly among the best. However the GOAT was Kareem Abdul Jabbar. 6 championships, 6 MVPs, 19 time all-star. Plus 3 NCAA championships. He was so dominate in college they made the Alcindor rule that banned dunking. He developed his almost unstoppable sky hook due to that. 11 times on the NBA all defensive team as well.

At the time of his retirement in 1989, Abdul-Jabbar was the NBA's all-time leader in points scored (38,387), games played (1,560), minutes played (57,446), field goals made (15,837), field goal attempts (28,307), blocked shots (3,189), defensive rebounds (9,394), career wins (1,074).

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Poor Kobe...

You probably think that soccer players are actually soft too.


People think soccer players are soft because soccer players are soft.

Nah, he didn't work hard enough on defense.

I always thought you were smarter than that. My bad...

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I'm with you for picking Lew Alcindor. But if the mark is number of championships, as stated in the OP, Bill Russell is the man:


From wikipedia

Russell, however, was not a big scorer and was know primarily for defense and rebounding.

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Russell:
It doesn't take much to get UNC to win a NCAA championship. Or UCLA. Russell won 2 NCAA titles with the University of San Francisco! They won 60 games in a row from 54 to 56. I didn't realize USF still existed - I thought they were absorbed by SFSU.
I can't think of anything comparable.

Well, he was partly known for that because he prioritized team wins over numbers. 13.4 FG attempts per game over his career, compare that to Wilt (22.5) and Kareem (18.1). The Celtics of the 50's and 60's didn't run their offense through Russell, even though when they needed him (as in the 7-game Philly series against Wilt in '62 when the final five games--3 wins, 2 losses--he averaged 26 points and 26 rebounds). Russell said many times he was fine playing second fiddle to Cousy and, later, Havlicek because those two were among the best and most innovative scorers in NBA history, all he cared about was a W at the end of the night.

I'd never put Russell up there on pure talent with Wilt/Kareem or the dominant forwards like Jordan or Lebron, and his era left a lot to be desired--playing against a bunch of 5'9" white dudes was a little different than the game today. But when talking about the best 'winners' in sports he's always at the top of my list, cause no matter where he was or what his role was (he was a player-coach for a number of years) his teams got the big trophy at the end of the year, over and over again.

Russell said many times he was fine playing second fiddle to Cousy

Cousy also won a national title while playing for a small Jesuit college (Holy Cross). USF is a Jesuit college - awesome location, right next to GG park. I think Gonzaga is also Jesuit.

MJ also knew how to take it to the hoop and score against taller and stronger players. I've watched LeBron over the years, and when he is the bigger guy, sure, he looks impressive. But when he takes it to the rim against an equally-sized or bigger player, he misses, a lot. I'd like to see official stats on his FG% in those cases. Look at Game 1 replays of his misses. It was the same last year, and previous years. So from that perspective, he doesn't rank up there for me. He's kind of like Shaq - he's great when he has the physical mismatch on his side, but otherwise, I'm not crazy about him.

Yes it is. As is Georgetown.

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Lebron could win 7 or more rings but for many will never surpass Jordan simply because Jordan was the greatest even before he won a championship. He broke the mold that Lebron will never break. Its like someone winning more cups than Gretzky, but Jordan and Gretz are Gods.

LBJ is the most self-aggrandizing of anyone else mentioned in this thread. I can't believe this is even a discussion topic, honestly. He'll never be MJ......and, he's not even the best player on the floor LAST NIGHT (much less GOAT).

To me.
You compare Lebron to Magic. They are more comparable. They are looking to make what they think the right play is, vs being the person to score and carry the team.
MJ is considered the GOAT more for his stretch of 6 championships, in those years, not counting his break, and him mentally dominating his own teammates and opponents. Lebron wants to be friendly and get along with everyone off the court and even on it.

However Lebron's streak of getting to the finals for the past 6 years now is pretty strong. If he played in the western conference that would be even more impressive since he really doesn't have a challenge in the east. So going against a western conference team and losing strengthens that image of playing in a lessor conference. But he can't control who he plays.

Well I think this has been definitively answered . . . Maybe LeBron should take his talents to Golden State so he can win another ring

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Right because no kids want to be like James That's a pretty flawed argument for GOAT. But if you want to blame it on that then maybe he should've reconsidered "the Decision".


As opposed to James who quits during games, you know "chill time".

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