I wasn't defending or attacking anyone. I was just saying that Trump won because of the peculiarities of the electoral college. If we had a popular vote or if electors were allocated in a more proportional manner Hillary Clinton would have won. You are correct that everyone knew and agreed to the rules going in.

I support the National Popular Vote Bill. If ratified by states representing 270 electoral votes, elections will effectively be decided by popular vote without amending our constitution.

Trump won the electoral college. These so called "peculiarities" have always been the rules. What people have been explaining here ad naseum (but still doesn't seem to be sinking in) is that different rules to the game would have resulted in a different campaign and a different election.

It's like looking at a basketball game and saying "oh, if we had been counting assists instead of points, my team would have won." Yeah, and if we were counting assists instead of points both teams would have played a whole different game, too.

Well, considering he is constantly being accused of colluding with the Russians to influence the election, I'll let him talk about it also.

Along those lines, what's the end game of the investigation? Will there be a recount? An emergency election? Will Hillary just be anointed President?

Trumps alleged collusion with Russia should be investigated. If he is guilty he should be removed from office or resign in disgrace like Nixon did. Pence would take over unless he too is guilty or otherwise ineligible in which case it would go to Speaker of the House Paul Ryan.

All true, if our election was run differently candidates would use different strategies. Trump might have won anyway, we will never know but it is hard for me to imagine Trump ever winning in a popular or more proportional election. Then again if we had a more democratic (small d) way of choosing presidents the GOP might have chosen a different candidate altogether.

We spend so much time in the LR debating about the election results, electoral college, and the Russian Influence...we really should be debating how to change the system so we have two solid candidates to choose from! How the F did we end up w Hillary and Trump. That's gotta change.

It is reality TV not a game show

Great story.... did you have a point?

Well played

"I support the National Popular Vote Bill."

You're an idiot who obviously failed every civics and US history class you ever took.

Yup

Remember when people were blaming Russia for weird weather? This is the new level of stupid...

There's a highschool cheering squad practicing nearby?

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That's Hillary catching Bill ogling Ivanka at Trump's inauguration.

No joke.

The look on her face...

"Really? Here? Now? Jeez..."

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So did misogyny play a roll in her loss?

Yes, the fact that her husband is a misogynist and she defended him, and attacked his victims, absolutely played a roll in her loss.

That was a big factor with the women I know who didn't vote for her.

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we hope?


Just following along that there are active investigations into what role the Russians played in influencing the election.

Irregardless of political position, I would think it it would be extraordinarily concerning to anyone, that another country meddled in the elections of another country and in some way influenced the outcome - yes/no?

I said "we hope" - characterize me as a naive optimist that, that was NOT the case, and that the elections were run without, outside influence. I truly hope, that for the United Sates sake, that is what the situation was.

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I interpret ad hominem attacks as the attacker not having a good argument. If I'm an idiot than I'm in pretty good company. Most Americans including most Republicans think future presidential elections should be decided by popular vote. Republican Newt Gingrich and Libertarian Bob Barr are both supporters the National Popular Vote Bill even though the electoral college favored conservatives in two of the last five presidential elections. But feel free to defend a system that guarantees that most people's votes don't count and makes our government less democratic rather than more.