Seems a bit hyperbolic - 'Tusk goes after Trump'. He just said what everyone knows: Trump isn't gonna play ball with the EU, the days of the US carrying water for those nations is over. If they want their socialist utopias while they look down their noses at Americans then they need to provide their own military support.

Tusk was not one of Fleetwood Mac's better efforts.

I'm glad they are realizing it.

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"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden

If they want their socialist utopias while they look down their noses at Americans then they need to provide their own military support.

The U.S doesn't provide military support out of kindness, they do it first to make money and second for American security interests.

I think he is either talking about the bird watching billionaire from House of Cards

or the rapper in a Black Mirror episode.

The EU need to keep their own house in order. Much of Europe are tired of the unelected bureaucrats telling them how they must live their lives, spend their money, etc. Britain will not be the last to vote on leaving the EU.

Agreed, and frankly the US needs to get her own house in order too, $20T in debt with no end in sight, sorry but I don't feel bad for Europe, we should tend to our own needs and spending tens of billions every year in foreign installations and military support isn't a good use of our resources imo.

Fuck tusk and his two arae clown friends; juncker and schulz

If these idiots had limited themselves to a free trade area instead of "ever closer integration" the current shit show, that is the EU would not be in the state its in

The best thing DT has done in the last few days is point out that thr EU effectively uses as undervalued deutch mark to frau merkels benefit and everyone elses cost

DT is also likely to be the strongest card in britains hand - other than the City - in ensuring these clowns dont look to punish britain

Greece may weel be next unless a debt deal is agreed

Italy and holland are worth watch followed by france and germany this year

But are Trump and his supporters smart to understand what this means?

The U.S. did provide a disproportionate chunk of NATO 's firepower. Why? Because it bought the U.S. the right to extend its sphere of influence and control firmly into most of Europe. The U.S. projected power and protected its interests with military bases all over. Its was not out of charity or benefaction that the US did this.

Consider this - the EU decided to set up their own Satellite positioning system (called Galileo). It would give the EU both the commercial benefits for navigation but also a military boost by matching the precision of the U.S. controlled GPS system. The US first blocked the Europeans and only relented when the EU changed the system to make harmless to the US. The Euro's agreed because they knew they can count on the US military to protect them.

Trump's radical policy shift is a major change on a successful US strategy that was established after WW2. If he tells EU to F-off and pay their own way they will have no choice but to do exactly that. US bases will be shuttered. The US will very quickly loose its control, and then influence in the region. The European powers will militarize. American's laugh at European military might and decisiveness but they forget that this impotence is by design. The larger nations will quickly become very powerful, nuclear armed forces.

And in the vacuum created by the US, they will find that protection Russia and / or China will step in.

The US can isolate, sitting dumb and happy while foreign problems happen elsewhere. Until they don't.

The Donald could do well with reading about the Ming dynasy. In 14th C. the Ming dynasty was one of (if not THE) most advanced, powerful and rich empire in the world. Their navy, lead by Zheng He, was larger than any until the British navies of the 19th C. and explored Asia, the Pacific, Middle east, Africa and possibly the Americas. And then Zhu Yuanzhang, the Hongwu Emperor, decided to go all isolationist. He scrapped the fleet (maybe the age of colonialism would have been Chinese and not European). Ultimately, as a result, China that was once the most powerful empire on the planet was brought into control by little European nations during the Opium wars.

The Japanese had a similar isolationist policy called Sakoku. By not competing with the rest of the world they fell so far behind that by 1854 US Naval Captain Perry sailed into Tokyo harbour and enticed the Japanese to sign a very US friendly pacts. (the fleet of modern US warships were convincing).

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Remember - It's important to be comfortable in your own skin... because it turns out society frowns on wearing other people's

Just wait until NATO no longer exists and all those fools are eating borscht 3 times a day. Then we'll have the last laugh.

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"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."

What current US national interests are really served by maintaining a military presence in Europe?


And in the vacuum created by the US, they will find that protection Russia and / or China will step in.

I thought it was mainly Russia that Europe needed protection from in the first place. Now Europe is going to turn to Russia for protection? From what?

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

So you disagree, and despite whatever benefits we had, we should continue to subsidize and defend Europe's unappreciative socialist state?

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"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden