Is that a good or bad thing?

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Suffer Well.

I knew it!

I knew cycling was a racist sport!

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

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You can't start a thread about Trump and cycling and Lance!!!

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

You can't start a thread about Trump and cycling and Lance!!!

#winning :)

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Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog

"Tour de Trump" is the term my riding buddies and I use for a ride the morning after consuming too much Mexican/Indian food and beer.

Is that a good or bad thing?

I assume you are talking about the indirect connection between the Tour de Trump and Lance Armstrong that I made.

That's a great question, but also a REALLY wide open question, that no matter what you say, is bound to be controversial.

Regarding the success of Lance and the 7 TDF wins, according to the UCI/ASO, they did not happen and don't exist! While, right, that is an absurd position - he did win those races, and millions of people watched and cheered( I'm not saying that's right nor do I side with Armstrong - just stating a fact).

Indeed, in a way this central part is before the courts now in the Armstrong vs The U.S. Government Whistle Blower case. The U.S. Government contends that it was all a fraud and moot, because Armstrong by his own admission, did break and breach key parts of his contract. They want $100 million back. Armstrong and his lawyers contend that the USPS gained substantially from the exposure (valued at dollar amountX)- on that part they claim they delivered and more! As I said, millions watched and cheered. As a barometer of this, Trek bike sales rose SUBSTANTIALLY, during Armstrong's TDF run! And they tailed off, when he stepped away from the sport for the first time. So there is a connection.

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Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog

I would think that would be "Tour du Dump?"

http://deadspin.com/...kin-donuts-493819063

Although "twisted pile of foamy, orange shit" does kinda describe The Donald

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Don't forget about the Tour de Rump

http://www.tourderump.com/index.htm

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Suffer Well.

The insertion of Lance is unnecessarily... provocative.

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"The right to party is a battle we have fought, but we'll surrender and go Amish... NOT!" -Wayne Campbell

http://www.urbandictionary.com/...mp&defid=5733007

I enjoyed reading that. Thanks.

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It doesn't really matter what Phil is saying, the music of his voice is the appropriate soundtrack for a bicycle race. HTupolev

The insertion of Lance is unnecessarily... provocative.


Yes, I know - skating on thin ice here.

Over on the main forum the mere mention of his name provokes, bedlam and hysteria, with Dan having to frequently wade in and play policeman. Perhaps, the discussion can be more balanced here! :)

There's no doubt people are polarized on LA. Just look at the string of posts after any of his tweets or Instagram postings. Many are in the vein of "You are a true Hero, Lance", sprinkled with , "Fucking cheater"!

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Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog

Fleck, I remember when the T de T rolled through Phoenicia. In my slanted view having the cycling pros come through was the coolest thing to ever happen to my little two block long town. It was marred only by the fact that the day before a lot of them had to walk their bikes up Platt Clove Rd in the Devil's Kitchen. I know your wife has made that climb and I know that it kills me. But, pro cyclists walking their bikes; WTF!

I think you are giving Trump way to much credit here. First of all, it wasn't his idea, he was just the guy the they talked into sponsoring it. It probably came from NBC sports or IMG or one of the other sports promoters of the time. And like other things Trump got involved in, it went bust only to be saved and moved south by Dupont. So rather than the string going from Trump to Lance, it should go from Trump to Dupont to Team Fox Catcher. And we know how that ended up. (for those who don't, there is the movie)

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I think you are giving Trump way to much credit here. First of all, it wasn't his idea, he was just the guy the they talked into sponsoring it.


Indeed - it was someone else's idea (detailed in the story), and it was Trump's money, and some of his organization of the time involved, but ounce on-board, Trump HAD to be the front-man and it was all about about him!

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Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog

Back then there were frequent Trump sightings around Hunter. It was rumored that he was looking for a place to build a casino. That's why there was a big protest when the T de T went into New Paltz. The joke around Hunter was that he would by the Sugar Maples Resort (which really existed) and change the name to ''Marla Maples"!

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Was he also the PR director?

Jim,

Thanks for the responses.

I appreciate the anecdote about the Devils Kitchen climb - perhaps one of the toughest climbs in the U.S. North East. It's not that long, but at that max steepness of close to 20% for about 200m, it's absolutely insane!

That must have been quite the site, of the best Pro cyclists in the world walking up it. This would have been before the days of compact cranks, and the smallest gear available would have been on a standard crank set-up of 39-23 or 25. Yikes!

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Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog

It's all making sense now. Hitler---> Trump--->Lance It's a perfecta!

Thanks for the link, I had totally forgotten about that race!

Steve Bauer ran front and rear disc wheels in the time trial, and wiped out. It inspired my brother and I to try it (with our UniDisc covers) and the result was pretty close to the same but we barely stayed upright.

I still don't have my Team 7-11 jersey that I wanted, either!