Brown guy couldn't swim fast.

Is this one of the few things we may agree on?

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Better lawyer. Seriously, assuming all things consistent, that very well could be the case. Doesn't make it right or wrong, but certainly not racial bias. I think most people scratched their head at minimum on Brock Turner's verdict. But here are some things to note.

1. This guy is in his thirties.
2. This guy is an immigrant.
3. He likely doesn't have the money to afford a well politically connected lawyer.

Outside of recent scandal and outrage, rightfully stirred up by the media, I think you would be hard pressed to prove this guy showed any bias. I guarantee this happens daily (not to this disparity), and nothing happens.

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Maybe Ramirez was still able to eat rib eye steaks.


I'm still waiting for some report to come out that shows that the swimmer's father and the judge had a mutual friend. I don't think this is white vs brown as much as it is rich kid vs everyone else.

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The swimmer sounds like a total ass but there are so many holes in the reported story it's really hard to understand the facts.

Unfortunately, there are so many cases of hard core criminals getting let out of prison way too soon only to commit violent crimes I can't isolate this single instance to be outraged.

Life under President GoobDog would be significantly different for all criminals.

It sounds like the difference is due to the law in California requiring a harsher sentence when the victim is conscious compared with one unconscious. Right or wrong, if the judge applied that law, it can't be a bias.

They seemed to be looking pretty closely at Persky's record, having reviewed 20 criminal cases without evidence of racial bias.

Well, we do know one about these cases--the woman were asking for it.

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Income disparity is also a huge factor in court outcomes. I know this from experience.

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Did you read the article you linked or did you just see the headline and jump to your predetermined conclusion?

Your article states they went through 20 past cases and found no racial bias.

Your article states there are different sentencing rules for a conscious victim vs. unconscious.

Your article states Ramirez pleaded guilty which means he gets 3 years min by state law.

Your article states he has not even been sentenced yet but "will get 3 years".

Your article says the judge refused to negotiate with Ramirez on sentencing. Typically the negotiating on a guilty plea case is done with the prosecutor. If the prosecutor was in agreement with a lesser sentence they would have agreed to amend the charge to something that didn't carry a min 3 year sentence on a guilty plea.

Nothing to be outraged over here. If you don't like CA's rules on minimum sentencing then take it up with the legislature.

I'm still waiting for some report to come out that shows that the swimmer's father and the judge had a mutual friend. I don't think this is white vs brown as much as it is rich kid vs everyone else.

Even the article suggests that it is the Stanford case that is the anomaly, not the latter one. It does seem to be more rich/poor.

I read the article and asked a question. I didnt jump to a conclusion. Did you read my words or did you jump to conclusions?

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I agree, racial bias certainly exists in our judicial sentencing but so does income bias. I have no idea which is more prevelant.

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Right, sorry Barry. Your title clearly was just stating facts and not attempting to imply racism in any fashion.

Brock turners judge! Is there something missing here? Did this article leave out some mitigating factors or is this another case of racial disparity in the courts?

From what I can tell Turner was raping an unconscious women and Ramirez was raping a conscious one. Furthermore I believe Turner did not plead guilty and Ramirez did.

Laying the law aside and looking merely at the act seems to me that raping a person who is conscious and fighting back is a more violent and aggressive attack then raping someone who is unconscious. I suspect that the two conditions listed above are the reasons for the difference in sentencing.

But Gary Goodman, a supervising attorney for the Santa Clara County public defender’s office pointed out that the law in California carries more punitive weight in cases of sexual assault of a conscious person in comparison to unconscious victims.

Also in the article

A review of 20 criminal cases handled by Mr Persky, carried out by the Press Association, concluded racial biases were not evident in the judge’s decisions.

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It's hard to say. The article was pretty vague about the details of the rape Ramirez committed.

I think this pretty well covers it, though:


“What’s happened with Mr Ramirez is standard,” said Alexander Cross, an attorney who briefly represented Ramirez. “The anomaly is the Stanford case.”

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I asked legitimate questions and acdepted the answers you fucking twat waffle. What the hell is your problem? I agree with your stance and youre giving me shit for asking a question. What kind of fuck nuttery is going on in your brain where you feel compelled to shit on someone who asks a question, receives and accepts an answer that YOU ALSO AGREE WITH, and you cant leave well enough alone? Seriously man, thats some world class dipshittery.

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It seems almost everyone is in agreement that the stanford case is the big problem.

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I tend to think people are more biased against income than race. Blacks and other minorities that move up tend to have a lot more white friends and these white friends less color conscious to them. You can argue that with income comes all sorts of other idiosyncrasies that mitigate racial bias, but I still think a lot of issues that are called "racism" are actually plain ol fashioned class elitism. Here are some things to note.

Blacks who are better off tend to:
1. Not view themselves as victims.
2. Speak the same way white people do.
3. Dress the same.
4. Be more socially and economically conservative.
5. More prevalent in their children's lives and active as a family in the community.
6. Better educated.

All of these things in my opinion have more to do with income than race because income makes it easier for minorities to meet all these criteria.

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Yep. The rich boy got a (ridiculous and unjustifiable) break. But, Ramirez got the "right" sentence.

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Right, sorry Barry. Your title clearly was just stating facts and not attempting to imply racism in any fashion.

Are you being serious?

The latino guy probably got what he deserved. The issue is still that the Brock Whatever-his-name-is got off light. Nobody is happy with that other than his family.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Um... make it 3 months...

http://www.rollingstone.com/...ood-behavior-w436997

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?