the war has been least successful where it has the highest stakes

Oct 22, 04 10:42

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Retired Army Gen. Wayne A. Downing, who was summoned to lead the White House Office for Combating Terrorism a few weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, said the war has been least successful where it has the highest stakes: slowing the growth of jihadist sympathies in populations that can provide the terrorists with money, concealment and recruits. Bin Laden has worked effectively to "convince the Islamic world the U.S. is the common enemy," Downing said. He added, "We have done little or nothing. That is the big failure."

More of that liberal media bias.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6302447/

where is he now? [ In reply to ]

Oct 22, 04 10:50

Post #2 of 21 (2883 views)

The General has since resigned. He resigned because he strongly disapproved of the way the Bush administration is handling the anti-terror offensive, and more particularly its intelligence side.

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Re: where is he now? [wmh] [ In reply to ]

Oct 22, 04 10:52

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Don't you mean, it's "lack of intelligence" side?

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Re: where is he now? [wmh] [ In reply to ]

Oct 22, 04 11:42

Post #4 of 21 (2867 views)

where is he now?

he's with all the other former administration officials that disagreed with the president then found themselves retired.

Re: the war has been least successful where it has the highest stakes [rb5980] [ In reply to ]

Oct 22, 04 11:54

Post #5 of 21 (2857 views)

So he says.

Maybe he resigned because he didn't do his job.

Re: the war has been least successful where it has the highest stakes [Brian286] [ In reply to ]

Oct 22, 04 12:07

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Maybe he resigned because he didn't do his job.

I assume you mean 'was retired' - folks usually don't fire themselves for cause.

Just curious Brian, is there *anything* you disagree w/ Bush and the current administration on?

Re: the war has been least successful where it has the highest stakes [triathron] [ In reply to ]

Oct 22, 04 12:17

Post #7 of 21 (2849 views)

Well, Nixon resigned...he saw the writing on the wall.

Some people are given the option to retire before being fired. Maybe this General was exercising this option to save his severence.

Happens all the time.

If you think I'm a blind follower of Bush...you're wrong.

I disagreed with his nomination in 2000...I wanted McCain.

there have been 6 nccsg's during the Bush administration [ In reply to ]

Oct 22, 04 12:27

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The General was not the first to resign.

Richard Clarke was the first. He had been appointed by President Bush I. He resigned in frustration.

He was replaced by Rand Beers, who subsequently resigned in frustration and now works for the Kerry campaign.

There were subsequently 4 (or 5) others (I think the last guy just resigned two weeks ago).

iambigkahunatony.com

Last edited by: wmh: Oct 22, 04 12:32

Re: the war has been least successful where it has the highest stakes [Brian286] [ In reply to ]

Oct 22, 04 12:29

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I disagreed with his nomination in 2000...I wanted McCain.

There's something we can agree upon - I was profoundly disappointed by McCain's support of Bush.

Wasn't trying to make an accusation - it was a serious question.

Re: there have been 6 nccsg's during the Bush administration [wmh] [ In reply to ]

Oct 22, 04 12:30

Post #10 of 21 (2843 views)

Happens all of the time. Job hopping.

Re: the war has been least successful where it has the highest stakes [triathron] [ In reply to ]

Oct 22, 04 12:32

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No accusation whatsoever. I'm not overly pleased with the choices in the election. I would give everything I have to see McCain or Powell at the helm right now.

Re: there have been 6 nccsg's during the Bush administration [Brian286] [ In reply to ]

Oct 22, 04 12:46

Post #12 of 21 (2837 views)

It doesn't happen all the time. Clarke held that positin for three administrations.

iambigkahunatony.com

Re: the war has been least successful where it has the highest stakes [Brian286] [ In reply to ]

Oct 22, 04 12:47

Post #13 of 21 (2836 views)

Powell, btw, is also resigning.

iambigkahunatony.com

Re: the war has been least successful where it has the highest stakes [wmh] [ In reply to ]

Oct 22, 04 12:50

Post #14 of 21 (2833 views)

I've heard that as well. He's served well. Probably one of my most favorite icons and a great example of leadership.

Re: the war has been least successful where it has the highest stakes [Brian286] [ In reply to ]

Oct 22, 04 13:06

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I would give everything I have to see McCain or Powell at the helm right now

Holy fucking shit we almost agree*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

* I'd give a couple hundred $$, but not everything I have.

Re: the war has been least successful where it has the highest stakes [rb5980] [ In reply to ]

Oct 22, 04 13:08

Post #16 of 21 (2825 views)

Your contribution would be more than mine...Unless they take bikes and engagement rings.

Re: the war has been least successful where it has the highest stakes [Brian286] [ In reply to ]

Oct 22, 04 13:09

Post #17 of 21 (2824 views)

Did you read the Powell GQ interview? GQ has since taken it down, but you can get the gist here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...ay5?language=printer

Ina bumper sticker, Powell is isolated and frustrated, just like: Clarke, Beers, ...

iambigkahunatony.com

Re: the war has been least successful where it has the highest stakes [wmh] [ In reply to ]

Oct 22, 04 13:15

Post #18 of 21 (2819 views)

I sense and somewhat understand Powell's frustration on the issues and the role he's had to play in the current administrations policies. I don't know if GWB is an easy guy to work for...

I was able to meet and briefly chat with the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff this past weekend, Gen Pace. Great guy. I wanted so badly to ask him some of the issues we discuss daily here but we were at a wedding and I'm sure he didn't want to be bothered with that kind of stuff. Still a great guy to talk to...

Re: the war has been least successful where it has the highest stakes [Brian286] [ In reply to ]

Oct 22, 04 13:20

Post #19 of 21 (2816 views)

Of course the right wing of the republican party will never let either of those guys have the nomination.

Re: the war has been least successful where it has the highest stakes [rb5980] [ In reply to ]

Oct 22, 04 13:25

Post #20 of 21 (2815 views)

Nope..they'd win as independants.

Both parties are machines...nasty machines...

Re: the war has been least successful where it has the highest stakes [Brian286] [ In reply to ]

Oct 22, 04 13:34

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Both parties are machines...nasty machines...

true dat.

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