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Re: Poll: World Approval of US Leadership Sinks to New Low [SH] [ In reply to ]
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And just exactly why should Americans give a shit about that? That's like stressing over whether or not your neighbors will like your new car. Sort of juvenile, really.


RR,

May I ask what sort of business are you in? Are you in a business where to be successful you need to work with an get cooperation and buy-in from other people? Do you work in a business where their needs to be integration of different factions within a company or between other companies?

I'm curious and I ask this, because are you more likely to forge a winning deal, or plan with someone who you disapprove of or who you admire?

Trump and the U.S. may have got their Wall or got their Wall much more easily and perhaps even financial buy-in from Mexico, if Trump and the U.S. were highly admired by Mexicans. They are NOT going to get that now or ever!

Trump wants to renegotiate NAFTA - On the whole, that may not be such a bad thing, but with Trump's approval rating in Canada - 15% I think - , and even lower in Mexico, how difficult will it be for him to sit down and get the deal he wants?

Do you have any examples where countries did something against their national interest because the United States was a popular leader? Take the entire Obama Presidency if you'd like.

You are just being stubborn to be stubborn. Can you really not see where negotiating with someone you like can lead you to give up more than you otherwise would?

Last year we made an offer on a house. The owner was clearly an ass and was nickle and diming the sale price. I imagined what he would have been like in due diligence. We walked when we were within 0.5% of each other because I was tired of his BS. Six mortgage payments later his house is still sitting empty and for sale. But his agent said he was ready to make a deal! Being an ass doesn't always work on the negotiating table.
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Re: Poll: World Approval of US Leadership Sinks to New Low [Fleck] [ In reply to ]
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Fleck wrote:
And just exactly why should Americans give a shit about that? That's like stressing over whether or not your neighbors will like your new car. Sort of juvenile, really.


RR,

May I ask what sort of business are you in? Are you in a business where to be successful you need to work with an get cooperation and buy-in from other people? Do you work in a business where their needs to be integration of different factions within a company or between other companies?

I'm curious and I ask this, because are you more likely to forge a winning deal, or plan with someone who you disapprove of or who you admire?

Trump and the U.S. may have got their Wall or got their Wall much more easily and perhaps even financial buy-in from Mexico, if Trump and the U.S. were highly admired by Mexicans. They are NOT going to get that now or ever!

Trump wants to renegotiate NAFTA - On the whole, that may not be such a bad thing, but with Trump's approval rating in Canada - 15% I think - , and even lower in Mexico, how difficult will it be for him to sit down and get the deal he wants?

My job is to deal with people who can pay their bills, sometimes that means having to work with people that are complete assholes and don't realize it. If you're so worried about image, what kind of image has our 'dear leader' projected recently? No it's not the bullshit positive one you think it is. The Japanese, Australians and New Zealanders are far less than impressed with Canadian antic's at the negotiating table. China has also told us not to stick our shnoze into what they consider internal politics. Just because one is popular doesn't mean they get their way.

Everyone is buddy buddy until the money starts changing hands.
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Re: Poll: World Approval of US Leadership Sinks to New Low [racin_rusty] [ In reply to ]
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    You can certainly be popular by acquiescing to anything the other side of the table wants, and I think Obama fell that way in his dealings, which I think is another reason MAGA struck such a chord. (Even Hillary agreed that TPP was a bad deal!) Trump does not seem to be near the ass he is in his tweets when he gets to the table, so I still don't get how he thinks they serve him.
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Re: Poll: World Approval of US Leadership Sinks to New Low [TimeIsUp] [ In reply to ]
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You are just being stubborn to be stubborn. Can you really not see where negotiating with someone you like can lead you to give up more than you otherwise would?

Last year we made an offer on a house. The owner was clearly an ass and was nickle and diming the sale price. I imagined what he would have been like in due diligence. We walked when we were within 0.5% of each other because I was tired of his BS. Six mortgage payments later his house is still sitting empty and for sale. But his agent said he was ready to make a deal! Being an ass doesn't always work on the negotiating table.


I'm not being stubborn. Your n=1 doesn't prove anything. Anyone can come up with an n=1 that coincides with their side Also, you don't know that Trump is a jerk when you are dealing with him personally. You just know that when you entered the negotiation he was unpopular.

Really, ask yourself how many great deals Obama got as President of the USA. Obama was popular. How many nations lined up to give him especially sweet terms? I just didn't see it. I'm not cutting on Obama either. I'm just saying it didn't happen.
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Re: Poll: World Approval of US Leadership Sinks to New Low [SH] [ In reply to ]
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You are the one that asked for examples. Don't poo poo someone when they come up with one. Neither of us knows what goes on behind closed doors with Obama or Trump.

Just answer the question. Would you rather look forward to and try to get a deal done with someone that has a respectful reputation or someone that doesn't?
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You are the one that asked for examples. Don't poo poo someone when they come up with one. Neither of us knows what goes on behind closed doors with Obama or Trump.

Just answer the question. Would you rather look forward to and try to get a deal done with someone that has a respectful reputation or someone that doesn't?

It depends on the circumstances. If you are one of a multitude of orange sellers trying to get me to purchase your oranges, then if you don't kiss my butt I'm out. However, if you're Walmart negotiating to put my line of chainsaws in all your stores, well, then your badass reputation might help you. I'm going to be ready to get my knees broken, and if I don't get them broken I'll count myself lucky. The USA government is (or should be) more like Walmart.
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Re: Poll: World Approval of US Leadership Sinks to New Low [SH] [ In reply to ]
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It depends on the circumstances. If you are one of a multitude of orange sellers trying to get me to purchase your oranges, then if you don't kiss my butt I'm out. However, if you're Walmart negotiating to put my line of chainsaws in all your stores, well, then your badass reputation might help you. I'm going to be ready to get my knees broken, and if I don't get them broken I'll count myself lucky. The USA government is (or should be) more like Walmart.

+1

If you buy a car, and walk away happy, thinking you got a good deal, and the salesman walks away seemingly happy about the 'deal' he gave you. You paid too much.
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Re: Poll: World Approval of US Leadership Sinks to New Low [spookini] [ In reply to ]
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Our leader is a orange-haired manatee who tweets like a 13yo schoolgirl , when he's not out banging porn stars condomless, or locked in his bedroom eating cheeseburgers.

Are we to believe the rest-of-world doesnt respect that? #fakepoll

Another insightful one and done contribution to a discussion. Thanks.

Greg

If you are a Canuck that engages in gratuitous bashing of the US, you are probably on my Iggy List. So, save your self a bunch of typing a response unless you also feel the need to gratuitously bash me. If so, have fun.
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Re: Poll: World Approval of US Leadership Sinks to New Low [TimeIsUp] [ In reply to ]
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TimeIsUp wrote:
You are the one that asked for examples. Don't poo poo someone when they come up with one. Neither of us knows what goes on behind closed doors with Obama or Trump.

Just answer the question. Would you rather look forward to and try to get a deal done with someone that has a respectful reputation or someone that doesn't?

Lol he asked for examples of countries giving sweet deals because of a President's popularity or a country's popularity. No one asked about you trying to buy a damn house.

But hey, since lame, anecdotal examples seem to work for you, I'll give you a counter. I don't like Merkel, I drive a BMW. Guess popularity doesn't matter.
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