B_Doughtie wrote:
I mean no duh talent matters. I just don’t put it on the level you do. I put it in the right context, so if you are talking about normal run of mill AG athlete, imo maxed talent isn’t anywhere close to having occurred. Far more often it’s lack of availability to do said training that is the bigger factor.
If you can truly say you’ve maxed out your training and potential ok let’s then factor in talent.
But having been a coach for now over 15 years, maxed training potential is generally no where close to maxed out for AG athletes. For the most part AG athletes can’t “max” put their potential to where talent truly is the limiter imo. But no duh this generally is a fun activity that they generally just want to finish in and do their best while having a job, family and social life. Far more are in it for completion than “competing” so talent really doesn’t even matter for most.
So if you want to say talent is the default factor, cool. I just don’t see it that way in our sport.
Again ad nauseum - your limited definition of talent is incorrect.
It is incorrect to say talent only = your potential top ceiling, and ignore the reality that if your top ceiling is very high, your rate of improvement is going to be super high as well.
It's this rate of improvement that's the issue for non-maxxed AGers. And in triathlon, it's likely an issue even for the top pro-elites as well, since they have to distribute effort amongst S-B-R, and thus even they never 'max' any one of the sports. They have to judge their talent (rate of improvemenet for work) in all 3 and find the best combo for the specific race that gives them the best outcome.
There are no ubertalents that has a normal rate of improvement. You have to be a high responder to training to ultimately have a high ceiling.
Rate of improvement (talent) is a fundamental determiner of that outcome you get from the training you put in. Yes, there are other factors, but talent is so big that no coaches, including you, ignore it when you make their training plans and set goals. You can tell me all you want that you ignore it, but when you're not giving your average-joe AGer the 12-hr-to-KQ plan, you're taking heavily into account their talent level regardless of what you say.