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Re: WKO+ 4.0 [marcag]
marcag wrote:
Andrew Coggan wrote:

marcag wrote:
Which brings back to the point that it's important to understand what impacts what. I am looking forward to more info on stamina. If accurate it sounds like a great metric.


Without giving away the farm, the amount of leverage each point has the various metrics goes from Pmax to FRC to mFTP to stamina as duration increases. As your example demonstrates, though, every point has at least some degree of influence on everything; it's only a matter of degree.


Hi Andy,

For the last 4 weeks, mFTP has been creeping up as I am doing 4min efforts slightly over threshold (105%). I am doing them a bit harder, with little less recovery so best 30min is creeping up.
FRC is going down and currently at 7KJ.
Elsewhere I think you mentioned FRC is normally higher than W' which I am pretty sure mine is much higher than 7KJ.
I know in the CP model an underestimated W' would probably overstate your CP and currently mFTP is probably a bit high.

All my workouts are on the computrainer so very structured

Are things skewed and what type of work should I do to bring it back in order ? I am pretty sure my data is clean now, Pmax seems right, power duration curves make sense.

Maybe the answer is I need to have more maximal data for the short durations ? I have very little


On the topic of stamina/endurance metric. Is it along the lines of your fatigue profiling in your book ?

The exact relationship between FRC and W' is variable, and obviously depends heavily upon the duration of the efforts used to calculate the latter.

That said, if you haven't done any maximal efforts at shorter durations, it is possible that your FRC is being underestimated. In turn, mFTP might be slightly elevated. This is because, although the parameters statistically well-separated (much more so than in the critical power model, where the dependency is very high), there is still a small "teeter-totter" effect.

In any case, there is one way to find out: choose a duration or durations at which your mean maximal power is lower than predicted by the model, and give it a go. Either you won't be able to significantly improve on your performance (meaning that your estimated FRC is about right), or you'll bump up the curve significantly, resulting in a more accurate estimate of your FRC.

As for stamina, yes, you can consider it somewhat of a corollary to Hunter's fatigue profiling approach, at least as applied to lower intensities (i.e., sub-FTP) and hence longer durations. As I mentioned in the webinar the other night, though, it's more variable than the other model parameters, so don't read too much into modest changes.
Last edited by: Andrew Coggan: Feb 12, 16 17:30

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