Nice looking saddle. The holes at the back I assume are for mounting a cage? Do you have a photo of how you propose to do it or have done as it looks close to the rails? As someone that has ridden the Dash TT for some time now can I suggest making an angled carbon adaptor for BTS mounting a bottle on an angle as an extra? I have ejected many bottles until adding extra angle my own wedges and finding the right cage. People always ask what the hollow in my Dash saddle is for...

Hi there - we actually built an angle directly into the carbon and the saddle comes with hardware for mounting a cage. We're going to manufacture the hardware in the coming weeks - for folks who've already received their saddles, we'll ship the hardware separately when it's ready. I'll post a pic below of the prototype hardware (yes, that's a waterbottle cage we're testing specifically made for the bts position to be released in 3-4 months. So far, I can't launch a full 33oz bottle even when bunny hopping.... and I can get the bottle out with ease.)

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Orders shipping and a test saddle sent to Dan today....

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I got my wove saddle this week and have two rides on it so far. I know Nick and I have been following this project with interest. I know that he meticulously iterated the design for the shape of the saddle and foam padding with testing from Sam Long and Rudy von Berg.

Saddles have always been a thing that I considered good if I could tolerate it for 5 hours in aero. Toleration was about as much as I have ever expected. I had been using a Dash saddle and before that I had been riding Adamo.



For several years I have used an XLab BTS single bottle mount. Below are some photos of the Wove saddle installed on my IA Advanced Frame Set.





Starting with a visual inspection of the saddle, it's hard to believe that this thing is literally hand made by a single guy. The fit and finish are superb. The round carbon rails and their attachment points look engineered and professionally manufactured. I compare this with the Dash saddle which is handmade and looks like it. In fact, the carbon rails on my Dash look particularly janky and both of them have cracks after a couple years of use.

The BTS bottle mount includes a black-anodized bar with threaded holes that fits in the groove on the top of the saddle and a bottle cage mounts directly to the bottom of the saddle. This system is far cleaner, lighter and easier to put on and remove than the XLab system I have been using. 10x better at least!

The padding on the saddle is thicker and softer than pretty much any top end road or TT saddle that I am aware of. The semi-grippy covering of the padding is actually molded directly onto the saddle and it looks super precise and clean.

As I hopped on for my first ride and headed up my driveway, I immediately said out lout to myself, "I think I like this saddle!" It was totally spontaneous and genuine, I swear. The reason is that the shape and padding of the saddle was dramatically more comfortable to what I had been riding and it was immediately noticeable. I found the nose of the saddle to be just right for my TT position and the texture of the saddle was just right to make me feel stable in my position, but not so grippy that I could not re-adjust if necessary. The back of the saddle is in just the right place to give support when I sit up on the base bars, which was a big complaint I had about the Dash. It was pretty good in aero position, but terrible when sitting up.

As you can see from the photos and the tape on my seat post, I had to raise the post 5mm or so to match the saddle height of the Dash. On recommendations from Wove, I have the saddle installed a few degrees nose down and I think that is the way to go. I'm actually thinking about pointing the nose even a little further down.

I am more than happy with this saddle. I have not yet done a long ride on it, but if it continues to feel as great as it has so far when I'm 3-4 hours in the saddle, then I will have to declare this the best saddle I've ever been on.

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As someone who is riding a Arione Tri saddle with reasonable comfort, I am always looking for the next best saddle. Any chance you have ridden an Arione Tri in the past and could compare? Would love to find a new comfortable, light saddle with BTS included in.

I haven't ridden any of the Fizik saddles. I've been a fan of split nose saddles for a long time now...

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Thanks for the reply. I have not tried an Adamo or other split nose. So, that is such a change for me. Maybe it would work great, but it is not a cheap option to try for.

Being the cheap-ass that I am, and having spare time for it, I learned how to re-cover my Selle Italia Flite saddle when the leather inevitably wears out. Costs me about $10 in leather, or less. What do you do about a $600 saddle that will, inevitably, wear out? Or is it just me? The sides of the nose of my saddles wear through in about a year (7,000-8,000 miles).

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Hi there, we offer a reupholstering when the foam and cover are worn out. Our shell/rails are going to last for many years, so this is definitely a service we are offering. More info: https://wovebike.com/guarantee

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I support the angle for the BTS cage. Nicely done!

This looks pretty amazing!

I have finally found a saddle that I am mostly happy with, so I am not in the market currently, but this would be on a short list of saddles that I am interested in .

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Fit question about the saddle!

I know (or think...) with the typical split ISM saddles, your sit bones sit on the prongs, and you privates are kind of off the front, as is possibly your prostate (or sitting in between the prongs)....

With yours, is the idea that the sit bones will rest back on the wide section of the saddle? I get the narrow nose will help with thigh rubbing, but how does the nose not dig into the privates and prostate?

Thx!

Like with ISM's and other split nose saddles, most of us riding the Wove V8 are sitting on the nose when in the aerobars. Here's a quick instagram video of Rudy demonstrating this: https://www.instagram.com/...?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=


The arms along the nose do support the pubic bones when in the aerobars and the rear of the saddle supports the sit bones/ischial tuberosity when sitting up. The nose is 53.8mm wide at the front of the nose.

We really labored over getting the width of those arms just right to provide support while not being too wide or narrow, and our channel between the arms is wide, putting zero pressure onto the prostate or other soft tissue. We tested hundreds of people, but on our team, I'm the person most sensitive to soft tissue pressure and so the width of the channel was so important to me, pro athletes needed no thigh rubbing, and Craig of eecycleworks, our engineer, has very sensitive nerves along the pelvic bones and so he was our go-to tester for ensuring the padding was just right (note: that pelvic bone nerve sensitivity is not a male or female issue, and neither is saddle nose width or the need for soft tissue relief; those preferences/sensitivities are spread pretty equally throughout genders).

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any chance of a BF sale?

Wondered the same.

I’ve used the Arione after the worst saddle experience of my life…the Tritone…first edition. Switched to the Joff 55 after Arione and it was a game changer. Then I bought a DASH and I love it. Best saddle yet—but have not experienced any cracked rails yet like Ed/ Row To Tri——Ed, where along the rail did your Dash crack? They will fix it for you if you contact them.

Question, is Sam Long still using the Wove?

nice feature over on cyclingtips this morning: https://cyclingtips.com/...or-breaking-records/

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Which Dash saddle were you using that worked for you after using the Arione?

The Dash Strike. It has a bit of flare half way back for some more support while climbing for sitting up in the saddle--which I do. But is narrow/48mm up front for a great aero position comfort.

Gorgeous bike and saddle. Nice work.

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A bit more:

https://www.instagram.com/...?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

and his feedback thus far: “ Near 100km on the saddle today. It’s superb. I love the grip. Wide nose is so supportive. The channel means zero numbness.“

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https://cyclingtips.com/...2-ronan-mc-laughlin/

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While we designed the V8 for a single BTS bottle cage, it's possible to mount two cages in a pretty clean & aero set up:

• Top mounted bottle will rub your bum, so I'd only use in a race situation.
• And, definitely use bands to loop around bottle nozzle to keep it from ejecting.
• note: we are testing our own BTS cage that holds standard and on-course IM gatorade/water bottles securely while also allowing for ease of placing bottle in/out of cage.

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What is the verdict on best saddle ever

I may buy one


Also looking forward to looking to buy a pair of your shoes

Thank you

Still loving this saddle. Best I've ever had.

Ronan McLaughlin put it on his 10 best of 2022 with quite the endorsement:

https://cyclingtips.com/...2-ronan-mc-laughlin/

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As someone who has ridden the Dash saddle with built in BTS mount I have ejected a lot of bottles over time until I found the right cage. The cages in you picture would eject a full bottle riding off the curb. I found even the X-Lab Gorilla cage ejected bottles and the Dash isn't as horizontal as yours. Any split at the base of the cage as you go over a bump puts shock load on the bottle and cage forcing and gap or spilt open releasing pressure on the cage and it gradually creeps back before ejecting. I was lucky enough to get a couple of Supacz carbon cages they no longer produce I can't find pictures of online that is in essence a reverse cage made for BTS that is essentially this Enve cage reversed with the screw mounts on the front side and the base runs the length of the bottle clipping into the indent of the bottle. With open sides you can get your bottle in on an angle as you reach around. I haven't ejected a bottle since using them and don't use rubber bands to hold them in.

https://www.racycles.com/...nve-bottle-cage-8897

Agreed on cages. I wrote at the bottom of my post that we’re releasing a bts cage. It won’t have any splits. It won’t eject bottles regardless of how horizontal. Holds on course IM bottles without ejecting as well as 33oz standard diameter bottles.
Cages in photos: tossed on as I didn’t want to show our prototype cages yet.
You can mount the cages of your choosing - there are threads dedicated to that topic of best bts set ups, also.

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We grabbed some more photos of the BTS cage set ups.

I'm headed out today to test our own BTS cage prototype which so far is incredibly easy for bottle entry/exit, securely holds 33oz bottles as well as on-course Gatorade narrow bottles over the roughest roads. Looking forward to showing images in the coming months.

For now, this is what we're suggesting, though we find the below cages insufficient over bumps, difficult for bottle entry/exit and require a rubber band added to loop over nozzle or only using short 20oz bottles, but this is why we're releasing our own bts cage:

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I had the EXACT same feedback when I trialed the Dash Stage saddle. Ended up going back to Bi-Saddle and been using it ever since. It's good but not perfect.

Is the Wove available without the extra carbon at the end? I need to carry 2 bottles BTS and would prefer to keep my current mount on my P5D, which the Wove mount would probably interfere with.

Hi there, the current V8 TT saddle comes with the rear. If you angle your bottles on the P5D, you may be OK.

There is the possibility of us doing a bit of custom work to remove the rear, but it would be a one-off project. Email me at nlehecka@wovebike.com if interested.

We also have a saddle we'll release in the coming months with no rear with a more narrow nose that's ideal for TT people needing a narrow nose, and aimed squarely at road/gravel/mtb'rs.

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Okay, I might be preaching to the choir here as I don't spend much time on ST these days so I was unaware of Nick and the Wove team but I will be don't my best to earn one of these saddles.

The saddle itself looks amazing but I'll look to buy one for how quality a guy Nick is. Just purchased his rig and he walked me through every bit and piece of choices he made and all this on a great deal given.

This saddle is faster than my skills deserve but this saddle is now my inspiration to work harder on my TT position to prove to myself I've earned the right to buy one.

Knowing it's coming from.Nick, I know this will be a great product, well thought through and focused on getting the most of those last watts we're after.

Bravo! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

Thank you for the kind words! We look forward to hearing how you like your saddle (and my former TT bike).

As a general note: we are launching a demo program where people interested in demo'ing a saddle can go to wovebike.com/demo and sign up for a 2-week demo.

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MilestheDog,

What's the width of the new Mags saddle you are doing?

Hi there, the nose of the Mags saddle is about 30.5mm at the nose, and the rear is identical to out V8 saddle at 146mm at the widest point

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Thank you.

We heavily referenced some Slowtwitch messageboard threads in some recent Instagram posts, so I'll link to them here with snippets of captions pasted here.

#SADDLEBATTLE POST

We’ve included #saddlebattle in a number of our posts. This hashtag comes from a 2018 messageboard post on Slowtwitch by kileyay, in which he contended, “your most important piece of equipment in triathlon, by far, is unquestionably your saddle. rappstar made this statement some years ago and it has stuck with me ever since, even as I have not learned how true it is until recently.

I contend that this single piece of equipment, properly configured, can mean 30 watts in terms of performance, which is 10x or 15x the delta between Zipp and Yolo, or Enve and Flo, or whatever.

But to believe my contention, you must accept the following as axiomatic: the rotation of the hips (on a time trial bike), which is a function that is critically dependent on the part under your ass, has a causal relationship to power production and aero that is unsurpassed by any other component on the bike. Who vouches for that statement? I do.”

SADDLE $/gram IN THE AGE OF PEAK AERO POST

The Wove V8 TT/tri saddle was conceptualized out of a wanting for what was not available in the market: a TT saddle that...
-is well cushioned.
-provides ample soft tissue relief.
-has a nose that stays narrower longer to reduce thigh rub
-holds the rider in place.
-has a squared off nose to prevent rolling off the front.
-feels good to sit up on for long periods of time.
-includes an integrated water bottle mount.
-is low weight.

Three saddles that were close to meeting the above needs, but lack two or more of the above attributes, are the PN3.0, Stride and Hilo Pro. The V8 is designed with all of these desired attributes in mind. Looking solely at weight, the averaged weight of those three saddles is more than double the weight of a Wove V8 saddle, and the V8 has no rider weight limit and surpasses ISO testing for strength.

In 2017, kileyay from the Slowtwitch messageboards did a crowd funded windtunnel test. He ended up titling the report, “Triathlon Bikes in the Age of Peak Aero”, because only 100g of drag separated the six bikes tested (see report in our linktree). kileyay later concluded that, if one had to choose, money spent on reducing overall bike weight might be money better spent than seeking to reduce aero drag, if the athlete is on the right saddle and already using high-level TT/tri equipment.

If we take the average weight and price of the three comparison TT saddles mentioned earlier and compare them to the weight savings of the Wove V8, the increase in price of the V8 compared to these other TT saddles comes out to $2.30 per gram saved. For comparison, if we look at a set of NSW 353 wheels and the same company’s 303 S wheels, the reduction in weight comes out to $12.70 per gram saved. We’ll let you decide if during a TT/triathlon, where accelerations are rare, a reduction in rotating mass is worth 5.5x more than the price/gram value the Wove V8 offers.

We’ve created the V8 saddle to check boxes for attributes missing in the current TT saddle market, and we propose that there’s value in the price per gram saved for those seeking that performance advantage.

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$595 USD for a saddle??? No matter which way you spin it that's crazy expensive. Dash $229, Gebiomized $278, Fizik Mistica carbon $250, what makes your saddle worth more than double the price of those?

Very fair question.

The Dash Custom is $575, has minimal padding, not ISO tested for strength/durability (to our knowledge. but we respect the fellow Colorado-based company and I rode a tri.7 from 2010 to 2014).

Our saddles are well padded and greatly surpass ISO testing and have no weight limit. That is largely due to the rails and shell being one piece and made at the same time with the unidirectional carbon fiber from the rails spread throughout the entire shell of the saddle. So, part of the cost is that innovation. You may not need or value that innovation.

The two other saddles you mention are considerably more heavy, not made in the US, not handmade, so it's like comparing a Porsche to a Kia. Now, a Kia will get you from point A to point B just as well as the Porsche, but the the latter does have performance benefits and significantly greater investment in innovation.

Another innovation: our foam and cover material are molded directly onto the shell of our saddle, both beginning as liquids. We aren't merely slapping/gluing on something made overseas. On that, We could go overseas and pay $5/hour or less to have our saddles made. That doesn't sit well with our values. We respect if others do not share our values.

Further, our shell and rails will last 10+ years and we offer foam/cover replacement (free during the first year and for a nominal fee after the first year).
We also have a 30 day money back, no questions asked guarantee, and a Demo program where people can try a saddle for 2 weeks for free.

Last, our saddles are darn comfortable and as pointed out in this instagram post, our saddle is 5.5x cheaper $/g than the cost of reducing weight in a set of wheels.

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now, in reference to this thread ...

The existence of Porsche and Ferrari does not exclude or in almost any way affect the existence of or market performance of Kia and Hyundai. There's room in the market for both. Similarly, it would be a difficult argument to make or prove that the existence of Darimo, THM, Gelu, Schmolke, Tune, Gemini, the new Scott TT frame, $3k aerobars, or $5k wheels affect the existence and continued introduction of more affordable bikes and bike parts that help make our sports more inclusive. But, we have no issue with value signaling. Regarding the role of product reviews of high end products, I love what James Huang recently did comparing the top of the line Canyon to a lower end model on which he swapped to Hunt wheels.

There may actually be less of an effect of high-end goods on the inclusiveness in sport than there is an effect caused by demand for cheaper goods on ethically concerning working conditions in locations where those cheaper goods are produced. Reviews that only push for lower pricing might help drive that latter effect: https://escapecollective.com/...de-by-modern-slaves/

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Not sure any serious athlete looking to spend $600 on a saddle would weigh more than 85kgs so a bit of a moot point? And the Kia to Ferrari comparison is a bit silly-you can clearly show the performance increase of the Ferrari, can you similarly show the performance increase of your saddle? In your post above you talk about performance increase and 30 watts-what is this based on and compared to?

As for the custom Dash saddle it is very much custom, varying the saddle density in various parts based on the individual riders weight. Do you also do this? Also includes custom colors, logos etc, again if you are wanting to do comparisons do you do this? And the Dash saddle is lighter. And if none of this matters you can still get the stock hand made version for $229, so wouldn't a fair comparison be the stock saddle?

Hi gunna, coming out the gate "gunning".

Our saddle is hand made and you can choose your choice of custom grip on the cover and some customers have requested extra layers of carbon on the shell (track riders). The Dash is 11g lighter. Ours has over 10mm of long lasting, high quality foam. (again, we highly respect what Weston has created with Dash and anyone who walks through a current day transition area is bound to see hundreds of Dash saddles, which is awesome).

We have a number of track riders who weigh more than 85kg riding our saddle and there are plenty of amazing athletes who weigh more than 85k and we respect them, welcome them and include them. Probably best to only compare company's weight policies if they make passing ISO-testing public.

We did not make the 30 watt claim. Please see this link to the #saddlebattle Slowtwitch post by kileyay; there's a healthy debate over there. We had his statements in quotes.

Ferrari vs Kia: see the description of our innovation, and see our sub 140g weight - some folks consider low weight to be a performance advantage. we aimed to make a darn comfortable saddle - kileyay made the point that saddle comfort is a performance advantage that he attempted to quantify.

Thank you for your questions.

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Thanks for the responses. Not sure I agree re the innovation-at the end of the day all that matters is results. Also edit-the weight limit for Dash is 95Kgs.

If your saddle is super comfortable then some people would gladly spend that money, as would some people for a bit of bling or bespoke item. And again that's fine if that's your selling point.

But things get murky when you start to try and throw in performance and watts saved etc, especially when comparing to existing saddles like I have, hence my initial questions. All the best.

Thank you.

To clarify: kileyay's point is that the saddle is your most important piece of equipment. What we wrote was that 'some of Wove's DNA can be found in kileyay's post.' He is claiming that the right saddle can mean an increase in watts and reduction in drag. He is not saying that saddle is a Wove saddle (Wove did not exist when he wrote that post) and other than sharing how much our saddle weighs, we are not making performance-gain statements. We agree with Kiley that the saddle is the most important piece of cycling equipment.

In that same post, mathematics wrote, "The right saddle isn't necessarily +30 watts, but the wrong saddle can easily be -30 watts."

While Wove did not exist when kileay wrote that post, he was aware that I was prototyping saddles. We both lived in Philadelphia while I was working on my PhD and we spent a good chunk of time biking together and having lively conversations that are reflected in Wove's products and values. Here's the saddle I was riding/testing at that time: link here.

Innovation: having carbon rails made of unidirectional carbon fiber that spreads throughout the entire shell of the saddle and both pieces being molded at the same time and greatly surpassing ISO standards with 7mm round carbon rails. And then molding liquid foam and cover material directly onto the shell at the same time and doing all of this at a sub-140g weight. (without foam, our shell+rails weighs 70g)

- Maybe you'd need to hold this super light, 30cm long saddle in your hand and see just how well padded the saddle is to truly appreciate all of this.
- Maybe you'd need to work in composites to appreciate this.
- Maybe you'd need to understand that ISO testing consists of 250,000 repetitions of 240lb/1,000 newton-metres on the rear of the saddle - again, we greatly surpassed that weight/force.
If all of that is not considered innovation... well I'll be damned. ha.

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I’ve been wanting to try one of these badly, but struggle on the price also. I have a tub of saddles that suck and still ride one that sucks. Now, if this solved my problem would be the best 600 I ever spent, no question there.

Question, any plans to make it without the extra part on the rear to mount a bottle?

Have you seen our demo program?

wovebike.com/demo

And we have a 30 day money back guarantee.

As of now, no plans to make without the integrated bottle mount, BUT several pros have chosen to not use it and use their bike’s bottle cage mount system or a zip tie solution with no issue. According to British Cycling, the longer rear is more aero (see the direct mount saddle on the Hope Olympic track bike we had a part in).

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I looked early on and didn’t see either. Maybe I missed it or maybe it is new.

Thanks for pointing it out.

There's a number of folks riding around on Specialized Mirror saddles that retail for $450. $595 doesn't seem that high in comparison to those saddles.

I have been thinking about trying the Mags road saddle but I have one more option I want to try before trying the Wove.

I'll be using the Wove V8 for Unbound XL next week.

Why?
- It's the lightest saddle i have (lighter than my Antares 00, Selle Italia SLR, etc)
- I don't worry about it breaking on any of the gnarly stuff on course because ISO testing is way more brutal than anything i'll put it through
- But mostly, it's the most comfortable saddle I've used in all the positions I ride in (tops, hoods, drops, and aerobars). For 350 miles of gravel, comfort is one of the most important considerations

Have you ever been to any triathlon, ever?

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Your speed matters a lot, sometimes you need to be very fast, where sometimes you need to breakdown your speed.

Just added Joe Skipper to our roster. He's been on our V8 saddle for a bit now and he's all in as of this morning, so we're excited about that.

Our roster now includes:

Rudy von Berg (with us since 2019)
Jason West (shot some great video with him last week that we'll have on Instagram soon)
Joe Skipper
Matt McElroy
Neah Evans
Josie Knight
Jason Pohl

some additional top 30 PTO ranked athletes have been testing.

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Honest question, are these athletes reaching out to you to solve a saddle issue or you reaching out to them to get your saddle under them?

      
For Joe, I saw that he had been changing up saddles during the Sub7 project and made a best guess as to what issue he might be having, contacted him, I was correct in my guess and the V8 was a good fit for his needs.

I offered Rudy a prototype in 2019 and he's worked with us ever since, helping us iterate through dozens of prototypes and arrive at the current V8.

The British Cycling women: the British Cycling team requested several saddles to rotate around with their athletes and the riders get to choose.

For Jason West, we reached out to Jason, he tested and tried for some time, has been racing on the V8 all year, and he decided it was the saddle for him. We take our time because a saddle takes time to warm up to, even if it feels great right off the bat.

Jason Pohl has been rotating through different saddles for a couple of years and landed on ours.

Matt McElroy was having issues on his TT bike with his saddle so I offered to let him test the V8 and it worked well for him. We keep a pulse on bike fits and pros reach out to me behind the scenes for bike fit help, so this has been one way we've been in touch, and again, I don't push Wove's saddles if it's not working for someone, and still offer fit assistance as requested.

Some folks reach out to us on their own. But I will say, nobody is riding our saddle because of a fat check, ha. We only want folks riding our saddles because the saddle is working for them. And, if in the future the saddle stops working with them, no hard feelings and maybe we'll see them again in the future and we always take feedback seriously and incorporate (that's on advantage to our US based manufacturing; we can make changes pretty quickly behind the scenes)

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Any reason why both the V8 and Mags use carbon rails, and will you produce versions with metal rails in the future?

We started with our flagship model. Carbon rails because we as a company care about weight and are weight-weenies and a large swath of the target market for this flagship model are also weight-weenies. more about weight, here.

The V8 is ~136g at 30cm long with integrated bottle holder, and Mags is ~126g and both have no rider weight limit. That would not be possible with metal rails. That's where we wanted to start with Wove as a brand. We had no desire to come out of the gate being something for everyone, just everything to someone. It is just the beginning for us as a company.

Yes, there will be future versions, but no further comments at this time.

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Thx!

We're doing a side-by-side comparison of channel width, nose width and width transition and I'll post a preview here.

1. Channel Width: The V8's channel width provides ample soft tissue relief.
2. Nose Width: The V8's nose width supports the pelvic bones - it’s not so narrow that the nose sits between these bones and increases soft tissue pressure & discomfort, and not so wide as to rub & chafe the inner thighs. (nose widths measured at the furthest point forward that the rider can sit on the saddle - saddles with rounded noses are measured further back for this reason)
3. Transition: The V8's transition from rear to nose quickly tapers to get the saddle out of the way to maximize thigh clearance and reduce the likelihood of thigh rub and chafing.

can see hi-quality images on instagram: https://www.instagram.com/...hid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

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Funny, but not so funny story about my Wove V8.

I finished the UnboundXL on Saturday. The mud made it take about 7 hours longer than expected, but that's another story. Hours were spent walking, but even more hours were spent riding, and I never even thought about the saddle all day because I never had any discomfort. That's amazing.

Fast forward a bit... After the race, I was shattered. The extra hours meant I was also awake longer than planned and wasn't able to start refueling as early as I would have liked. I fell asleep at the table right after the finish line. I fell asleep again in the passenger seat of my buddy's car on the 1-mile car ride back to the Air BNB, and then in the Air BNB garage in a camping chair for about an hour while people tried to wake me up. They finally got me in the shower, and then I fell asleep on the floor without eating and stayed asleep on the floor until the next morning. They tried to wake me up to get me in a bed and couldn't.

That's how shattered I was. My friend drove me back to OKC. I had left my car at my friend's bike shop, so he dropped me off there, 9 miles from home. I felt fine to drive by then.

I put my bike on the roof rack of my beloved e46 BMW m3. It's a seasucker rack with 4 cups that vacuum to the sunroof. Now, I should mention that I almost never use this rack. I always try to just use my trunk for my bike, but aerobars make that challenging; especially with all the extra stuff I was taking up to the race.

So I'm on the phone with my wife as I pull into my driveway and slowly pull into the garage, and I hear a crunch. I'm so out of it that I immediately assume I must have hit my side wall with my mirror, but the mirror looks fine. That's when I realized how big of an idiot I was. My bike doesn't fit into the garage on the roof rack.

I jumped out of the car and saw that the seasucker was ripped off the roof. I'm not sure how much force it takes to rip off all 4 cups, but I did it. It pulled the sunroof glass up and out of the car, bending the mechanism of the sunroof. It scratched the crap out of my roof. I was in horror.

But..

The bike looks totally fine. The Wove V8 was the piece of the bike that made contact with my house. There's a mark on my house the width of the nose of the saddle. I don't see a single crack on the saddle. Somehow my 3T Exploro isn't showing any cracks either. I'm going to have somebody with a bit more brain power than me look it over, but I don't see cracks, don't hear creaking, and a ride around my neighborhood felt totally normal on it. I have a feeling if any other part of the bike had made contact, I'd have a broken bike.

So now I need to deal with a broken sunroof. I feel like such a dummy, but wanted to share my experience and give kudos to one heck of a strong saddle.

Wow Rob! That’s one heck of a story and epic race with a tragic ending for your car, house but luckily not bike/saddle!

Stephen of Rodeo Labs finished on a single speed with our Mags saddle (we’ll post some pics on instagram soon).

Have to imagine you’re still catching up on sleep!

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Wow. A lot of amazing things in that story! Sounds like some pretty serious hypoglycemia! I'm amazed you finished the race.

Also amazing that a 130g piece of carbon fiber attached to a bike by carbon fiber rails a few mm thick can take that amount of force and be ok. I drove a Felt IA into the top of my garage once and the fork crunched.

I used to really like my Adamo saddle that is now on my road bike on my trainer. Now that I have gotten used to my Wove saddle, the Adamo seems seriously uncomfortable beyond an hour.... I've gotten spoiled now.

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I saw him - and his Mags saddle - in one of Ben Delaney's YT clips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZgdQg6p1D4 Head to about the 7:44 mark.

Awesome! I hadn't seen that.

I LOVE Stephen's feature in this Escape Collective article - so many people were complaining about the mud, but scroll to his take, pure gold and the true spirit of gravel, imo: https://escapecollective.com/...2023-unbound-gravel/

"Not all riders were angry about the decision not to detour around the early mud pit. Like Stephen Fitzgerald, who completed the 200-mile race and pointed to the difficulty of Unbound as one of its defining features.


'So glad you had the courage to leave this section in,” he wrote on a comment under a video from the official Unbound account. “The spectrum of weather and course conditions has always been a part of the Unbound experience. This isn’t the first mud year and hopefully it won’t be the last.


'We’ve recently had many super dry and hot years with super high race speeds, and it was high time that nature reminded us that the Flint Hills are still wild, and so is gravel. You can go for a 200 mile ride anywhere, any day [of] the week, but Unbound only happens in one place, once a year.'"

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Nice write up by Ronan for his North to South end-to-end Ireland 15 hour record-setting ride

https://escapecollective.com/...w-end-to-end-record/

Some of his Ride Stats:

568 km
15hrs30min total time
15hrs07min moving time
37.5 kph moving average
4,529 m elevation gain
677 TSS
11,523 KJ
49:51 left right balacne
214 avg power, 234 Normalised Power
82 rpm average
CdA: 0.205 (calculated)

"I spent the winter refining that time-trial position on my Factor Hanzo TT bike and tried several saddles before finally opting for a Wove V8 TT saddle to avoid any issues. Improving comfort and positional sustainability was the first step. [..] I had chosen the Wove V8 saddle because the cover offers improved grip, the wide nose offers plenty of support, and the deep central channel means I can run less-negative saddle tilt without creating a pressure point on the nose. I found these three features combined in a saddle offered me much more support in the TT position. Saddle support is often overlooked in time trial setup. The upper body cannot relax into the time trial position without adequate support."

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Also announced Jason West on our saddle. He's been racing on it for the entire 2023 season: https://www.instagram.com/...hid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

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HAHA This is a awesome..

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Life is short. Dont be mad all the time.

Rudy von Berg on Wove V8 saddle:
https://www.instagram.com/...hid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Joe Skipper on Wove V8 saddle:
https://www.instagram.com/...hid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Braden Currie on Wove Mags saddle:
https://www.instagram.com/...hid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

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Two updates:

We've launched our water bottle cage strap made to hold bts bottle securely in place: https://wovebike.com/bottle-loop

I posted more info over in this thread: https://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ost=8012581#p8012581



Second, due to our demand being high, we are increasing production capacity for 2024 and offering special pricing to early adopters for 2024 Mags Road+Gravel saddles. Click here for early adopter pricing: https://wovebike.com/mags-ea

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Hi there in Boulder Colorado,

the MAGS saddle is on my check list for Chrome*Luzié .. 3 check points are open and I'd like to ask for help ..

• the lenght from the nose to the furthest mark on the saddle rail for clamping ??
• the wide .. let's say at the middle of the nose ??
• any experiences with the Cervélo two position seat post clamp from the first S5 Models 2012 ??

.. that two position post is a bit tricky, it needs very high clamping forces to keep the angle right with a big boom arm, at the moment it is 178mm from the nose to the furthest clamp point .. the clamping is shearing and the opposite surfaces are .. small ..





.. thanks for helping me staying pretty fast some minutes longer .. oSo >>


.. ah .. and how could it get shipped [taxes] to Heidelberg, Germany ??

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See below and let me know if this helps!

note: your picture is of a single nose saddle. the distance from the tip of the nose to the rear most clamp area is apples to oranges when comparing to Wove's saddles and any other snub nose saddle or split nose saddle. Thank you!

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.. yep .. that shows exactly what I was asking for .. thank you very much .. you are right with my single nose saddle [Ergon SR Men] .. I just need a reference for overlay pics to get an idea what is possible in improvement .. without loosing basics .. in a first view the length of the V8 is nice .. the top view will give more insight .. it's after midnight here .. tomorow is another day .. people keep on learning ..

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Great! Definitely check out our instagram page for side by side comparisons to other popular saddles, and we have a 30 day return policy to make it easy to try. I’m confident you’ll get far enough forward. Thank you!

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.. on insta I found Wove via Simmons this spring .. I like his music taste .. ;-)

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Closest thing to a Black Friday deal we’ll offer: https://wovebike.com/early-adopter

had a number of people PM us about deals.

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Just want to chime in and give my feedback as I have purchased the V8 saddle for my new SC build.
I was coming from a COBB PLUS / JCOB Delta P saddle.

I was feeling a bit un-easy about spending this kind of money on a saddle, but I have been VERY happy with the Wove saddle so far.

Communication from the guys at WOVE has been very good and also accommodating as I had a special request that they did not hesitate to help with.

The saddle arrived well packaged, with 30oz Wove-branded insulated bottle, dogbone to mount a bottle cage and the "bottle retention system" (now optional I believe).

The look and feel of the saddle itself feels really good and high-quality.

It's super light at under 140g, the difference in weight holding the saddle it replaced in comparison was very impressive.
Carbon weave looks awesome..

Love that it has an integrated bottle cage mount.



Here's the bottom view of the saddle. Also shows the dogbone installed allowing to retain the bottle cage in place.



Loaded:


Above is how I plan to run it.

While I was looking forward to the 'bottle retention system' provided by Wove, I thought it was a bit "bulky" especially when not in use. I decided to just use the same type of elastic I've been using in the past ~8 years instead (the elastic part of a Bongo Tie from Amazon). It's easy to loop it on the cage tab when not in use so nothing is sticking out. The elastic is just sandwiched between the saddle and the cage at the screw closest to the seatpost, so it's captive there. I've never launched a bottle with that in place.


On Wove's site they say you can technically mount 2 bottle cages vertically but warn that you likely can only ride in aero position because the back of the bottle will hit your bum when sitting.
I think this is easily addressed with a small and cheap (and lightweight) accessory: Wolf Tooth B-RAD 2 bracket that allows to relocate a cage axially further back.


(I may have had to find different length screws)

Side note: Just for fun, I played with this and see if I could "mimic" the aero setup that some pros seem to be going for with an Aero bottle mounted below (for aerodynamics only) and the actual bottle used for hydration above.(i.e. Magnus). There;s no way to tell if this below would have any benefit at all - these guys I am sure have tweaked their setup very precisely using some form of aero testing - but in principle I could do the below configuration and the bottle was clear of my butt when sitting.
I have NOT tried to ride this outside so I can't confirm


Back on topic.. First time I sat on the saddle I thought the padding was a tad firm.. but mostly because I was mindful of how it felt, riding with a new saddle. After a bit of riding, both in aero and seated positions I completely forgot about the saddle itself and did not feel any discomfort.

Keep in mind I only rode maybe 8 times on it, most rides between 45 and 90 minutes and the longest ride was only 2.5h - but so far I am very happy with it and feel good about my purchase.

Thought this might be helpful for someone on the fence, to see another piece of feedback :)

Kudos to the designers and makers of this awesome saddle!

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Thank you so much for the review! Definitely report back on the feel of the foam. We really wanted the ideal balance of firmness but 11mm deep foam that takes the edge off rough roads.

We love the Wolftooth B-RAD solutions. Another option for when someone wants side by side BTS bottles is to mount the B-Rad extension plate you used under the saddle, still keeping the dog bone on the bottom and sandwiching that plate, and then add these double bottle brackets: https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/...-bottle-cage-adapter

Last, the handles for the bottle retention system were 3D printed, but we’ve moved to injection molding them (nylon glass fill) so that they’re lighter and stronger and reshaped to be a tad more ergonomic:



As for the loop hanging when not in use - we’d recommend always having a bottle back there even if empty just for the possible aero gains.

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What gadget has Joe Skipper used there to get his BTS angle more upright? Looks like a modified Profile Design RMP or RM 10, but it’s not obvious to me how you could mod those for such a clean attachment.

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He and Harry from Evolve doctored an RML, RM 10 or 21 mount with our hardware.

Most pros played with keeping the bottle more upright, but are going to the default more flat/aero bottle position our V8 offers and using our retention loop.

See Rudy’s, West’s and Sam’s most recent set ups on instagram. The retention loop keeps bottles as large as 1,000ml safe and secure over the roughest of roads and bumps.

Rudy von Berg: https://www.instagram.com/...MWE2NWdhY3Q0M2ZubQ==

Jason West: https://www.instagram.com/...MWhhZ3Z1NDYxbGZpZQ==

Sam Long: https://www.instagram.com/...MTI5dGE5YTN5bWxyNA==

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Chiming into this thread to say I tried out several saddles for my new TT fit and the Wove was FAR AND AWAY the best saddle, for me at least. I’ve now spent about 20-30 hours on it over a few weeks (riding in a TT position for the first time ever) and it’s been great.

Perhaps even better than the saddle is the individual customer service and the feel like you are interacting with real humans who really care and know their stuff.

Very vey glad to use this saddle

Review and podcast over on Escape Collective. Has been a lot of fun going back-and-forth with Ronan on bike fits for a couple of years now, and this article and podcast are the result of that:

https://escapecollective.com/...think-about-saddles/

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I have Wove saddle and I love it but i need to have 2 bottles behind it. how can we solve it? i cannot use the flat attach because i am not able to reach it.
i need something more straight, on the sides, like Wing from Xlab but it doesnt work because the rails are too far for the Wing

anybody found a solution?

I hear you that using the Wolftooth B-Rad extender with the Wolftooth B-Rad double bottle mount, while lower profile, would make the reach too far,
you can alternatively use an Ice Bottle cage riser with those b-rad double bottle mounts to angle the bottle and keep the reach shorter.

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Hey Miles, I saw your early adopter V8 TT delivery is quoting August 2024. Is that due to batch manufacturing? Or do you have them available to ship but just have that warning there?

Ideally I'd ship to a US address while I'm there on vacation end of April. Import fees to Canada are a pain, and double if I have to return.

Thanks.

Hi there, this current V8 is available immediately: https://wovebike.com/v8saddle

The early adopter saddles are with a new manufacturer for larger production quantities that we are in the process of getting up and going, with a focus on our Mags saddle first. We are offering those at significant discounts for the purpose of bringing cash in the door to help us find this manufacturing cost. Thank you!

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Are you still expecting to deliver early adopter Mags saddles in May?

As of today, we are on track.

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Thanks for the quick reply.

Hey Ed,

We’re on similar bikes & saddle setup. I’m currently testing a V8 now.

On average, how much more did you have to lift the seat post? How about saddle tilt? My old dash was tilted around 3°. Kept the same for the wove & I felt like I was sliding off. Thanks.

Saddle height: you can measure top of saddle to bb for both to keep it the same.

As for sliding, the V8 is uber-grippy, so I'd be curious to see your fit. I'll PM you my number to send a video by whatsapp for quick feedback, if that works for you.

Nick

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I can't remember exactly but maybe a few mm. Just keep the top of the part of the saddle you're in contact with the same distance from the bottom bracket as before.

I think I'm nose down about 1.5 degrees. Like Nick says, I find the saddle really grippy, I couldn't imagine feeling like I was slipping off, even if I went really far nose down.

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Adding my 2 cents since I am a new user of Wove as of a few weeks ago. I'm down about 3-4 degree and raised the saddle about 4 mm so far, but slide the saddle back about 5 mm from original installation. I'm still playing with the height/tilt stuff. My inclination is to actually tilt it back up about 1 degree as it's a bit too tilted downward to be secure feeling on long rides or sitting up. So...1 (maybe 1.5 mm degree up, and then raise the saddle yet another 1 mm).

I can't say it has any of the back of the leg "bumping"/irritation I've felt with the Dash due to the short nose--on the hamstring (which was about level mounted, not tilted down at all)...so that is a relief. The longer Wove nosed saddle just seems to work--can't say exactly why--it's like getting in a car with more leg room. The only "con" I have really found so far is taking out/putting in the water bottle on the seat cage, it's just is not working out too well...reaching far back (instead of DOWN just past the back of seat & partial bottle length to line it up, I have to pretty much stop pedaling and turn & look...if you drop it in a race you're screwed and have to turn around again. I'm used to a BTA and a downtube bottle & it's worked out excellent despite the downtube bottle not being the most aero. Can't say I'm any better at lining it up than day 1--I'll give it more time though...it's a learning process (or I'm just that uncoordinated--probably more likely than anything...)

You can use this bracket to angle the BTS bottle cage to be more upright: https://bentupcycles.com/...ce-bottle-cage-riser

In general and not just Kevin: I am available to give quick feedback on fit, because many saddle issues are fit issues.

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I think I’m getting the hang of it better. I’m still playing around with tilt, height, fore/aft.
The main difference for me vs the Dash is how they’re both shaped differently. From a side profile, the Dash slopes down a bit, so that same angle on the Wove gave me that feeling like I’m falling forward (not necessarily sliding since it’s very grippy. I’ve got tilted it up .5-1°.

I was very pleased to get a 5-hr trainer ride done on my 2nd use of the saddle with little to minimal discomfort.

That behind-the-saddle bottle is one I need to experiment on. Just like you, I want it angled up a bit. I also intend to stack 2 bottles since IM has banned the bottle down the kit. That for me was a necessity to carry nutrition than for aero purposes.

Maybe on the next iteration/gen saddle V8 can have a lower mount hole that is closer to the person's body, by about 1/2 inch. The bottle is going to tilt upwards slightly--enough to ease bottle entry & still is shielded by the person's butt. Just a suggestion--aerodynamically I highly doubt there would be any difference in drag since it's already behind the butt...

Great to hear on adjusting to the saddle.

As for the more horizontal cage and re: Kevin's suggestion above, we don't plan to change the angle with all of our pro athletes and over 200 amateurs are A OK with the current more horizontal, aerodynamic position (+5 degree tilt of bottle).

That said, consider the bracket I linked to above to change the angle if that's truly what you need. https://bentupcycles.com/...ce-bottle-cage-riser

For two bottles, you can use the above bracket with these Wolftooth double bottle adaptors for a super secure and light double bottle set up: https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/...-bottle-cage-adapter

And, for two bottles at the more horizontal position, you can use this Wolftooth bracket to mount the double bottle adaptors to: https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/...and-accessory-device

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