And “crippling”? A couple watts is more like a nuisance.
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You are right, it may be a couple of watts or a bit more. But I guess if this is of no importance, then why the hassle of running an expensive disc wheel in the first place?
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How big a deal is budget ? Where are you located ?
Aerocoach definitely makes a fast wheel. Not sure about weight
I personally find, borders/tarriffs/shipping…make it more difficult
The conclusion on this thread and several others is that end users don’t bother to educate themselves.
I don’t know what Hed’s testing showed, but given some of the comments about differences between Cadex / Vittoria vs Conti tires, and other comments about people using the wrong tire size, perhaps they decided to use one conservative value on their wheels.
They might actually answer that question if you asked.
I didn’t say no importance, I just think calling it “crippling” is a bit over the top.
I was thinking it would be useful to make a list of popular wheels, figure out their manufacture / shipping situations, and list some of the expected actual prices (incl. tariffs) in the USA.
But with my experience ordering a bike box, what you think the duties are supposed to be isn’t obvious and the actual amount can be different 
The OP mentions performance and reputable brand
Take all the discs to the tunnel and from an aero point of view they are really close. Like really close. There is a WT team that did this recently.
From a “reputable brand” perspective, I look at things like the quality of the information the manufacturer publishes and how credible it is. Lose points for some of the BS some vendors publish
It is unfortunate DT Swiss is getting a black mark due to that recall because their data is solid and the wheels REALLY good. I have 65s but have tested several athletes with the disk
The quality of information is what got me interested in Parcours. I find the information they publish looks solid. I never tried them and was a little disappointed to here one contributor found them “noisy”. A recent set of zipp 808s drove me nuts with the sound it makes when not pedalling so this would annoy me for sure. But in terms of quality information they are amazing
Crash policy is something I would look at.
In hindsight, my Premier was the right choice. Cost efficient, I have had great service and I know they back their designs up with extensive testing. They could probably publish a bit more but hey, very few seem to do that these days.
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if you like not to pedal you should get hookless wheels ( with slower wheels you coast less … )
looks like I found an advantage for hookless wheels lol
The mistake was not getting the 858s instead of 808s. :). The Cognition v2 hub on the 858s is silent because it disengages.
I wish I could demo a Parcours wheel to see how it is. I’m also now curious if the loud freehub is both Shimano and XDR or just one in particular.
you haven’t been following along I guess 
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I almost, and probably should have, qualified that statement with “for less noise”.
But I didn’t want to diverge even more into a discussion of how bad Zipp hubs have been over the years 
How heavy is it? What is the problem with the looks?
Thank you for your thoughts.
Yes, DT Swiss ARC are good wheels and they have just updated them in July. They haven’t touched the disc though - it is still the relatively modest internal/external width optimized for 25mm tires. Not that it is bad, even if you run a 28mm tire, just a bit out of sync with the latest trend on the widths. This, combined with potential recall related disruptions, doesn’t make it a no-brainer choice.
Princeton is another option, modern, good looking and expensive, however their site has very scarce data and contained some mistakes about their wheels. A bit surprising for such a premium product.
With the premium they charge, you’d think they could afford a better website design with more details.
1100g I think
Looks : I just don’t fancy the black mat color with the logo, but the quality is fine.
Still thinking about the DT Swiss or Swiss Side (they are essentially the same) disc wheel. As it is still the old 20mm internal width, how much of an aero disadvantage would be to run it with a 28mm tire? Appreciate your thoughts.
The gains of running the disc probably far outweigh the aero penalty (if there is one) of running a 28mm rear tire. I had the Swiss Side version and ran 28’s with zero fitment issues at a nice and comfortable PSI.
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I just looked at HED’s site. If you choose the Vanquish pro wheels, regardless of which wheel/depth you choose, if you then expand the ‘Tire Pressure’ drop down (+ sign), it says:
Max Use:
25mm tire: 72 psi / 5 bar
28mm tire: 72 psi / 5 bar
I’ve been shopping around, looking at Princeton, Caden, etc., but I’ve always been a fan of HED wheels going back 3 decades. Our ambassador team just had a video call/presentation with Anne and a couple of the other folks there, and that prob sealed the deal for me, like the idea of supporting their company. I think I will prob get the Vanquish pro disc and 80 front for next year. And likely put 28mm Conti TT tubeless on them.
I don’t think tire width on the back matters much. I think the trend for world tour riders is 28mm in back on time trial bikes.
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You are probably concerned abut the rule of 105 ?
FWIW, JP Ballard, the guy behind the aero design of the DT said it did not apply to that wheel and 28 was just fine. I trust him.
I ran the DT65 against the Zipp808 with 28, front and rear and the DT won.
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As a current HED Vanquish Pro owner (62/84/Disc) I’d only really consider replacing them with the Parcours offerings. They’re slightly wider and I’ve read good things about them from people way smarter than me (@marcag).