I just cannot comprehend how evil someone must be to do this.

His father should be charged for aiding. He knew he was evil and sponsored his gun application.

Saw that on Twitter… scooped up by some other bystanders fleeing, sock soaked in someone else’s blood. Bystanders reached out to Twitter and to the police to try to find the parents.

So darkly moving knowing that the last thing mom and dad did was shield their child.

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“You are experiencing the criminal coverup of a foreign backed fascist hostile takeover of a mafia shakedown of an authoritarian religious slow motion coup. Persuade people to vote for Democracy.”

That headline is an absolute gut punch. Maybe I'm just being sensitive as it's literally the first thing I read in the LR this morning but it might be nice to keep that info in body of your post and keep the title a bit less sensationalized.

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Long Chile was a silly place.

I just cannot comprehend how evil people are to support the NRA and how evil people are to support politicians who sabotage every effort to reduce the 400 MILLION guns in US circulation.

The evil of gun enablers is far greater than the evil of mentally ill folks.

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The title is true. No reason to change it. Shit like this NEEDS to make people sensitive/pissed/revolted.

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I understand that. I don't think posting that title is moving the outrage/revolt meter on anyone further then, you know, the actual mass shooting already did.

I guess my tolerance for tragedy porn is pretty low.

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Long Chile was a silly place.

I can understand that. I read the story and it broke my heart. I don't tell my wife about incidents I see on the internet where children are hurt or killed because it upsets her too much. Nothing wrong with being overly sympathetic.

Yes, by all means let's sanitize the reality of what happened to avoid offending people's sensitivities.

Please show me where he indicated that he wanted to sanitize the reality of what happened.

I guess in order to avoid sanitizing the reality, we should all see the explicit photos of the dead bodies whenever there is a shooting.

I know this is far afield from the tragedy, but I’ll never understand why people are so black and white. We go from stating the actual facts in a thread title to “well why don’t we show the dead bodies”. People do the same thing with mask policy “I’m not gonna stay isolated forever”. I’m not sure why people refuse to acknowledge that there is a middle ground. In anything.

In a little happier news about the goodness of people, the family go fund me is at $2.1 M this morning.

Not having a go, but how would suggest it be titled otherwise? Would a softer title still have you open the thread and if so, could it not have gone the other way; lulling you in then shocking you?

I would think the impact to you doesn’t change other than perhaps delay the revolt by a few mins?

My eldest child was in kindergarten during Sandy Hook. We have had school threats multiple times each year for the past 5 years. A synagogue less than 4 blocks from us was attacked by a gun man. I was nervous going to a fireworks show at our high school football field, even though I knew we had extra security. The gun violence keeps getting closer and closer, right? It feels inevitable that it will affect each of us personally.

I don’t know why I write this post. It’s piling on for no good purpose. I ranted about handcuffs for a long time in the 60-shots-to-a-fleeing-suspect thread. I saw a lot of piling on in the 10-year-old-rape-case thread when Barry posted. What’s the point of piling on?

Complaining about gun violence or injustice seems to get us nowhere. So we complain about something else?

Everyone grieves in their own way, and we should make allowances for people when they are confronted with bad news. So, I’m sorry you saw this headline this morning and it made you feel bad. The news about that toddler makes me feel bad too.

The first line of his post would have been a great substitute: "the cost of American gun culture" or whatever it was. He could have even included a warning about the contents.

I dunno. I've said my piece. I don't see the benefit of posting what he did other then to perpetuate the shock and awe culture of modern journalism to get eyes-on stories. Apparently others disagree. We just had a crazy shooting in my town, and I have a young kid so maybe it's all just hitting close to home but I really don't see the point in bludgeoning people over the head with that headline. Again it just strikes me as tragedy porn. To each their own. Hopefully the OP will at least thoughtfully consider this perspective.

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Long Chile was a silly place.

I blame video games in part.

The constant theme of shooting and killing, in my opinion, can desensitize the reality of it.

Unrelated to that thought, a coworker bought an assault rifle. When I asked why, he said just to take to the range.

Our new house is about 3 miles from a gun range. I hear assault rifles all the time. When purchased, we had no idea about the gun range.

If you're target shooting, isn't it more challenging to use a rifle than an assault gun? Might as well have hand grenades readily available.

http://we should all see the explicit photos of the dead bodies whenever there is a shooting.

I wouldn't mind locking all of the senators and representatives who are in the NRA's back pocket in a room and forcing them to view these photos. Sometimes a hammer is the most effective.

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Dude, it’s the guns. They are being marketed and trafficked to children, who are in turn being radicalized and incited.

Same as cigarettes, same as cars, same as anything.

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I hear what you’re saying and I’m sympathetic to where it comes from. I don’t necessarily agree with it but I appreciate that everyone processes this never ending tragedy in their own way and time.

Anyone piling on here needs to find a better way to spend their time and show some compassion for the other victims in this nonsense, which is pretty much all of us.

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To be fair, bigger boom is more fun. If it was all about the challenge of hitting the target all target shooting would be done with light guns and air guns. There is no doubt that touching off a .58 muzzle loader gives more of a thrill than shooting a .22 short out of a small rifle. It is along the same lines as why motorcycle riders tend to go fast.

Of course that has nothing to do with whether or not it justifies being able to buy a higher powered large ammo capacity weapon.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

A rifle cartridge based on the 50 BMG gives the biggest bang.

Can we please, please expel this vile piece of garbage from Congress.

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F*ck yes.

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Yes, ABSOLUTELY.

Until we change our depraved murderous gun laws, we should ALL be forced to see the photos of the results of our complacency.

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Yep, it's the guns.

Yes, we absolutely should.

The problem with that is that in Japan video games are even more popular than they are in the US. And you don't see this happening in Japan.

The issue isn't video games. The issue isn't drugs. The issue isn't mental illness. The issue isn't unlocked doors. The issue isn't that there aren't enough people with guns to stop the bad guys with guns.

The issue is that the US has a culture of guns and gun violence and you refuse to do anything meaningful about it.

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To be honest, the only thing that will finally move this country to shift away from the gun culture is a VIDEO of a classroom full of small kids being shredded by an AR-15. The horror of what really goes on in these incidents is completely sanitized by the time we read about it.

My brother and his merry band of Facebook idiots were suggesting something similar. That in some way this was planned by the Dems and that the timing of this with the new gun legislation was “too coincidental.”

I guess he subscribes to her newsletter. Fuck them all. There are innocent people who just died needlessly at a 4th July parade, and people want to turn it into a political conspiracy theory. What’s wrong with people?

"MAGA month"?

Of course she will be in Congress as long as she wants. The GOP isn't turning on her. They love her out there lighting the fires.

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What is a culture of gun violence, is it a love of shooting things in real life? I mean I think kids globally enjoy shooting things virtually. The gaming chart above demonstrates that. I’m not sure all these mass murderers had vast experience shooting guns in real life.

As such I would suggest it’s as simple as ease of access commercially and consequently, the proliferation in the general public which compounds the accessibility.

The advertising of guns, the targeted advertising of guns. The worshipping of guns. The “you needs gun to be safe” bullshit that is peddled. There’s so much to it you can’t even put it into words.

And yes on top of all that, the ease of access.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

This is gun culture. She would shoot her own Grandchildren to “protect them”.

https://twitter.com/...SaFzb2-VXDOvohDoCK5g

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

I would say this is the price of a system that doesn't work. People should be able to own guns unless it is deemed that they shouldn't. This dude is the prime example of someone who should have been disqualified from owning guns. There were 2 instances that should have kept him from being granted access: the attempted suicide & the police response to his wanting to "kill everyone". How in the hell did he make it through the process. Its the process that needs to be fixed,

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Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.

Yes, but Republicans are against national Red Flag laws and many red states are against them too. Why? Because they are more worried about a borderline risk case being denied access to guns than they are worried about mass shootings. That’s just a fact.

She needs to destroy her grandchildren to save them.

Slowman can ban me if he wants but that woman is a cunt. Maybe the truth will set me free!

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Depends on the type of target shooting. If doing untimed bench rest shooting, "assault rifles" are not the greatest. Specialized bolt-action rifles are the preference. Modified bolt action hunting rifles are probably also preferable. (and I'm including the AR-15 for the sake of argument even though many would argue it's not an assault rifle.)

If doing silhouette shooting from a standing or crouching position, then something like an AR-15 is quite good, and closes the gap a lot. Particularly if it's timed shooting. Light weight, etc.

(I don't have a ton of experience, but did semi-competitive target shooting, including with an AR-15, as a teenager). Even at the time I wasn't a fan of the AR. My dad was an AR-15 fetishist. Though he fought in Vietnam and then went into the FBI right after, he didn't get the AR until his Rush Limbaugh phase took hold.

People should be able to own guns unless it is deemed that they shouldn't.
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I think you have this backwards. People should not be allowed to own guns until it is deemed that they should. The ease of access to guns of any type is a major issue in our gun problem.

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Umm........constitution, maybe?

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Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.

Are you suggesting that the Constitution forbids gun permits, safety classes, background checks, mental health screenings, and a bunch of other potential pre-requisites for gun ownership?

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You wrote "......people should not be allowed to own guns....."

I countered with the fact that The Constitution (in the Bill of Rights) says they are allowed.........

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Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.

You wrote "......people should not be allowed to own guns....."

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Close. I wrote, ".....people should not be allowed to own guns UNTIL.....", to which you countered with the Constitution. According to your counter, the Constitution forbids the "until"? We already have some 'until' in our gun ownership. We need a lot more and better 'untils' in our gun ownership, which is the 'deemed that they should' part.

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But the bold part is not what the Constitution (Bill of Rights) says. The 2nd amendment allows people to own guns.

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Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.

So are you suggesting that the Constitution forbids gun permits, safety classes, background checks, mental health screenings, and a bunch of other potential pre-requisites for gun ownership?

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The second amendment does not say, “individuals will have the right to own any weapon they want at any age and under any circumstances.”

Culture: Worshiping a metal/mechanical penis marketed to children and then radicalizing and then inciting said children.

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I am not opposed to the things listed in your post. But I'm not a lawyer or a judge (& certainly not a Supreme Court Justice) so my opinions are just that.....my opinions.

But you (not you specifically but the general "you") can't say "people (specifically US citizens) are not allowed to own guns until ____________ (insert specifics here)" because the bottom line is the Constitution says people are allowed to own guns.

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Clearly, that is not how the constitution is legally interpreted, as many restrictions are in place right now regarding who can own guns, and what type of guns may be owned.

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What the constitution allows and what it should allow are two separate issues.

While I'm here, things that the 2A does NOT address. Regulation of:
Sales of arms or ammunition
Manufacturing of arms or ammunition
Transfer of possession of arms or ammunition

I don't disagree with you. But presently, the Constitution allows US Citizens to own guns & it is a heck of process to get that changed.

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Why not?

Are kids allowed to buy guns? Based on your logic, 10 year olds MUST be allowed to buy guns because the Constitution says people are allowed to own guns. So are 10 year olds allowed to buy guns or not?

Let’s not pretend changing the constitution is the only way to achieve common sense gun laws. We had them before under this SAME constitution.

Given what we have seen in recent weeks with the unsettling of settled law, I would expect people to understand how the constitution is wide open to interpretation.

It was the Heller case that said individuals have a right to guns, so perhaps that’s something to unsettle too.

We have a law limiting liability for manufacturers and dealers for negligence. That’s something to get rid of— if everyone else has to be liable for negligence, the gun makers and dealers should too. Those bastards shouldn’t get a free pass for their own fuck-ups, right?

Interestingly, the 2A does not even cover guns. Instead it says "arms".

I am no legal scholar, but my understanding is that 'arms' is a much, much broader word than guns. Websters' says that arms includes most any means (such as a weapon) of offense or defense.

And that is a HUGE category.

Maybe citizens should be able to own ICBMs too?

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She is very mad that people had the audacity to show video of her quote in full. In typical Trumpkin fashion she can't just admit she misspoke.



Congresswoman Debbie Lesko

It never ceases to amaze me the lengths gun control zealots will go! They turned my speech about protecting Second Amendment rights and my right to protect my grandchildren from violent criminals into a claim I would harm my own grandchildren. Absolutely ridiculous!

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No we don't. What you're thinking of (the PLCAA) says that gun manufacturers can't be sued for how someone else uses their products. Manufacturers are still liable for defects in design and manufacturing, failure to follow existing laws and statues, etc.

Is it common for an entire industry to be completely shielded from reasonably foreseeable misuse?

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Remember when lawn darts were a thing? Then they decided that too many people were getting injured through misuse of lawn darts?

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

I blame the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Just as credible as your theory.

I feel like you know the answer to that. I'd love to run a simulation of the PLCAA being repealed and its effect on gun advertising over a couple of years.

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