Updated (late 2024) list of super aero bar extentions

I mentioned Tetsuo in another thread - I put Matt McElroy on these bars this year and I am pretty impressed with their price, weight, and ability to get the rider’s cup reach quite a bit further forward, safely: Masamune– Tetsuo

We put Sam and Trevor on the Evolve bars this year, and Harry is always innovating in awesome ways. His rear super deep Kona tri spoke wheel looks awesome.

Rudy has been on Uniquo Custom but he is doing a quick bike sponsor update for Kona (a surprise) and so we needed bars pretty quickly and went with the new Speedbar Pro bars, and Trevor has been trying those as well. They both like those bars, but the maker of those bars did have quite a bit of trouble matching the cup and extension stack/reach numbers we provided him.

The D2Z .66 bars are nice and relatively affordable, though once you place the cup 4-6cm forward of the basebar, the distance from the rear of the cup to the tip of the extension is about 38 cm, which is too short for a lot of these pros.

Our stationary expo bike will have Speeco ABB 2.0 drop bars with their custom aluminum aerobars mounted (removable) - will have at Kona and at a good chunk of the Ironman pro tour next year, and gravel events.

The underside of Magnus’s bars are well shaped for aerodynamics - I don’t think you can compare the flat underside of the Canyon bars Kat tested to what Magnus’s team made for him.

Thanks! Most of the extentions you are mentioning (spare the D2Z) are 2000+ USD.
My real question was: Why are we not seeing more super extentions options/products at lower prices?

If bike makers were to standardize the bolt spacing on their base bars, I think we could see significantly more affordable aftermarket superbar solutions.

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:slight_smile:

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Culprit is doing testing on theirs. Coming when ready. Pricing will be under 1000

I dunno dude, you’ve been saying coming soon for the better part of two years now

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Interesting comment about D2Z, they always seemed so dang short to me and more geared towards UCI regs? AeroCoach also seemed a bit short but they were able to make me custom end grippers 30mm longer than standard, giving me plenty of length between my elbows and extensions.

The D2Z .66 are non-UCI tri focused

They are quite a bit longer, but for riders over 6’ who also have their cups sitting 4 to 6 cm ahead of the base bar, they are several cm too short. But they are most likely plenty long enough for most people.

You can see that as you move the cup forward, you reduce the distance from the rear of the cup to the end of the extension.

A large part of the cost is in brackets/adaptors.
For instance, the PD ASC Pro MSRP has nearly 40% tied up in the brackets.
In the case of PD, those parts are forged, which means the unit cost is low, but the tooling has to be amortised. The quantity the mould costs can be amortised over is limited by the throughput of the carbon moulds.
You also need to amortise the carbon moulds, testing, samples etc.

If you look at a small aftermarket company, often they are CNCing the alloy parts, which means the upfront cost is low, but the unit cost stays high. It also allows the ability to iterate quickly and produce adaptors for different bars. Their carbon parts will also be from small batches, which increases the cost of producing those.
However, most small companies are selling direct so they can achieve a high margin.

The idea of a standardised basebar mount pattern is therefore not all that useful. A standardised riser and bracket mount is what you really need to bring the cost down without compromising safety.

And safety is a big problem. A lot of these aftermarket parts exceed the design parameters of the basebars. The D2Z that Nick shared a pic of is longer than most basebars are tested for. Even if a company has done testing of their parts, if the whole system hasn’t been tested there is a high risk of breaking the basebar with the current extended systems.

Someone commented about Culprit taking ages - I happen to know he is spending the time on making sure his products are safe. Which is time consuming and I don’t think it is happening to an acceptable level with some brands.

Before I rant about semantics I’ll point out that I consult to PD but am not an official representative of the company and my views are my own.

I think we need to be careful of terminology. Super implies some things. And we ran into this problem with bikes. Superbikes was a term coined to cover bikes with specific bars. But the inference was then that the bikes were superior. Which was not (and still isn’t) the case.

As mentioned in the article - the Shiv Tri was hampered by the bars. As is the current Speed Concept. Those bikes (and many others) are not faster for being designed as a complete system.

Similarly, using super-bars to refer to an arm hugging extension implies superior performance. Which is not the case in many instances.

That does come back to the brackets/risers in large part, the clunky adaptors and flat mounting surfaces are not great for airflow.

Reasons for the performance decrement aside. The number one focus for aerobars needs to be adjustability to get the rider into their best position. If you can then find a full-arm extension that allows the same position and doesn’t have a messy interface, then maybe you have a super-bar.

/rant

As an example of the above, I fitted a rider this week using frontal area measurement as a first step optimisation. Once we had dialled in his best position I added the ASC Pro. At first, the difference in cup shape meant I got the pad width wrong, which immediately showed up in the FA measurement. A bit of adjustment got the same FA. So his position wasn’t compromised by the full-arm bar and they will give an aero improvement on the road. Plus he is stoked about his bike looking cool :slight_smile:

Sadly 5 months of setbacks this year was from an alloy supplier who kept promising a delivery date and moving it, although I paid alot in molds and samples. In the end I recently cut my losses and had another supplier make. I won’t sell full arm only. I have tried using a standard OEM assembly which is designed for arm cups only and the load of the full arm including hand grip is very different. Plus I am doing stringent fatigue tests. If 1 part fails, example last December the hardware failed it caused a reset til I can test safely the entire assembly. I will only approve a few brands stock adapter like fsa for full arm support designs otherwise you must buy together with my hardware. This is the best and safest way. So unfortunately r&d has setbacks. My new hardware seems good but still needs a full run of testing and also learning min/max on pad range

If the base bar mount dimensions are the same across bars, all of the risers/spacers would be the same, and it would just be on the bar maker to ensure that their bars mate with the standardized risers. But it begins with the base bar mount dimensions.

As for bars being too long for the base bars, this goes back to the thread where several of us were advocating for longer frame reach, and there were some people arguing that was unneeded. I still think frame reach needs to be increased by about 3-4 cm across-the-board for TT/Tri bikes (and also on road bikes with a move to 76deg sta’s).

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Hi there! Is there any mono aero goodies with arm rests for a Speedmax or those are just for Pros? I cannot get why Evolve, D2Z, are any other aftermarket manufacturers do not adjust their full cover mono cockpits for Speedmaxes.

There are a couple of good arguments above of why not, but I agree with you. There must be a market for this and even Canyon could “easily” release their own monobar that folks like Lange and Bækkegaard is using (if I am not mistaken)

One counter-argument could be (as mentioned in another thread here on ST) is that the mono-bar idea will be banned in a near future, as it is seen as a “fairing”
I personally do not see this happening.

I don’t think any bike brands can compete with Canyon in terms of presence among top-performing pro and age group athletes. In addition to Lange, Bæk, there are others like Laidlow, Kyle Smith, L Sanders, Kat Matthews, Laura Philipp, Noodt to name a few.

I also don’t think Ironman or PTO would ban mono-bars.

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Evolve do make a Mono bar. Joe skipper and Same Long use it. Not sure how hard it is to mount to a Speedmax and it’s not cheap.

Robert Wilkowiecki did some aero testing pre Kona and one of the things they test was mono vs two bars. Ended up riding the 2 separate extension from evolve on race day, for what that is worth.

@rockdude mentioned this a while back:

not all mono designs are the same. Some are flat on the bottom. But look at the shape of Ditlev’s monobar…

Replying in general here. I have to say the TriRig Scoops Ultimate SL is the most comfortable setup I’ve ever had on a tri bike. Previously was running the .66 d2z setup and the tririg setup is much more comfortable. Can’t speak on any objective aero data between the 2 setups but I believe comfort = speed.

I wonder if tririg is planning a mono design?

From the latest tririg video stating that most the top 10 finishers for men at Kona had mono design. And the ones that didn’t may have benefited from having one

Seeing as how tririg currently does not sell one it seems they may start to soon?

Link ?