IRONMAN Puts Draft Zones to the Test With Race Ranger and Aero Expert Marc Graveline

I just got around to watching the PTN video now - and I think that the work you guys have been putting in on behalf of the athletes is phenomenal. I watch every week the podcast is one of my favourite trainer shows. And I do want to give props in that you’ve called out one of the biases in the survey (namely that some may choose not to respond).

But I think you’ve missed the bigger bias here:

The idea that “open to data” suggests that the presence of a draft benefit is in some way a bad thing. The question itself is in a way that suggests that a draft benefit is negative and should be eliminated. It isn’t - its entirely neutral. It is an impact and an effect on the racing, one that we should be discussing (again kudos for getting some athletes together to give their voice), but not one that is inherently bad in and of itself.

I’ve been arguing here that the presence of a small benefit can itself be a good thing - it creates strategic decisions that need to be made. The sport is one where pros are racing each other, not the clock in a pure sense, and having to decide whether to sit in or pass is a tension we need in this sport. We can obviously argue whether this is valid - Magnus and Sam were arguing that this could create more aggressive racing, and fair enough. And/or we can argue about the specific % draft benefit which is optimal, whether that’s 0w, 10w, or whatever.

But by phrasing the question like this, it assumes that this draft benefit (assumed to exist, I think we all agree) is itself a negative thing, and should be eliminated once data proves or disproves its effect, and has introduced a bias into the survey question. I’ll argue that “I’ll make my mind up once I see if there’s a benefit at 12w” does presuppose that this benefit is negative.

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For sure I agree that we’re in a position to think about what we want the sport to look like from a viewable product standpoint, especially with the growth in broadcast post-covid. But we also don’t want into the realm of gimmicks to try and create a more “exciting” or viewable pro product. 12m draft zone is kinda like DRS from F1 IMO, it keeps athletes closer together and theoretically makes it easier to overtake. But you also don’t have the excitement of breakaways because it keeps the group together, and like Magnus said there’s less incentive to attack and try and create gaps because it’s much easier for others to close down. Just like DRS allows (or allowed) for overtaking but also kinda takes away from the excitement of some overtakes when one car would cruise by 50kph faster at the end of the straightaway.

DRS isn’t the right analogy since its something that was introduced to F1 more recently (and now eliminated). 12m racing is part of the history of our sport and you could argue that its the baseline.

A better example is NHL sized hockey rinks vs IIHF sized hockey rinks. The NHL rinks are smaller, and favour bigger players who can control others with their size, while the IIHF (usually Olympics and world champs) is a bigger rink that favours faster players who can make skill plays (it also has fewer hits because international refs have a tighter definition of the rules). There’s no right or wrong answer, and differently skilled players and fans obviously have a preference: you can prefer big hits just as much as you prefer fast skating.

But what I’m interested in is a race dynamic. The pros who have voiced their opinions (better cyclists, lets be honest) all seem to prefer a TT style race where one pro’s actions don’t effect another pro’s decisions or race benefits - its everyone against the clock simultaneously. I am being a bit hyperbolic, but from the pod that seemed to be their desire. That might be great if you’re a pro - just put your head down and do your watts and the fittest wins.

But we’re not here to crown the fittest athlete (I think that’s either Crossfit or Hyrox) - being the fastest should take race understanding/strategy, should have tangible decisions which need to be made, and risks which need to be assumed! Kat Matthews maybe losing Kona because she sat in too long is exactly the tradeoff I’m talking about. Did she? I dunno, but it shows that we have a sport where these tradeoffs could exist. Magnus training his run more because winning on the bike is harder isn’t necessarily a bad thing - it shows that there’s a coherent tradeoff being made in how he preps for specific races. (Though Laidlow, and LCB still show how its done)

If we look at other sports, the best team doesn’t always win the championship. They got beat by a team with a better strategy on the day, had a bad series, or whatever. But that’s part of what makes sport great is that anything can happen, and the favourite, strongest player doesn’t perform because others had a better strategy. This happened in Kona when Macca got the others to ride away from Crowie. If you reduce the interactions between pros, you also eliminate this type of upset/dynamic which makes sport sport.

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Hey Tim really appreciate the thoughtful reply and the kind words about the podcast.

I think where I agree with you is this: the presence of a draft benefit, in and of itself, isn’t automatically “bad.” It is neutral in the sense that it’s simply an effect on racing, and whether that effect is desirable or not is where opinions start to diverge. You’re right that pro racing isn’t a pure time trial, and there is tension and strategy in deciding whether to sit in or go that’s a fair point.

Where I’d add some nuance is that a lot of the language around “fairer racing” including some of my own is opinion-based, not settled fact. We don’t actually know what Ironman-distance racing looks like at 20 meters with full pro fields. We’ve seen versions of it in smaller formats (like T100), but that’s not the same thing. So when people say “this will definitely be fairer” or “this will definitely change racing in X way,” that’s speculation. We tried to say that on the podcast, but I’m sure we could’ve been clearer.

I also really liked @E_DUB article on Slowtwitch suggesting testing this at smaller pro series events first. That makes a ton of sense to me. Same with Matthew Marquardt’s point that this doesn’t have to be a forever decision rules can be tested, adjusted, and even rolled back. Nothing about this needs to be permanent to be worth exploring.

On the survey itself: totally fair criticism. Any survey like this will have framing issues, and if we were doing it again, there are questions I’d absolutely rewrite. We tried to acknowledge that upfront response bias, non-response bias, framing bias but that doesn’t make it immune. This wasn’t meant to be a scientific study; it was meant to capture athlete sentiment and get the conversation out in the open.

One argument I personally struggle with (and this is just my opinion) is the idea that rule changes like this are going to meaningfully impact viewership. I love this sport it’s my job, it feeds my family — but triathlon is always going to be a niche sport. People who watch it already love it. I don’t think moving the draft zone to 12, 16, or 20 meters suddenly makes it mainstream or unwatchable. Fans watch because they’re nerds like us, not because of marginal rule tweaks.

It’s also worth saying: not everyone at ProTriNews agrees on this. We genuinely have mixed views internally some lean 12, some are in the middle, and I’m very open about being biased toward 20. The goal wasn’t to present a single unified opinion, but to raise awareness, get athletes talking, get media talking, and pass that information along to Ironman.

At this point, we’ve done that. We sent the data, the feedback, the survey results. The ball’s in Ironman’s court. Whatever they decide 12, 16, 20 I’ll still be covering the sport I love and watching great racing next year.

Thanks again for engaging in good faith. That’s really all we were hoping for with this whole thing.

and great read Eric!

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These are great points Tim! I agree that we don’t want a 100% ITT especially for an 8 hour IM- we want to see (and the sport needs to grow) some level of dynamic racing, where athletes can make moves and try to create separation. Tactics should matter, and really we want a race where there’s multiple ways to win. Where you can go gun to tape like LCB or Sam Laidlow, run from mid pack to the win like Patrick Lange, or come from behind out of the water like Lionel/Sam.

The tipping point at least in the men’s field why 12m doesn’t always work is that it really restricts that “win the race multiple ways” ability. It’s harder for Laidlow or Magnus to go off the front, and harder for the chasers out of the water to close the gap (because there’s more guys that stay in the front pack). Which I think would yield more of that graph that you’ve shown, if more types of athletes can win.

Let’s face it at Kona, there’s 2 types of athletes that can win the men’s race- the Laidlow front pack swim ride off the front of the bike, or the KB/Patrick type of sit in, conserve energy and run from a few mins back to win. And very few athletes fall into either category. Opening it up to 20m doesn’t necessarily change that, but it does make it more possible for bigger gaps and more splits heading into T2. And that’s not a bad thing- case in point the women’s race this year which had huge gaps in T2 and turned into an all-time classic and still ended up with a winning margin under 1’.

So best summarized I think 20m achieves the graph that you’ve showed by making it easier for multiple athlete types to win, while still maintaining some element of racing advantage to being in a group. Just not as large as exists currently. And like Marquardt said in his post, if the races are too strung out and dull, just change it back.

I think this is probably the key point. Whatever happens, we’re still all watching and we’re all just trying to make the sport we love better (one way or another).

The big thing, and I think you’re right, is that we won’t know what will happen in an IM race with 60 of each gender going full gas. We have some idea from T100, but its only 20 (albeit likely the 15-20 who would matter anyway) doing loops of the parking lot. And so a test on one of the pro series races does make some sense. Announce it in advance so we all know it could be temporary and see what happens. Though I do feel the need to point out that this does change the dynamic - knowing its 20m, the athletes who do better at 20m are more likely to choose that race and so its never a true test as if they’d had run it in Kona.

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Fair points, and I agree that we need multiple types of athletes who can win - though I think the men’s side especially is trending towards “elite swimmer, elite biker, elite runner” which negates a bit of the nuance.

KB, when he’s on his day, can swim in the Laidlow group, ride with Ditlev, and run with Lange. He can’t do it all the time, and he can only do one or two of those in any one race, but his (and the other Norges) versatility freezes the playing field somewhat - whether at 12m or 20m. Stornes swam front pack, came off the bike in the lead group, and then ran a 2:29 to win. Yeah, he was pulled somewhat by Blu/Iden on the bike at the critical moments but its not like the Norges would have lost so much time to MVR at 20m that we’d have a different outcome.

Where we get a lot variation is in the women’s field - where all of the big 5 or 6 have different and complementary strengths/weaknesses. Lucy can outswim everyone while Taylor can outbike everyone, and Kat/Laura can outrun everyone. Lovseth outbikes Kat/Laura and loses time in the swim to Lucy and on the run to Kat/Laura.

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Enjoying reading the back and forth. I just wanted to add what popped into my head reading this and I think is at the heart of the 20m dialogue, whether we realize it or not.

“No Fair!” is an accusation we are all familiar with since childhood. It’s literally engrained into our biology and I think it’s clearly proven to be inescapable when talking about this. It keeps coming up how 20m can make it “more fair” even as very same person acknowledges the race is still fair in the current system. But there is just this perception of, “you didn’t earn that” when they get (more of) a draft benefit, which would be “unfair”.

I can cite study after study if people would like about games and relationships where people choose to defect rather than collaborate, even when it’s in their interest, because of something perceived as “unfair”. Zoologists have even researched in bats, that female bats are more willing to nurse another females bats, providing that female also nurses other bats frequently. But if one mother stop nursing other mother’s bats, then suddenly the other bats stop nursing her offspring. Nature is hardwired to reward fair and penalize unfairness.

So, the critique that the question of “unfair” benefit at 12m vs 20m is absolutely highlighting that tension that is felt. But that reality will still be there, the importance of the 20m draft will still be there. Cyclists will still optimize training around 20m and still make decisions to sit in (only more spread out) or pull away at 20m. It’s just…spread out.

The point here is, the cards are stacked against any perceived unfairness. If triathlon started with 20m, I’m absolutely certain, we’d be having this conversation about moving it to 30m, with everyone thinking it’s unfair when some athlete just sits in the back of the 20m group like Martin van Riel in Qatar and outruns the rest of his group off the bike. Unfair! Right?

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That’s why the women’s field is so intriguing right now, there’s not the same depth at the top but the competition amongst the big 5/6 is awesome both to watch and for the sport. In part because everyone brings something different to the table. The draft zone I don’t think will have much impact there, since LCB and Taylor mostly ride solo and Solveig has done most of her races solo. With Laura and Kat, there’s not many others for them to be “pack rats” so to speak, so they’re pretty much responsible for driving the pace anyways. Theoretically 12m could swing the race in their favor if they could cooperate, but from last year they don’t seem to work well together so it ends up being a moot point.

I agree with the men’s field needing to be elite at all 3 more and more, but I think you can get away with being good and not elite at 1 of the 3. Not to the Lionel/Sam/Trevor level in the swim. I don’t think Casper wins Nice if it’s 20m, I think KB makes it across to Laidlow solo, gets off the bike with a few min gap to Casper/Gustav, and runs more measured and wins. I also think Laidlow could’ve maybe not won but certainly made the race much closer if he had his normal swim and was off the front of the bike from the onset, and not pulled the Norges along probably a few mins faster than they would’ve ridden solo. So that’s where I say that it opens the race up a bit more to have 20m.

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You know, I’ve been thinking about Kat. I think with this being her first Kona, she raced it conservatively based on how she said she felt in the water and not really knowing how the run will turn out. I think she was clearly being tactical as well, but the tactic was largely informed by those other realities.

In Texas, she threw down a very fast bike split, chasing Taylor. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Kat take more of a “go for it” attitude this year in Kona. She’s gotten 2nd so many times now, and has the financial security to take a risk and push the bike and see where her run legs are. Of course, I’m assuming she’ll train with that intent, so it won’t be as much of as stretch as I make it sound.

I think she said she just had really bad bike legs on the day. Which is probably why she ran so well having underbiked relative to her capability and kept her core temp lower. We’ve all been there in training on a long brick day where you’re just not there on the bike, but you change up sport/position and after a few miles feel great on the run.

You sure that’s not short/nice code for, “I pulled you through nearly the entire race in Hamburg and you beat me on the run, so I’m not doing that again in Kona”?

I mean, few people feel great. They all talk about how even when they won, they wanted to quit multiple times.

There’s no way Kat or Laura give up over 13 minutes voluntarily to Taylor and 12 to Lucy on the bike. Especially not with how Lucy was running going into the race. The Norwegians talked about giving Sam Laidlow up to 10 mins in 2022 (which of course bit KB in the ass), and Laidlow hadn’t proven anything at that point. Obviously we don’t know for sure but I’m pretty confident Kat and Laura didn’t have it that day, which is why Solveig rode away from them uncontested and gained 8’ from the same swim group.

I can think of a very specific way. Taylor and Lucy smash the bike so hard that…. we know the rest of the story.

It was a rough day that day for sure. The first time she really raced there. I’ll just turn it around and say, “There’s no way Kat decided to sit behind Laura nearly the entire ride and wasn’t thinking about tactics that would affect the run.”

While compiling data for the 12-meter vs 20-meter draft-zone discussion, I went down a bit of a data rabbit hole lol so I thought I would post it in here, especially since there are a lot of data-minded folks here.

First, just to be clear up front: I’m not posting this to argue that 20m is right or that 12m is right. I genuinely don’t have a conclusion here. This is more about sharing some numbers I pulled together and seeing if others notice anything I might be missing.

Initially, I was able to get access to Ironman World Championship data going back to 2012, looking at out-of-the-water pack sizes and pack sizes at Hawi (turnaround). That data ended up being pretty inconclusive—2016 in particular had a massive pack that kind of skewed things so I didn’t feel confident drawing anything meaningful from that alone. (if you want me to post it i will)

From there, I shifted gears and compiled data from:

  • All T100 events 2025

  • Several top Ironman Pro Series events

I fully recognize this is very much apples to oranges:

  • Different field sizes

  • Different course profiles

  • Different athlete dynamics

  • Different race incentives

So direct comparisons are inherently flawed. That said, I wasn’t trying to “prove” anything more just looking to see if any patterns emerged at all.

What I tracked was fairly simple:

  • Roughly how many athletes got onto the bike within ~30 seconds of each other (biggest pack)

  • The largest pack size by ~35 km into the bike

Give or take a bit on timing and distance, but I tried to keep it reasonably consistent.

Honestly, I didn’t walk away with a strong takeaway. I even ran the dataset through ChatGPT Pro to see if it could identify anything meaningful. It spit out a few possible trends, but nothing definitive—some of it mildly interesting, nothing conclusive. I’ll post both the table and the pattern observations below so people can judge for themselves.

The main reason I’m sharing this here is curiosity:

  • Do any of you see patterns I’m missing?

  • Does any of this reinforce or challenge assumptions you already had?

If anything, this exercise mostly reinforced the idea that controlled theory-testing only goes so far, and that real-world testing is probably the only way to get meaningful answers.

I really liked what @E_DUB mentioned in his recent article: that a logical next step might be for IRONMAN to test a 20-meter draft zone at smaller 70.3 Pro races, where variables are easier to manage, and outcomes might be clearer.

Anyway, here’s the data.
Do with it what you want.
Genuinely curious to hear your thoughts.

Chatgpt respose:
Here’s what jumps out to me when you treat this like a “pack physics” dataset (not just anecdotes), while keeping in mind T100 = 20 starters, IM = ~70–75 starters.

  1. The biggest signal: 20m races shrink packs; 12m races often grow packs
    If you compare largest swim-exit group → largest group around ~35k, you get two very different behaviors:
    T100 (20m drafting)
    • Swim-exit “largest group” is often huge in percentage terms (because the fields are small and swim parity is high): examples: French Riviera 15/20, Spain 14/20, Wollongong 14/20, Qatar 11/20
    • But by ~35k, the largest group is usually only 2–6 riders:
    ◦ Singapore: 9 → 3
    ◦ Vancouver: 8 → 4
    ◦ French Riviera: 15 → 4
    ◦ Spain: 14 → 4
    ◦ London: 7 → 2 (max, with multiple 2-man packs)
    Key pattern: in your T100 rows, the biggest group never gets bigger on the bike. It always fractures.
    Ironman (12m drafting)
    In multiple IM races, the biggest group at ~35k is as big or bigger than the biggest swim-exit group:
    • IM Texas: 8 → 15
    • Frankfurt: 4 → 9
    • Nice WC: 10 → 14
    • (Even when the swim group is modest, the bike group can still become large.)
    Key pattern: in your IM rows, the bike often coalesces athletes into a larger legal pack.
    That “coalescence vs fragmentation” difference is the cleanest signal in what you collected.

  2. Absolute pack size matters more than percent-of-field for “race feel”
    Because T100 is capped at 20, a 6-person pack is already 30% of the field—but it’s still six riders. In Ironman, a 9–15 person group is a completely different animal in terms of:
    • how easy it is to “sit in”
    • how sticky the pack becomes (more wheels, more shelter, more elastic)
    • how hard it is to officiate in real time
    • how hard it is for a single rider to break it
    So even if some of the percentages don’t look wildly different on paper, the absolute group size does.

  3. Your dataset suggests a “pack cap” effect at 20m
    T100 mid-bike largest groups cluster around 4 (with a range of 2–6). That looks like a practical cap that emerges when:
    • the distance is long enough that sustained surging matters,
    • but the draft benefit is reduced and the “accordion” costs more,
    • and moving up / staying legal requires more power and/or space.
    Whereas at 12m, you’re repeatedly seeing 9–15 as a totally normal mid-bike “largest group” outcome.

  4. Swim parity vs drafting rule: you can separate them with what you already captured
    T100 swim groups are big mainly because:
    • smaller field
    • very high swim parity in T100
    • (often) wetsuit/non-wetsuit dynamics and course specifics
    But the rule shows up in what happens after that:
    • In T100, huge swim packs do not survive to 35k as big packs.
    • In IM, smaller swim packs can merge into bigger bike packs.
    That’s exactly what you’d expect if 12m encourages “pack formation” and 20m discourages it.

  5. The one “warning flag”: course + conditions can mimic either outcome
    Spain 70.3 WC is a good example: you had a massive early separation (26 in 40s in a “middle” group), but by ~35k the largest is ~10. That shows you can get fragmentation at 12m if:
    • the course forces selection (climbs/technical)
    • wind creates splits
    • athletes light it up early
    • officiating is tight
    So your data supports: draft distance is a strong lever, but not the only lever.

What I’d say as the honest “data-driven takeaway”
From this table alone, the most defensible statement is:
20m (T100) appears to reduce pack persistence and pack coalescence. Big swim groups break into smaller bike groups by ~35k, and the “largest group” tends to stabilize around ~2–6 riders. 12m (Ironman) appears to allow pack coalescence. Even when swim groups are smaller, groups can grow into 9–15+ on the bike by ~35k.
That’s not “proof” in a scientific sense (small sample, mixed courses, mixed formats), but it’s a consistent directional signal across your rows.

First of all comparing a 112 mile bike at 35k to a T100 one at 35k is just wrong. Take a % of the bike ride in each, find out what mile that is and then compare. Guys will ride different distances in a totally different manner, and 35k into a T100 folks are smashing it to make breaks and gain time to T2. In ironman that doesn’t typically happen until about 60 miles, so take a look at what the groups look like at around that point, then compare…Keep it as much apples to apples as you can, even though direct comparisons to such different distances are difficult at best.

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And second of all the selective bolding for emphasis is a dead AI generated giveaway :slight_smile:
Not to mention the emdash.

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I was just trying to do a distance standpoint, but yeah, great observation

And a lurker below yes I clearly wrote ChatGPT. It actually gave a pretty good analysis.

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What were the reasons the draft zone “got pushed out a couple of times”? Are we seeing the same arguments playing out today?

And here’s Marquardt’s take (with the try it and see argument):
https://www.instagram.com/p/DTP51NeDXap/

Enough AI everyone it doesn’t give knowledge it collects data on the net and repeats it without context .

Most t100 for example have 5 guys peaked for that day out of 20 so you get smaller groups and lower race efforts especially once out the top ten .

Kona everyone is ready and willing to over ride the bike and stay in the pack or close compared to any other race and willing to end the season that day.