Kyle, it’s hard to agree with this. T100 London wasn’t that long ago, both top 5 for men and women were filled with 70.3 worlds champions and Olympic medalists.
We used to hardly ever see IM/IM 70.3 top athletes race each other outside of worlds; in that you’re correct. But that was before T100.
Skimming through the debate, my take, as I said when it first kicked off, I dont think anyone not in T100 other than Blum and Ladlow (maybe Ditlev) gets on a T100 podium currently. (Not counting ITU) obviously Iden if he ever gets back to where he was.
If we’re talking about big names than obviously Lionel would bring huge interest and maybe Wurf and Skipper, we all know they’re not getting on a poduim though!
That is my “Novelty Pro” list. Great to have around for a quest appearance.
How do we say this when Sam got on the podium twice in a T100 and got on the podium in PTO Dallas (might have won it if Chartier wasn’t there cheating)? And also got on a podium in 70.3 Worlds behind Gustav?
We should at least add, Sanders and Long have a proven shot at a T100 podium if weather or course circumstance line up in their favor, which has literally happened multiple times before. But to say “We all know they aren’t” when one of them has multiple times, and Sanders on most days has Long’s number.
It at least seems more likely they get on the podium that about half of the field.
Cos unpopular opinion round here, the standard went up when the ITU lads came in! You can not get away with your swim being below average.
You can not get away with it in many circumstances. Hot water, hot humid weather, combined with certain course types open up possibilities.
We don’t know if Sam is willing to go deep into the well at Frejus this weekend, and if he was, if it would make the difference. But I could imagine some conditions that would favor him where there’s a pretty good chance of him making the podium.
That doesn’t mean it’s a likely bet most of the time, but I think ruling him out as never is premature and unfactual unless all courses are going to be wtcs style.
Please list those conditions
*Most athletes are usually in the camp that in order to perform podium/wins they must have their A game and all then all the variables sorta go their way (cooperative weather, other athletes “off day”, perfect venue, etc). There’s of course a smaller percentage (usually less than a handful for any A level championship race) that can show up and podium without needing all the variables to go their way. But obviously that’s sport.
Why are yall debating the T100 in the IM pro series thread? Maybe take that argument to say the T100 thread?
Here’s the link in case you can’t find the thread
It started with a joke that Kyle took seriously and had to be explained over multiple posts. Then people thought we were actually having the debate again. Mods should move it all to the T100 thread, yes.
This whole thing was a joke?? Now I’m really confused haha
If people mean something else, they should say something else.
Here is a fun clip…
Two things I noticed…
1:Ash knows her 20meters.
2:Ash is a babe.
Also…Great to see Snowy commentating today.
This was the joke. @kajet and I kinda tried to point it out too with our first posts after this one.
Basically, Pat’s statement taken literally is laughably incorrect, which I think I’ve spelled out pretty clearly by now. That was the point of the debate/argument (at least for some of us) a month ago or whatever, but I think like half the people never understood the point. Everyone gave up and moved on with life.
So now @pk is just poking fun at the continued misunderstanding/disagreement/silly statement.
Hope everyone enjoys all the races this weekend and gets some good workouts in!
well name your numbers that can really make the podium from the pro series
kristian and laidlow and kat are the obvious one as extremely proven even for instance with Laura Phillips you have to say her swim is a bit to weak to be really somebody where we have to say she can realy win a t100 race ( today she might have been able to win, but if there is a Taylor Lucy Julie and kat unless its a realy hilly course she is unlikely to win. again kat is the only one that has done 70.3 podium in the last 2 years and is missing despite having qualified for it .
and the people that are missing are by and large not in the pro series
a Maya kingma in top shape would be one and we have seen it with Kate waugh Martin van riel where the athletes are coming from that can actually win with a bit of training ( again not all like Vincent )
and yes the only male that could really win from the pro series is Kristian and if Gustav if he gets into peak shape again
so yes I can see quite a few itu atheltes that would not take a long time to race for the win but from the pro series who is going to be a Wilde geens mvr
krisitian and like Laura Magnus from time to time might have a chance but otherwise I dont see anybody in the pro series that could win
there is obviously quite a few that could make a top 10 but even a top 5 unless like today where the best 4. females were missing it gets really hard for a pro series athletes to make a top 5 in the t 100 series ie there is a lot more itu guys that are missing than pro series athletes ie they have the speed you need which is something vert very few pro series guys have
I would rate Hayden higher over t 100 distance than Alex yes but at a course like san fransico or Marbella Alex certainly would have a shot for the win.
and lets rember the top 3 from last years 70. 3 worlds males race t100 and also 1and 2. from 2024 and third place from 2024 worlds did not qualify for t 100
so really only Kristian is a must have for t 100
sam laidlow does neither series.
lionel for clicks but not as athelte
and I would say prob Gustav soon if his progress continuous
so I have kat and Laura
and kristian and magnus would be good but again I would say does not have the speed to win nice and world series race and nice in one year just like Laura if she was to focus 100 percent on t100 she could do well. but again I dont think she actually does the pro series
and I guess is that where you get it wrong yes Magnus could do well in t100 if he focuses 100 percent on it but the likes of magnus and Phillips Patrick laidlow they focus on winning the ironman world champs and for instance Lange try as he may he would never play a factor in a t 100 race as he just never had the speed;
and you could see with magnus that he lost it a bit 2024 and 2025 is faster
ie all the guys say the power numbers are higher in 2025 than 2024.
ie if you belive a bit in via max …you can really come to 10 and you know your 15 number is total bs and your tried your bs again y day despite knowing better.
Good god get over it.
Just looked at those qualified for both WC and there is a big gap between Men and Women
Only a handful of women in the top 20 are not qualified for both (Jewett 11th is the first one. 7 american women are qualified: Knibb, Herring, Alberts, Lewis, Lumkes, Mccauley and Strehlow. I counted 30 women qualified for both.
It’s quite different in the mens’ race as several contenders in the top 10 are not qualified for Marbella: Chevalier, Marquardt (who only has 1 70.3 score), Schuster, Wurf and Sowieja, + Hoffmann ranked 11th. They had to score a 2nd 70.3 which partly explains why some are ahead on athletes like RVB or Ditlev who are betting on Marbella for their 2nd 70.3 score. - Chevalier and Marquardt ‘benefit’ - for now - that they already have a ‘poor’ 3rd full IM score and will not be able to improve their score as much.
Going through the rankings, here are the athletes qualified for both according to their ranking in the current standings: Nick Thompson, Goetsch, Stepniak, Schomburg, Foley Sanders, Long, Van Riel, Guerbeur, Baekkegard, West, Vogel, Hirsch, Appleton and Dreitz (DNS)
Only 3 athletes qualified for both have not raced any Pro Series race: Toldi, Magnien and Petersen. Fun fact all 4 Danes qualified for Nice also qualified for Marbella.
All in all 27 men vs 30 women if have not forgotten anybody. My hypothesis would be that the level is higher among men and it is harder to qualify in a 70.3 where many young athletes, especially in Europe, give it a try after a short distance (sometimes frustrating) career
Do you even need me for this?
Here is my analysis of the women’s IM Pro Series standings post IMWC Kona.
If you want to see the current standings Ironman offer that here. My table below uses the number of points LOST.
| Name (Country) | Points lost pre-Kona | Pos’n pre-Kona | Points lost post-Kona | Pos’n post-Kona | Change | IMWC | Spare 70.3 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Kat Matthews (GBR) | 120 | 1 | 155 | 1 | 0 | 5965 | 2500 |
| Solveig Løvseth (NOR) | 555 | 2 | 555 | 2 | 0 | 6000 | 2073 |
| Lisa Perterer (AUT) | 1637 | 4 | 2818 | 3 | 1 | 4819 | 2127 |
| Jackie Hering (USA) | 1884 | 5 | 4670 | 4 | 1 | 3214 | 2140 |
| Regan Hollioake (AUS) | 2611 | 6 | 4936 | 5 | 1 | 3675 | |
| Hannah Berry (NZL) | 4265 | 12 | 5343 | 6 | 6 | 4922 | |
| Laura Jansen (DEU) | 3304 | 10 | 5412 | 7 | 3 | 3892 | 1913 |
| Anne Reischmann (DEU) | 2690 | 7 | 6413 | 8 | -1 | 2277 | 1833 |
| Marta Sanchez (ESP) | 1048 | 3 | 7048 | 9 | -6 | 0 | |
| Maya Stage Nielsen (DEN) | 4974 | 7774 | 10 | ^ | 3200 | ||
| Laura Philipp (DEU) | 7500 | 8041 | 11 | ^ | 5459 | ||
| Lotte Wilms (NED) | 2807 | 8 | 8807 | 12 | -4 | 0 | |
| Alice Alberts (USA) | 5847 | 8837 | 13 | ^ | 3010 | ||
| Tamara Jewett (CAN) | 3218 | 9 | 9218 | 14 | -5 | 0 | |
| Danielle Lewis (USA) | 3738 | 11 | 9738 | 15 | -4 | 0 | 2314 |
Men’s standings analysis pre-Marbella:
| ‘Lost pts’ | Name | Points lost | 70.3WCQ | Hits in ‘Points Lost’ |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Blummenfelt | 297 | Q | |
| 2 | Stornes | 1026 | Q | |
| 3 | Høgenhaug | 2156 | Q | |
| 4 | Iden | 2308 | Q | |
| 5 | Thompson | 2464 | Q | |
| 6 | Von Berg | 2961 | Q | |
| 7 | Goesch | 3461 | Q | |
| 8 | Schomburg | 4222 | Q | |
| 9 | Stepniak | 4369 | Q | |
| 10 | Chevalier | 4847 | No Marbella means an 865 hit | |
| 11 | Hoffmann | 5155 | No Marbella means a 1010 hit | |
| 12 | Marquardt | 5189 | No Marbella means a 3000 hit | |
| 13 | Hanson | 5600 | Q | |
| 14 | Wurf | 5662 | No Marbella means a 1296 hit | |
| 15 | Riddle | 5952 | Q | |
| 16 | Schuster | 6361 | No Marbella means a 987 hit |
Final standings for the women - let’s see how much 70.3 WC Marbella mattered:
As a result of the race, Hollioake swapped places with Reischmann, Nielsen gained a spot (displacing Sanchez from the top 10), Berry lost one, and Lewis advanced by two.
Seems quite a bit anti-climactic that Matthews didn’t even need to race and still won the pro series.