where in the world do you get fourth in your age group for a 24 minute swim? I swam a 22 minute a few years ago which was good enough for seventh in AG and 50 th overall.
I’m a piss poor swimmer but I’ve got to get to these places where 24 minutes has you competing in your AG unless that AG is 70-74 in which case its kicking arse
where in the world do you get fourth in your age group for a 24 minute swim? I swam a 22 minute a few years ago which was good enough for seventh in AG and 50 th overall.
I’m a piss poor swimmer but I’ve got to get to these places where 24 minutes has you competing in your AG unless that AG is 70-74 in which case its kicking arse
Um a lot of places… 10 percent of being top 5 in your age group is training the other 90 percent is who shows up.
It’s pretty amazing how easy it is to spot triathletes in the pool. Several things stand out:
Lots of toys
Lots of pull sets
Lots of long (slow) swims
Not much stuff between 200-400.
Poorly designed sets
lack of yardage covered in main set
ladders - not every swim workout has to be ladders
typically favoring technique over fitness.
EDIT: I forget one trait:
Lots of excuses as to why they don’t swim faster.
Post a link to the results
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I won age group at LTF a couple years ago with like a 26 min swim its not that hard to do its entirely based on who shows up.
You and I both know that, but Jackmott seems pretty proud of his fourth place in his AG. I assume there were less that 10 people in his AG at the race.
I know you are online Jackmott, I see you just posted a couple minutes ago…
well that place is not australia (where my 22 mis was lousy by comparison) , where 24 mins gets you bugger all, but Aussies do like swimming
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**Not much stuff between 200-400, **I assume then that stuff between 200 and 400 is good? I actually want to know and what is the advantage of the stuff between 200 and 400 instead of say doing 30 * 100 on 5-10 sec rest
it was a pretty big race so i would be surprised if it was lack of talent.
perhaps the swim was long, perhaps yours were short, perhaps it was because it wasn’t wetsuit legal.
I dunno, everyone on slowtwitch seems to think people at my level are laughable, and I agree I don’t train that much to expect to be anything but
yet I’m beating 90% of people. I guess its a pretty elite crowd here.
=)
need a 400ftp and sub 20 oly swim to hang!
where in the world do you get fourth in your age group for a 24 minute swim? I swam a 22 minute a few years ago which was good enough for seventh in AG and 50 th overall.
I’m a piss poor swimmer but I’ve got to get to these places where 24 minutes has you competing in your AG unless that AG is 70-74 in which case its kicking arse
It’s not “instead of…”
There’s a place for long steady intervals and there’s a place for 50s or 100s.
Desert Dude is saying that if you look at a typical triathlete swim workout they often lack imagination and they neglect mid-distance intervals. Long sets of mid-distance intervals at threshold are pretty difficult. Certainly much more so than an similarly paced set of 100s. This isn’t to say that you can’t make a set of 30*100 on 5-10s RI very difficult. In my experience the majority of MOP to BOP triathletes aren’t able to realize the benefits of a set like that so they are better served doing more sustained but solid work.
as this 22 min is my pr and I’m going to defend it forever, but few things it was a bit on the short side and it was wetsuit legal. One thing about swims in tris is the distance should come with a whole bunch of fine print saying any similarlity bewteen the swim distance and that which is published is purely coincidental. But over the years I have regulary put 25 min swim and agaisnt the aussies that is juts not cutting it, there are so many super tlaented kids who can swim over there that its scary.
What is a bit sad is that if you don’t make the top in a secondary sport at least TV wise swimming is one of those then there is very little funding, hence you get guys like this dude showing up in your AG:
C. Boland IM OZ 2006
9:57
swim 46:20
Bike 5:35
run 3:35
Who is C .Boland you ask? A dude who was I think one or two spots outside the two thta go to the olympics for 1500 m, those two at the time were Kieran Perkins and I think Grant Hackett, there are loads of people in this position who did not quite make it and have a crack at tris, plus all the kids do swimming up until thier late teens. Its a bit like the Kenyan running thing, Aussiesare very good swimmers caus thye do a lot of it and in OZ 25 mins is not a great swim.
Having said that 24 its not a bad swim either, I’d be very happ these days if I could rely on a 24 min swim, since I’ve come back i’ve found swimming hard to get consistent results on in races despite doing 12-14000 metres per week, but I did not swim at all for 6 years.
I’ve adopted an approach to swimming of well if you run 1:30 and ride 2:40 at a half then even a mid 30’s swim gets you a good time
Still waiting for you to post the results of the race
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http://results.active.com/pages/displayNonGru.jsp?orgID=216392&rsID=83424
Im way at the bottom as I walked the run due to my broke knee 
First in my age group was Pantelones who posts here, awesome race by him!
Was my best swim yet, I was in the top 5 in AG at the end of the bike. Encouraging if I can get to running again.
Still waiting for you to post the results of the race
So you were 4th in the swim but 104 th in your AG,
104 548 John Mott 673 31 4 24:34.65 1:38 04:10.75 6 1:04:22.35 23.1 03:00.55 125 1:36:31.45 15:34 3:12:39.75
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Still trying to get my mind around 1 million meters of swimming.
yeah, like i said i walked the run.
earlier this season I did another oly where I ran without run training despite the bad knee:
lot quicker than walking but just set the knee back again.
I’m thinking MRI next week if its not feeling normal monday. sigh
So you were 4th in the swim but 104 th in your AG,
104 548 John Mott 673 31 4 24:34.65 1:38 04:10.75 6 1:04:22.35 23.1 03:00.55 125 1:36:31.45 15:34 3:12:39.75
its 621 miles
that help?
=)
Still trying to get my mind around 1 million meters of swimming.
Still trying to get my mind around 1 million meters of swimming.
1 million meters of swimming is very little, in terms of annual volume for a swimmer. I would expect to see a collegiate mid-distance to distance swimmer to swim 4-6 million meters in a year.
To give a good analogy–at least in terms of percentages of what the top single sport people do. 1 million meters per year is probably analogous to averaging about 20 run miles per week. Its just enough to start to possibly get better at it, but still too little.
There is no way somebody will swim 6000k a year. That is an average of approximately 125k a week every week and about 30hs of pool time. Even 4000k is too much, close to 80k average a week.
The most common for college programs is probably around 3000k. Club teams might have higher miles because there is no limit on practice time.
Tiago
30x100 is good but it only takes you so far
i like progression within the week during specificity periods.
in the lead up to kona i was swim 5-6 a week but only 3 main days
30x100 or 15x200 on 10-15 rest at 1-2 seconds faster per 100 than long fast pace
8x400 on :30 HARD
4x800 on ~:30 FAST
"create your speed/turnover with the 100’s but make it stick with the longer stuff.