News is reporting that the kids have been suspended from school and the team, and that one of the coaches has been suspended, pending allegations that he told the kids to “make the ref pay.”
I heard the same thing this morning on the radio here in Austin. Kids claim one of the assistant coaches told them to “make the ref pay for that last ejection”
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I guess the perception of intelligence is relative.
Do you really believe that the ref wasn’t assaulted or are you arguing for the sake of arguing?
Oh he was assaulted and battered. I think the kids should be punished and severely, I just don’t think criminal charges are the way to go for an act of passion in a sporting event. (I know I know what about XY or Z situation? Each situation is specific and maybe I’m being soft here) Suspend them from athletics forever. Anger management. Community Service.
What about the guy who shoots his wife and lover when he comes home early and finds them in bed? Assume he just injures them both. Anger management? Community service?
This was a planned, calculated, organized attack on the ref.
If I remember correctly that’s an affirmative defense and therefore no punishment (if proven).
Ahhh … no … not even a little bit …
I’m not a big fan of criminal charges even for this. Lifetime suspension obviously and some sort of school punishment, but criminal charges is a bit too extreme.
My dad officiated high school (and Div 3 college) football for 40 years. If these two did this to my dad, I would make it my mission in life and use every resource at my disposal, including my minions of associates and my law enforcement connections, to ruin their lives.
If I was a school official in that district/area, I would kick them off the team, ban them from any team in the region, for life, push for criminal charges, and shut down the football program for the rest of the year. You have a bad environment on that team. Shut it down and let peer pressure/outrage work its justice as well.
Even if your dad wasn’t harmed?
Impossible not to be harmed by those two hits. The level of harm is wide, but there is zero possibility he was not harmed in any way. Furthermore, the intent was clearly to harm. The degree of harm is largely irrelevant.
Yeah, I don’t care, I would end them.
Do you really believe that the ref wasn’t assaulted or are you arguing for the sake of arguing?
Oh he was assaulted and battered. I think the kids should be punished and severely, I just don’t think criminal charges are the way to go for an act of passion in a sporting event. (I know I know what about XY or Z situation? Each situation is specific and maybe I’m being soft here) Suspend them from athletics forever. Anger management. Community Service.
What about the guy who shoots his wife and lover when he comes home early and finds them in bed? Assume he just injures them both. Anger management? Community service?
This was a planned, calculated, organized attack on the ref.
If I remember correctly that’s an affirmative defense and therefore no punishment (if proven).
Ahhh … no … not even a little bit …
We’ll see what Emanuel’s has to say (if I still have it)
Do you really believe that the ref wasn’t assaulted or are you arguing for the sake of arguing?
Oh he was assaulted and battered. I think the kids should be punished and severely, I just don’t think criminal charges are the way to go for an act of passion in a sporting event. (I know I know what about XY or Z situation? Each situation is specific and maybe I’m being soft here) Suspend them from athletics forever. Anger management. Community Service.
What about the guy who shoots his wife and lover when he comes home early and finds them in bed? Assume he just injures them both. Anger management? Community service?
This was a planned, calculated, organized attack on the ref.
If I remember correctly that’s an affirmative defense and therefore no punishment (if proven).
Ahhh … no … not even a little bit …
We’ll see what Emanuel’s has to say (if I still have it)
It’s called voluntary manslaughter and it still a form of homicide. I think you are thinking about the fact that is can be used as a defense to first degree murder. But, it certainly is not a defense that can be used to avoid punishment.
Voluntary Manslaughter: Definition Voluntary manslaughter is commonly defined as an intentional killing in which the offender had no prior intent to kill, such as a killing that occurs in the “heat of passion.” The circumstances leading to the killing must be the kind that would cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed; otherwise, the killing may be charged as a first-degree or second-degree murder. For example, Dan comes home to find his wife in bed with Victor. In the heat of the moment, Dan picks up a golf club from next to the bed and strikes Victor in the head, killing him instantly. On the spectrum of homicides, this offense lies somewhere in between the killing of another with malice aforethought (aka, murder) and the excusable, justified, or privileged taking of life that does not constitute a crime, such as some instances of self-defense. Voluntary manslaughter is a separate concept from involuntary manslaughter and has several definitions depending on what state the crime occurs in. Involuntary manslaughter, on the other hand, occurs when someone dies as a result of the defendant’s non-felonious illegal act or as a consequence of the defendant’s irresponsibility or recklessness.
#blackstripesmatter
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News is reporting that the kids have been suspended from school and the team, and that one of the coaches has been suspended, pending allegations that he told the kids to “make the ref pay.”
I heard the same thing this morning on the radio here in Austin. Kids claim one of the assistant coaches told them to “make the ref pay for that last ejection”
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That will look good on his resume to the Patriots or the Saints if its any consolation.
Just be glad this didn’t take place in Brazil…
TL;DR: Ref is quartered and beheaded on field, with his head ending up on a stake… after he fatally stabbed a player. (old article, there was a thread on it).
There’s a reason why the phrase “crime of passion” has the word crime in it. Passion doesn’t negate the fact that the action was criminal.
But it does negate the punishment and conviction. As to why it was passionate . . . .They were jacked up on the football field in the middle of the game.
What on God’s green Earth makes you think that passion negates conviction or punishment for a crime?
Like I said their Machiavellian minds need more time to study since you ascribe them genius level intelligence.
Not everything on a football field is an emotionally driven “in the heat of the moment” situation. Had one of the players taken a swing at the ref in the middle of an argument after having taken a cheap shot, then I think most of us would agree that criminal charges might not need to be applied.
These are not two rabid dogs that are unable to control their anger at the site of another dog on their property. If they have so little control over their emotions they that can’t control themselves from colluding to double blindside the referee on the next play, then they shouldn’t be playing football and should go the the corrective system, because what they are displaying are the lack of judgement and emotional control to be able to freely function in our society.
Or, if as you implied, they are just that stupid, the same still applies. Jails are full of stupid people for exactly this reason.
#blackstripesmatter
#whitestripesmatter
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#allstripesmatter
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They were jacked up on the football field in the middle of the game.
When I played football, if one of us had pulled that stunt, our coach would have grabbed our face mask, dragged us off the field, and literally put his cleat up our ass.
On Saturday morning after the game he would have us run “Double Js” (that was the top row of our stadium so this meant running to the top).
After doing that, he would have kicked us off the team. There was zero tolerance for a lack of discipline and we all knew it.
Our coach also firmly believed games were not won or lost by penalties. Either you beat the other team with your own efforts or you lost with your own efforts. So for a coach to tell his players to make a ref pay is crap.
Cue Bruce Springsteen “Glory Days”: we were ranked 13th in the nation my senior year. I think my coach knew a thing or two about how to win with discipline.
If “jacked up on football” leads you to blindside a ref, it is no wonder they went 0-14 last year.
I saw today on the news that the players are saying that one of the coaches told them to hit the ref. An assistant coach I think it was. The players are now saying that they were doing what they were told. The coach told one player and he told the other player and they did it.
Sounds like a High School version of “A Few Good Men”
I saw today on the news that the players are saying that one of the coaches told them to hit the ref. An assistant coach I think it was. The players are now saying that they were doing what they were told. The coach told one player and he told the other player and they did it.
Sounds like a High School version of “A Few Good Men”
You can’t handle the truth! The truth is you need men on that the d line.
I saw today on the news that the players are saying that one of the coaches told them to hit the ref. An assistant coach I think it was. The players are now saying that they were doing what they were told. The coach told one player and he told the other player and they did it.
Sounds like a High School version of “A Few Good Men”
The “I was following orders” defense always works so well.
Hey, he ordered a code red!
“Because deep down in places you don’t talk about at tailgate parties, you WANT me on that sideline! You NEED me on that sideline!”
Hey, he ordered a code red!
You’re goddam right he did!