High School texas Football - attack on ref WTF

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Watching the news. They just showed some Texas H.S. football game, ball is snapped 2 safety’s hit the Umpire, the first one gets there first and sends him to the ground, the 2nd one hits him while he is on the ground. Apperently he had just ejected 2 players from that team.

Got to find a video link. If I were the league, Lifetime suspension of those 2 and possibly the rest of the season for the team. WOW.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/09/06/vicious-hit-on-referee-during-high-school-game-being-investigated/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbxJjju7ubA

Glad to hear the Coach sounds like he is upset about the whole thing. Should be interesting to hear the follow up.

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Expulsion and criminal charges. Nothing less.

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In reading more, the ref wants to press criminal charges. Usually I don’t think the courts need be involved in on field issues. But I think this changes my mind. Hope the ref doesn’t have any long term issues.

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question for anyone who played high school football -
if you want to hurt the ref, and are willing to be patient, how doable would it be to “inadvertently” ram into him at some point in the game? it happens from time to time in the nfl, don’t know about other levels

also, assailant #2 is waaaaaay stupid. i’m thikning that assailant #1 was thinking he could have gotten away with it, saying he misread the play or something. having a second, stupider player spear the ref on the ground changes the equation though.

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Not really sure where your trying to go , but this appears to have been a play after he threw the 2nd player for that team, which gave the offense a first down and this was the last play of the game, so they could run out the clock.

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Not really sure where your trying to go , but this appears to have been a play after he threw the 2nd player for that team, which gave the offense a first down and this was the last play of the game, so they could run out the clock.

missed the part about it being the very end of the game.
still curious about how possible it would be to intentionally take an “inadvertent” hit on the ref, though that question’s already tenuous relevancy is now even more tenuous…

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Not really sure where your trying to go , but this appears to have been a play after he threw the 2nd player for that team, which gave the offense a first down and this was the last play of the game, so they could run out the clock.

missed the part about it being the very end of the game.
still curious about how possible it would be to intentionally take an “inadvertent” hit on the ref, though that question’s already tenuous relevancy is now even more tenuous…

It would be really hard for the most part especially if you don’t want to be obvious (it would also be the epitome of a pussy). Most of the officials are behind the play or hugging the sideline except the umpire who’s usually set up behind the linebackers. I guess a TE going up the middle or a safety coming up to make a tackle could do it but it would be pretty obvious.

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I’m not a big fan of criminal charges even for this. Lifetime suspension obviously and some sort of school punishment, but criminal charges is a bit too extreme.

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It was not a sports play. It was a direct, intentional, coordinated assault on another individual. It’s not anything remotely like a fistfight breaking out, or an egregious foul against another player.

If a player in the on deck circle walked up behind an umpire and took a swing at the back of his knees, would that warrant criminal charges? I don’t see how it wouldn’t. Same thing, essentially, except this had more potential for harm and two assailants were involved.

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thanks.

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. Same thing, essentially, except this had more potential for harm and two assailants were involved.

Not even close. . . I’d rather get jacked by a safety than hit by a bat.

As to criminal charges I respect your opinion and understand it, I really am on the fence about criminal charges in this case so come down on the side of no charges.

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DId you hear about the HS football player who died after a c-spine fracture during a kickoff return last week? There are countless incidents of death and permanent disability from spinal injuries. I don’t know of many resulting from a fractured patella or ACL tear. A blindside shot to the spine, compounded by another hit when already injured (player #2, potentially) is a very serious incident. So yes, they’re really not even close, in terms of potential for harm; the blindside spinal shot on an unsuspecting, unprotected, older man is far, far worse.

I guess I don’t see what about wearing football pads should insulate someone agains criminal charges, given that it wasn’t even remotely a sports play. Had the players done that to a heckling spectator on the sideline, should that also go without battery charges? I can’t think of a single reason why it wouldn’t.

I think we’ve become so accustom to violence in sports that we bristle at the thought of criminal charges, even though they are without question criminal offenses. If there’s a line to be drawn (and I think there is–see my prior post), it should be drawn well short of tolerating violent assaults on non-participants during non-sporting plays.

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DId you hear about the HS football player who died after a c-spine fracture during a kickoff return last week? There are countless incidents of death and permanent disability from spinal injuries. I don’t know of many resulting from a fractured patella or ACL tear. A blindside shot to the spine, compounded by another hit when already injured (player #2, potentially) is a very serious incident. So yes, they’re really not even close, in terms of potential for harm; the blindside spinal shot on an unsuspecting, unprotected, older man is far, far worse.

I guess I don’t see what about wearing football pads should insulate someone agains criminal charges, given that it wasn’t even remotely a sports play. Had the players done that to a heckling spectator on the sideline, should that also go without battery charges? I can’t think of a single reason why it wouldn’t.

I think we’ve become so accustom to violence in sports that we bristle at the thought of criminal charges, even though they are without question criminal offenses. If there’s a line to be drawn (and I think there is–see my prior post), it should be drawn well short of tolerating violent assaults on non-participants during non-sporting plays.

Did you play football and baseball? I played both. I would much prefer getting blindsided to getting hit by a bat.

Your hysterics about the spinal injury show a complete lack of understanding of football and how injuries occur (and a disturbing lack of understanding biology). From that video the second football player is the one most likely to have a spinal injury (head down).

**non-participants during non-sporting plays. **The referee is a participant. Look I’m not defending them, I just don’t know if I want to ruin their lives over this. You on the other hand seem to have no hesitation. Cold man, very very cold.

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Your hysterics about the spinal injury show a complete lack of understanding of football and how injuries occur (and a disturbing lack of understanding biology). From that video the second football player is the one most likely to have a spinal injury (head down).

Are you always such a jackass, or do you just play one on the internet? I’m trying to have a rational discussion, for chrissakes.

I played sports for years. I practice medicine and work in trauma surgery. I’ve worked trauma for 15 years. I know my A&P and injury patterns, axial loading, burst fractures, the myriad spinal cord injury syndromes, etc. Slow your roll.

If you think someone can’t sustain a life threatening/altering injury from a blindside hit, you’re just ill informed, regardless of how other c-spine injuries occur. Cord compression, carotid dissection, permanent parasthesias, and other long term disabilities can and do result from whiplash type injuries in the absence of axial loading.

But you played football, so I’ll defer to your infinite wisdom.

Criminal charges are warranted when blatant criminal acts occur. That was a criminal act that had ZERO to do with the playing the game.

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Did you play football and baseball? I played both. I would much prefer getting blindsided to getting hit by a bat.

Your hysterics about the spinal injury show a complete lack of understanding of football and how injuries occur (and a disturbing lack of understanding biology). From that video the second football player is the one most likely to have a spinal injury (head down).
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Played both, and spent time on sidelines of football as a non-participant, getting hit from behind when not expecting it is far worse then getting hit head on an sent flying 5yrds when you see it coming.

Would take a blow from a bat (other than to head). Verses a completely non expected blow to the back, followed by a full on helmet to the spine. The bat might hurt more and do more short term damage, but the hit to the back followed up by a spear, have far more chance of soft tissue back and neck pains for the rest of your life, not including the chance of spinal cord damage. Also to an older person who may not be in the best of athletic condition.

plus this would be charges as juveniles so it would not screw them for life, and I don’t think a simple assault as a juvy does much to your lifetime record.

Also being brought up on charges does not mean convicted, as a prosecutor I would bring them up and the get some sort of plea agreement working in a rehab facility with spinal cord patients, possibly lifetime ban (season ban at a minimum) from H.S. Football.

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Your hysterics about the spinal injury show a complete lack of understanding of football and how injuries occur (and a disturbing lack of understanding biology). From that video the second football player is the one most likely to have a spinal injury (head down).

Are you always such a jackass, or do you just play one on the internet? I’m trying to have a rational discussion, for chrissakes.

I played sports for years. I practice medicine and work in trauma surgery. I’ve worked trauma for 15 years. I know my A&P and injury patterns, axial loading, burst fractures, the myriad spinal cord injury syndromes, etc. Slow your roll.

If you think someone can’t sustain a life threatening/altering injury from a blindside hit, you’re just ill informed, regardless of how other c-spine injuries occur. Cord compression, carotid dissection, permanent parasthesias, and other long term disabilities can and do result from whiplash type injuries in the absence of axial loading.

But you played football, so I’ll defer to your infinite wisdom.

Criminal charges are warranted when blatant criminal acts occur. That was a criminal act that had ZERO to do with the playing the game.

I’ve been accused of being bombastic and hyperbolic which may come across jackass.

Playing sports is not the same as playing football.

Getting blindsided happens all the time (same in Lax and hockey). The spinal injuries occur when the crown of the head hits something not from “whiplash.”

How many cervical fractures have you seen from a human on human hit like in the video versus say a baseball bat. I guess theoretically it could happen. How about this, find an article on uptodate on topic proving me wrong and I will humbly submit that getting blindsided is worse than getting hit by a baseball bat (though I don’t think that will happen).

So you’re okay with wrecking those kids’ lives with criminal charges without a pause?

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I thought the OP was about how the Longhorns stink so bad.

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Read, I said I played both sports (Baseball and football)

I think you believe getting charged with assault as a Juvy does a lot more long term damage to a kid than I do.

No I don’t think this should screw them up for the rest of their life’s. Of course the people I know who were charged with Juvy assault went on to be productive members of society. It also changed their and their peers behavior.

Getting blind sided when your on the ice is not really a blindside cause your always amped up and ready to hit or be hit, same as a player, the adrenaline is pumping, as an umpire your concentrating on the line, who’s moving, and where you might have to move to not block the play, getting hit from behind at that point is not even in your thoughts.

But this is stupid, You have derailed this from a conversation, about the Hit, to a discussion about the impact of assualt charges being filed on a Juvy to their life,

Lets get back to this was a very stupid attack, and some VERY LARGE penelty should be laid down to send a VERY strong message.

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I’m not a big fan of criminal charges even for this. Lifetime suspension obviously and some sort of school punishment, but criminal charges is a bit too extreme.

Why not? This was an assault. Clear as can be. I am a dean of students at a very large high school with the most successful football program in the state. I guarantee if this would have been our players we would be pushing the police for assault charges and would move for expulsion.

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I’ve seen zero cervical fractues result from a bat strike to the knee, because it’s practically impossible. Do your own research; I’ve spent enough time in school and in practice to know that you’re way out of your depth here, and it’s not my obligation to pull you back to shore.

I am perfectly fine with teenagers being held accountable for unprovoked violence against others. That’s not to say I’m advocating trial as adults or jail time, obviously. A little judicial corrective action would do kids like this a world of good in the long run.