You know the Left has an antisemitism problem

Your premise is flawed since I am now party free (or a party of one) and I would posit that the antisemitism of the far right and far left are equal. (Anecdotally I’d actually argue the antisemitism of the left is more pervasive, widespread, and violent, but I interact with more Leftist whackjobs than far right whackjobs so significant sample bias)

You can hypothesize anything you want. This study started with a similar hypothesis, but their data and conclusions seem to disagree with you.

“ Contrary to the expectation of horseshoe theory, the data show the epicenter of antisemitic attitudes is young adults on the far right.”

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/10659129221111081

The point my friend is the reflexive whataboutism.

Yeah, that’s probably something you should work on.

You feel the BBC article is whataboutism? Interesting tack to take

I think the BBC article has fuckall to do with whataboutism.

I think you’re so desperate for the attention you get by being a tool here in this forum that you’ll post any article you can find that touches tangentially on anything you can tie to “the Left” so that you can play “whatabout” with problems that are most associated with the far Right and generally just to see if you can get some reaction from any of the more liberal posters here in the LR, and in doing so, you’ll be sure to make your post as dickish as you can just for good measure.

What’s wrong with my premise? That there is antisemitism on the Left or there would be reflexive responses here that didn’t bother to consider the truth of that statement?

Of course there is some anti-Semitism on the left. If a third of the country is on the left (not a precise number, just offered as an illustration) that is more than 100mm people. There will be considerable diversity within that group, including some anti-Semites.

If you want to have a serious discussion of the causes, extent, and implications of anti-Semitism on the left, that might be possible. But you know perfectly well how politics and the LR work. If you title your thread with just a reference to the Left, you’re gonna get whataboutism, because it’s so obvious that there is huge anti-Semitism on the right. The thread will strike many as disingenuous.

Alternatively, you could begin a thread that concedes there is a lot of anti-Semitism on the right, which perhaps comes in different flavors than anti-Semitism on the left. Positioning the issue that way, you probably could get people on the left to discuss anti-Semitism without them feeling that, by doing so, they are making some concession that this is predominantly a problem on the left. You didn’t try to do that, and the results were predictable.

Why do I have to make that statement? Why can’t there be a discussion of just one side? Why the double standard?

I do know how political threads go here and have no problem calling out the hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty of many on here.

I bet if you go to threads about antisemitism on the far-right/neo-Nazis your standard of a reasonable dual sided original post won’t be met at the frequency you’d think it would be.

Your last paragraph proves my point. When you start a thread on a political topic where the problem is overwhelmingly on your party’s sidediscussion.

Your premise is flawed since I am now party free (or a party of one) and I would posit that the antisemitism of the far right and far left are equal. (Anecdotally I’d actually argue the antisemitism of the left is more pervasive, widespread, and violent, but I interact with more Leftist whackjobs than far right whackjobs so significant sample bias)

You moved the goalposts from the left to the far left. Anyhow, wherever we put the goalposts, you just admitted that you see an equivalence, which is what probably people suspected and caused the reaction you got. If that is truly how you feel, then you don’t need to concede the problem is far more pervasive on the right.

You moved the goalposts from the left to the far left. Anyhow, wherever we put the goalposts, you just admitted that you see an equivalence, which is what probably people suspected and caused the reaction you got. If that is truly how you feel, then you don’t need to concede the problem is far more pervasive on the right.

Windy doesn’t need to accept reality?

The point my friend is the reflexive whataboutism.

Yeah, that’s probably something you should work on.

You feel the BBC article is whataboutism? Interesting tack to take

I think the BBC article has fuckall to do with whataboutism.

I think you’re so desperate for the attention you get by being a tool here in this forum that you’ll post any article you can find that touches tangentially on anything you can tie to “the Left” so that you can play “whatabout” with problems that are most associated with the far Right and generally just to see if you can get some reaction from any of the more liberal posters here in the LR, and in doing so, you’ll be sure to make your post as dickish as you can just for good measure.

What’s wrong with my premise? That there is antisemitism on the Left or there would be reflexive responses here that didn’t bother to consider the truth of that statement?

You have no actual premise. You have clickbait.

Does the Left have an antisemitism issue?

No.
The left has an issue with Zionism.

Your premise is flawed since I am now party free (or a party of one) and I would posit that the antisemitism of the far right and far left are equal. (Anecdotally I’d actually argue the antisemitism of the left is more pervasive, widespread, and violent, but I interact with more Leftist whackjobs than far right whackjobs so significant sample bias)

You can hypothesize anything you want. This study started with a similar hypothesis, but their data and conclusions seem to disagree with you.

“ Contrary to the expectation of horseshoe theory, the data show the epicenter of antisemitic attitudes is young adults on the far right.”

https://journals.sagepub.com/...77/10659129221111081

I’d be interested in an analysis of a follow-up poll taken after 10-7. There might be a “George Floyd” effect that spikes certain attitudes on the left.

A couple of things I read today regarding college campuses might be of interest. One more serious, one that reads like a parody.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-juvenile-viciousness-of-campus-anti-semitism/ar-AA1jSmqh?domshim=1

From The Atlantic, Nichols is rather concerned about what’s happening on college campuses and how actions being taken by students are likely to follow them their whole lives - like repeating certain chants.
As the University of Illinois international-relations professor Nicholas Grossman wisely observed last week, it’s difficult to square “years of left-wing arguments that society should be hunting for any possible racist implication of words and symbols, even if unintended today, with the claim that ‘from the river to the sea’ must be judged only by what the speaker says is in their heart.”
He’s got a point.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/witness-tells-congress-dei-departments-combat-antisemitism

Stacy Burdett, an independent consultant in antisemitism prevention and response, was one of four witnesses who testified at a Tuesday hearing of the House Subcommittee on Higher Education and Workforce Development about the rise of antisemitism on college campuses.

In response to a question from Rep. Alma Adams (D-NC), Burdett said she doesn’t “know a single Jewish person who isn’t very scared right now” and noted that Jewish organizations and people are reliant on the existing federal civil rights infrastructure to protect their rights. But she acknowledged that DEI departments have struggled with responding to the needs of Jewish students.

“Diversity, equity, and inclusion work maybe wasn’t set up to anticipate a group of mostly white people scared of hate crimes,” Burdett said. "But it can be enhanced, and the people that I work with have adapted and are protecting Jews now.

The point my friend is the reflexive whataboutism.

Yeah, that’s probably something you should work on.

You feel the BBC article is whataboutism? Interesting tack to take

I think the BBC article has fuckall to do with whataboutism.

I think you’re so desperate for the attention you get by being a tool here in this forum that you’ll post any article you can find that touches tangentially on anything you can tie to “the Left” so that you can play “whatabout” with problems that are most associated with the far Right and generally just to see if you can get some reaction from any of the more liberal posters here in the LR, and in doing so, you’ll be sure to make your post as dickish as you can just for good measure.

this. he’s a low-rent Duffy impersonator dripping with equal parts desperation and malice.

total shitstain.

The point my friend is the reflexive whataboutism.

Yeah, that’s probably something you should work on.

You feel the BBC article is whataboutism? Interesting tack to take

I think the BBC article has fuckall to do with whataboutism.

I think you’re so desperate for the attention you get by being a tool here in this forum that you’ll post any article you can find that touches tangentially on anything you can tie to “the Left” so that you can play “whatabout” with problems that are most associated with the far Right and generally just to see if you can get some reaction from any of the more liberal posters here in the LR, and in doing so, you’ll be sure to make your post as dickish as you can just for good measure.

this. he’s a low-rent Duffy impersonator dripping with equal parts desperation and malice.

total shitstain.

Your assessment will be given the due weight it is owed

https://www.reuters.com/legal/nyu-is-sued-by-jewish-students-who-allege-antisemitism-campus-2023-11-14/
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A reminder for windykins on the GOP’s recent stance toward antisemites:

https://youtu.be/Bi6lrinupiU?si=0ZMaavo3ZK6TeT49
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It’s percolating
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It’s percolating

Why are you putting this in a thread about antisemitism? What is “percolating?”

This seems to be yet another example of someone (you) implying that criticism of Israel is antisemitism. It’s lazy thinking, but we’ve come to expect that from you.

The people who accused the students who said Israel was responsible for the Oct 7th attack of antisemitism may now come forward with their accusations against 80% of Israeli Jews for being antisemitic as well.

Four out of five Jewish Israelis believe the government and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are to blame for the mass infiltration of Hamas terrorists into Israel and the massacre that followed, a new Dialog Center poll released on Thursday found.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-767880

Netanyahu’s popularity polled at 4%.

The people who accused the students who said Israel was responsible for the Oct 7th attack of antisemitism may now come forward with their accusations against 80% of Israeli Jews for being antisemitic as well.

Four out of five Jewish Israelis believe the government and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are to blame for the mass infiltration of Hamas terrorists into Israel and the massacre that followed, a new Dialog Center poll released on Thursday found.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-767880

Netanyahu’s popularity polled at 4%.

Your complete inability to comprehend the written word is impressive.

I was wrong, the left clearly has an anti-semitism problem. Just this week both Jim Jeffries and Chuck Schumer spoke at a rally with notorious anti-semite John Hagee.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/divisive-pastor-john-hagee-criticism-role-march-israel-rcna125346

Hagee is also anti-Catholic:

https://www.catholicleague.org/john-hagee-veteran-bigot/

(I am sure windy, being such a defender of papists will be soon critizing this rally for allowing Hagee to speak, any moment now)

Let alone his comments on Muslims and how hurricanes are so to gay people.

This anti-Semite was speaking at the checks notes rally for Israel? That can’t be right. Surely they wouldn’t allow him to speak? Ohh, the organizers have refused to comment on why they invited him.

I was wrong, the left clearly has an anti-semitism problem. Just this week both Jim Jeffries and Chuck Schumer spoke at a rally with notorious anti-semite John Hagee.

https://www.nbcnews.com/...ch-israel-rcna125346

Hagee is also anti-Catholic:

https://www.catholicleague.org/...hagee-veteran-bigot/

(I am sure windy, being such a defender of papists will be soon critizing this rally for allowing Hagee to speak, any moment now)

Let alone his comments on Muslims and how hurricanes are so to gay people.

This anti-Semite was speaking at the checks notes rally for Israel? That can’t be right. Surely they wouldn’t allow him to speak? Ohh, the organizers have refused to comment on why they invited him.

Wrong thread. Hagee is a Trump groupie and is Nikki Haley’s favorite.

Is isn’t a leftist…which is why Windy is silent about him.

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It’s percolating

Why are you putting this in a thread about antisemitism? What is “percolating?”

This seems to be yet another example of someone (you) implying that criticism of Israel is antisemitism. It’s lazy thinking, but we’ve come to expect that from you.

windy doesn’t have time to answer you at the moment.
but shame on you for even asking.

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It’s percolating

Why are you putting this in a thread about antisemitism? What is “percolating?”

This seems to be yet another example of someone (you) implying that criticism of Israel is antisemitism. It’s lazy thinking, but we’ve come to expect that from you.

windy doesn’t have time to answer you at the moment.
but shame on you for even asking.

Windy is disingenuous at best, and a flat out liar at worst. We saw that in the “Christmas is canceled to honor Hamas” thread. He lies, and when his lies are pointed out, he disappears.

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It’s percolating

Why are you putting this in a thread about antisemitism? What is “percolating?”

This seems to be yet another example of someone (you) implying that criticism of Israel is antisemitism. It’s lazy thinking, but we’ve come to expect that from you.

windy doesn’t have time to answer you at the moment.
but shame on you for even asking.

Certain posters are blocked for being mentally unhinged

Share Message - Biden facing growing internal dissent over Israel’s Gaza campaign
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It’s percolating

Why are you putting this in a thread about antisemitism? What is “percolating?”

This seems to be yet another example of someone (you) implying that criticism of Israel is antisemitism. It’s lazy thinking, but we’ve come to expect that from you.

windy doesn’t have time to answer you at the moment.
but shame on you for even asking.

Certain posters are blocked for being mentally unhinged

You’ve shown that you both read and sometimes respond to my posts, which means a) you’re lying again, and b) you’re still ducking my question above.

Why do you lie so much?

Actress Susan Sarandon is facing criticism for saying at a recent pro-Palestinian rally that US Jews fearing for their safety amid a spike in antisemitism “are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country.”
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