What is further guidance? Any details?
Theyâve been told the World Tri Rules (interpreted by the April doc, as amended) will be adopted/enforced wef 25th May.
I know that. Anything more than that?
Why would WT follow what the DTU is doing? Wouldnât that be like WT following a rule USAT mandates? Seems backwards to me.
WT rushed to get a set of rules out the door. They really should have taken their time to get feedback and revise their rules before going public. They didnât and so the DTU said hold my beer and wrote their own set of rules that were more precise. WT liked what the DTU came up with so they changed course, dumped their own verbiage and adopted the DTU. But even the DTU original rule had holes so itâs been revised. If WT had taken their time alll this confusion could have been avoided.
If I use the internal bladderâŚ
Can I put an dual cage (2 * 1L bottles) on the back? (within the 30cm box)?
And I can utilise the down tube bottle holder?
- 500ml front water (?)
- 500 internal bladder in frame
- 500ml down tube bottle holder
- Rear seat - 2 bottle cage (max 2 * 1L)? (probably go 1 and storage instead).
That setup is good to go.
- Your internal bladder is within the frame and not behind like the shiv so no impact on the rule application
- The area within the frame triangle are not regulated so go nuts
- As long as the cages and storage all fit wihtin the 30x30 box youâre good
- 500ml on the front is well within the limit
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Understood but IM also has 100% discretion as to which rules to enforce and which to not. If this was a safety issue, then Iâm sure it would be enforced. The 2 liter max capacity on the steer tube is a safety concern and I 100% expect it to be enforced. The 2 liter limitation on the rear is fine, itâs neither here nor there. The 30cm rear space prohibition is entirely senseless and will be a problem for long course AGâer where 99.9% of the field use a BTS system and many have additional storage for tools to repair flats. There isnât even a very good aerodynamic advantage argument for prohibiting that as itâs not aways done in a way that improves aerodynamics. People need nutrition, especially while IM has Mortal hydration on the course, and need to be self reliant to repair a mechanical. This has zero to do with safety. As I mentioned, one peice aero extensions are a far more egregious flouting of the fairing prohibition. Also, how practical will it be to have race officials policing the 30cm box rule on race morning and looking at 3000 bikes?
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I reckon a German team of two could walk the racks after T1 has closed and spot egregious violations (low %).
Any bike with an attachment to the seat tube AND a bottle (cage) at saddle height will stand out, as will three bottle cages.
Quick check, number noted and a DSQ label (with note to call the ref over to show remediated) hung on the bike. Sorted.
The capacity of a ref team to achieve this can be trialed.
The 250mm limit at the front (if the base of a bottle cage is to the rear of the arm rest lowest point, itâll be illegal) will be more difficult to spot at walking speed.
but serious what the heck is that thing under the profile design aero bottle. I dont see any straw coming from it or any real way of accessing the inside
If you have one of these between the aerobars:
Does the straw count towards the 200 mm height limit?
So thought i had based on the gel thread. I mount a little kid bike bottle for gels. It even come with a smaller than normal bottle cage - so you couldnt even fit a 750ml bottle in there if you wanted. Do I still need to have the cage up at the aerobar pads?
Similarly you could image someone using aero bottles BTA.
If they check according to the rules the bottle you have at check-in isnât relevant. They would test against a 750ML bottle. The rational is you could check in then swap bottles to a larger bottle.
Considering even DTU missed that in their own video my guess is they would only catch it in rare occasions (like there was something far more egregious or suspect that caught their eye) and even then I would be willing to bet they only check that level on the Pros anywhere outside of Germany. After the scrutiny at bike check-in at Roth last year I wouldnât be surprised if they are very detailed on checking again at Roth.
Iâm talking about a case though like and elite cronos bottle where it would be impossible to swap for anotherone
Then you would be fine. The 750ml reference bottle is for standard bottle cages. So if you could demonstrate that the bottle cage is non-standard and couldnât fit a standard bottle youâd be good. Just be sure to have the bottle with you at check-in just in case.
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Yes they do. And they may choose to do so.
But doing so brings risks - because the TOs are WT aligned - they will apply their interpretation of the rules. Then Jimmy has people contacting him from a race querying whether the issue is applicable for IM.
IM doesnât have a process for dealing with the conflicts beyond Jimmy getting called in - which obviously has constraints with time zones and his capacity.
So they want a unified ruleset to avoid conflicts that cause stress in transition and the need for extra resource.
And it would be to the benefit of all to have a unified ruleset. Itâs just that the rules as they stand have been rushed and the avenue for submitting feedback is limited.
âRisksâ? The risk of angry customers and mass confusion is the only risk they are facing. I can say with extreme confidence they will look to avoid that at all costs. Jimmyâs a big boy, he can handle it.
I was thinking about Speedboxes and how they could incorporate existing frames without the risk of manufacturers or pros gaming the systemâŚ
Iâd like to propose the follow addendum
âMechanical storage boxes or flat kits which are mounted directly to the rear of the frame, do not rise more than 10cm above the top tube or protrude further than the centre of the rear wheel, and do not contain water or nutrition, do not count in regards to the 30x30 rear zoneâ
If you want, you can even add in something else that says âathletes may only have one such storage box, and if using a Speedbox, may not have other mechanical boxes elsewhere on the frameâ. (We can work on the wordsmithing, but in other words, you only get one flat kit)
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Or these manufacturers could design boxes that fit at the bottom of the triangle, and offer them at manufacturing cost to past customers to upgrade within the rules.
Speedboxes are already moving in this direction, but I suppose thereâs now a market for some enterprising 3D printers
The trouble is that my frame is optimized around having a Speedbox on the rear and not at the bottom of the frame triangle