The cheating giveaway in the coach’s statement is the “it was just a little, and when you dope, you need a lot†part. This is just too dumb to be a good faith argument.
And you never seem to hear athletes get warned about what eggs or what meat they’re eating. Just be super careful about supplements. Only when someone gets popped does regular food suddenly become a mortal danger of contamination 😂
WADA actually does, indeed, have a story about clomifene contamination from eggs on their site, which details a German study on the issue: https://www.wada-ama.org/en/resources/scientific-research/are-poultry-and-eggs-source-minute-amounts-clomiphene-doping-control#:~:text=The%20determined%20clomiphene%20levels%20result,consumption%20of%20a%20contaminated%20egg.
A single consumption of two clomiphene-containing eggs led to maximum hydroxy-clomiphene concentrations between 82 and 266 pg/mL in the tested urine. Discrimination of the isomers already took place in eggs. Therefore, it was not surprising that almost exclusively (Z)-clomiphene and its metabolites were detected in urine. The (Z)-form of clomiphene has a longer half-life and is mostly found as the only isomer in urine long after clomiphene therapy. Hence, the findings indicated that it is possible to generate an adverse analytical finding by consuming clomiphene-containing eggs.
The cheating giveaway in the coach’s statement is the “it was just a little, and when you dope, you need a lot†part. This is just too dumb to be a good faith argument.
And you never seem to hear athletes get warned about what eggs or what meat they’re eating. Just be super careful about supplements. Only when someone gets popped does regular food suddenly become a mortal danger of contamination 😂
ok, but there again - what could the coach say at this point that you’d be satisfied with? if you’re convinced that hernandez is guilty, let’s admit that nothing the coach says matters either way. if you’re open to hearing the coach’s angle, what were you hoping to hear? i feel like, if we can’t think of an answer to that question, then we’re the ones with the problem.
mind you i’m not taking a stand on hernandez’s guilt, here. it’s just that every time an athlete/coach/agent makes a statement like this, we jump all over it, and i wonder.
at this point i say let the process play out.
WADA actually does, indeed, have a story about clomifene contamination from eggs on their site, which details a German study on the issue: https://www.wada-ama.org/...0contaminated%20egg.
Poor Tomas, how unlucky to have a bad egg right before an all time best performance.
I don’t buy it, myself, but I also was somewhat surprised at how easy it was to track that article down.
WADA also said 23 Chinese swimmers tested positive for heart medication from a contaminated kitchen… Sooo
I don’t buy it, myself, but I also was somewhat surprised at how easy it was to track that article down.
Boxer has been using this “it was the eggs” excuse for the past 2 years, and it hasn’t worked.
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I don’t buy it, myself, but I also was somewhat surprised at how easy it was to track that article down.
Guilty as charged! Thanks for the find.
ok, but there again - what could the coach say at this point that you’d be satisfied with?
Depends on what you mean by “satisfiedâ€. I don’t know if Hernandez has doped. The odds are obviously quite high. The jury is out. Nothing the coach will say will convince me that Tomas is innocent, but he could avoid making him look guiltier than he already does. Like: “I believe in Tomas’s innocence; we’re still looking into what could’ve caused the adverse findingâ€, that’s it.
fair enough.
i’m just struck by how often you’ll hear people online say: if he says he’s guilty, he’s guilty; if he says he’s not guilty, he’s guilty.
and i wonder. . . what do we want to hear?
When Starky was suspended, I believed in his version because it was coherent and verifiable (he had applied for a TUE for what he took, apparently his illness was something he could hardly have made up and the substance was removed from the banned list shortly thereafter).
WADA actually does, indeed, have a story about clomifene contamination from eggs on their site, which details a German study on the issue: https://www.wada-ama.org/...0contaminated%20egg.
Only looked at the headline which refers to detection in urine. Thomas posted what I presume are his adverse findings and these show detection in blood only.
Conor Benn, a boxer in the U.K., argued successfully that the Clomiphene he tested positive for was from contaminated eggs. That was detected in his urine.
Hopefully someone with a scientific background can explain if any of the above has any significance!
fair enough.
i’m just struck by how often you’ll hear people online say: if he says he’s guilty, he’s guilty; if he says he’s not guilty, he’s guilty.
and i wonder. . . what do we want to hear?
The problem is that this isn’t that coach’s first athlete to get popped. This is actually this third: Villalobos (GHRP-6), Ulloa (failing whereabouts three times), and now Hernandez
From what I see on Tomas’ IG and stories, he shows a series of tests that are negative, and only an IM urine test with “no result” on there. Possible that’s the AAV that is in question here.
Pretty sure I got some Clomid around the house still from when my wife was having infertility issues with our second kid, didn’t know it could help me run a 2:34 off the bike lol.
That response from the coach is so suspicious. I wonder how long they’ve known for, Ironman Texas was in April. There certainly was some suspicions around his dropping off the face of the earth.
Nothing like a doping scandal to start the week off.
Just take it all and go run - probably how it works, right?
I can’t imagine training in Summerville - gotta be tough! I did some runs when visiting my grandmother there and my cousins in Hanahan. Probably lost 20 pounds in water weight per run, and the explosion of growth made it seem tricky for cycling. Good on you for getting it done!
WADA actually does, indeed, have a story about clomifene contamination from eggs on their site, which details a German study on the issue: https://www.wada-ama.org/...0contaminated%20egg.
Only looked at the headline which refers to detection in urine. Thomas posted what I presume are his adverse findings and these show detection in blood only.
Conor Benn, a boxer in the U.K., argued successfully that the Clomiphene he tested positive for was from contaminated eggs. That was detected in his urine.
Hopefully someone with a scientific background can explain if any of the above has any significance!
the coach’s statement specifically references a urine test.
fair enough.
i’m just struck by how often you’ll hear people online say: if he says he’s guilty, he’s guilty; if he says he’s not guilty, he’s guilty.
and i wonder. . . what do we want to hear?
The problem is that this isn’t that coach’s first athlete to get popped. This is actually this third: Villalobos (GHRP-6), Ulloa (failing whereabouts three times), and now Hernandez
oh no doubt. again, not talking here about my own feelings on hernandez or the circumstantials surrounding the case. i’m just interested in the “post test statement” as a genre.
Carl Lewis is a perfect example. He failed a couple of tests before Seoul 88, yet he was allowed to compete and ultimately “win” when Ben Johnson was busted. The only caveat is he did not have to go through a knee surgery…
Give me the reference to moving house. Seen this example a few times now, so must be referring to someone specifically
Not long after Chartiers EPO bust, Laidlow pulled out last minute from Ibiza PTO race. The excuse, the timing, everything was sus. His excuse was he had to ‘move house’ on that specific day.
There was later that year a whole controversy with Rudy Von Bergs dad circulating an email linking Laidlow to a doping clinic in Girona and Laidlow himself revealing he was under investigation for doping.
But they where Chinese, not Mexican…
From what I see on Tomas’ IG and stories, he shows a series of tests that are negative, and only an IM urine test with “no result” on there. Possible that’s the AAV that is in question here.
Thanks - just saw valid next to blood so assumed it was a blood test! Looking more closely see valid applied to the passport and the no result is the urine test like you flagged.