THE TEMPUS IS HERE

We bought a Tempus, that arrived beginning of July. I say “we” because it was the idea was for my buddy to use it for IM Canada and then I would take it and test and use it for TTs.

I also own a PSeries which we planned to benchmark against. I have benchmarked the PSeries against the Factor Hanzo so far and they were a virtual tie.

For the Ventum, ordering was super straightforward, no BS. Shipping went well. Bike arrived in perfect condition although my buddy says foam etc was 1/3 of a Canyon. Good for the environment :slight_smile:

He ordered the Force version with Zipp wheels. He got the ASC pro bars. Built in PM was flawless.

For my PSeries I have the same basebar but ASC extensions. It is not installed yet (next week). I currently use an Aeria setup with ASC extensions.

Personally I would prefer my extensions, although he is steadfast on the Pro for comfort. I just found it lacked in BTA options.

Assembly has very straightforward, 99% of it was done. Biggest criticism is the lack of PD bits and pieces to adjust the cockpit. You can easily get these from PD which we did but we were on a tight schedule and thankfully PD was really quick.

First ride (and every subsequent ride) he loved. I started riding it 10 days ago and agree.

We tested wheels and tires a lot. My DT Swiss wheels were faster than the Zipp so he raced with those. I tried to keep an open mind the the Zipp hookless things, but after testing different pressures and optimal pressure I don’t think it’s a bad option, it’s just not the best option. I said “sell em”, he will use them for training and get a set of race wheels.

Compared to my PSeries it lacks in storage. He ended up putting a crappy bento. We struggled with the BTA and the PD Pro. BTS was no problem. This is stuff Ventum can easily overcome. I am sure they will.

When IM Canada was over, the inevitable “I will never do an IM again occurred”. Good! Grab the bike and run.

We are same height, I am longer legged and ride with more reach. So first ride I just put up the seat, put it back and left his cockpit setup intact. I have 100s and 100s of data points on my CDA. First ride, with his setup was very, very close to my PSeries.

I then took off everything above the basebar and put my setup, since I have the same basebar for my PSeries (not yet tested). I dialed in my stack and reach numbers, removed the crappy bento and rested. Virtual tie with the PSeries.

Next step is to put the new basebar on the PSeries and see if that gives it the upper edge.

The Ventum cockpit is WAY nicer than what the PSeries ships with (IMO). A big chunk of the decision to go with the Ventum was the PD cockpit. My buddy could have got a PSeries which he found “boring”.

In terms of performance, these two bikes are a coin toss IMO. Having tested it against a Hanzo, I suspect it would be a coin toss with any high end bike. There are some differences. My PSeries is 1x, the Ventum is 2x. My PSeries is currently on PD Aeria, next step is the upgrade to Wing Ultimate S.

The Ventum has a better cockpit that I don’t think needs upgrading to be in optimal setup. I don’t like the wheels, but they are fine for training.

I do like the tire clearance on the Ventum as I plan to test the Archetype tires soon, and I couldn’t do that on my PSeries.

If I have to get rid of one of the two, I would be hard pressed. I think the Ventum is as fast, a little more exotic. The PSeries is more vanilla but excellent and probably a great reference bike.

I’ll just make sure my buddy doesn’t retire from triathlon.

I still have things to explore but after 10 days of testing, I thought I’d throw this out there.

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Just add some photos and we have a front facing really life customer article… What are the DT Swiss and Zipp wheels you were comparing apples to apples here?

I told you… It’s a great frame…

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Last year I bought the PSeries because I felt it could be as fast as anything out there at a reasonable price. I think sometimes I like challenging the value of the super high end BS stuff. Last year I worked with a guy that bought the 3 most expensive track bikes you can buy and we benchmarked them. He could have saved $65k :slight_smile:

I think the Ventum is on the leading edge of price performance. If it fits, it’s a great choice. It fits me. It fits my buddy better. He is more “normal”.

Zipp wheels were 808.
DT Swiss was Arc 1400 65.
I think they are about the same retail price.
I think DT and PSeries are great “reference points”. I think there are other good options out there but these two are well known and offer great performance. I don’t think the DT swiss is at peak price/performance.

All recent comparisons are done with the DT Swiss We spent over a week on wheels, tires and tire pressures, doing 4.5/5.0/5.5 bar pressure, 25, 28, 30 tires, 5000TT, 5000S, Corsa Pro, Pro Speed…I just have Archetype left to do.

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THESE?

Did you test the same tire pressure’s on both tests of wheels or did you keep limits?

Looks right.

We tested ranges of tire pressures on both wheels and we used optimal tire pressure in comparing them. I always do this. I test the new Archetype which are very wide next week. Unlikely optimal pressure is the same as the 28 for example

We were testing 2 people at a time. He would be on the Zipps and I would be on the DT Swiss, and then we would flip. We did way too much of this. He should have focused on testing his bottle cages didn’t launch his nutrition :slight_smile:

And yes, I did go over the hookless max of 5 bar for testing. He has good dental insurance coverage

So I just want to be clear… With these tests… The results of DT Swiss being faster then ZIPP wheels

Where under what wheel pressures?

The whole bottle cage is a REAL issue these days isn’t it? I see a lot of that on course with the pro’s. Just hanging from a thread or just plan ( GONE AND BYE BYE )

Yo

We saw 3 watts for the pair at 5h IM pace. I would certainly not go out and replace the wheels but he chose to use the DT swiss on the front. He used a disc on the rear. He raced at 4.8 bar (IIRC) on pretty bad roads.

BTW, so as not to clutter up the Ventum thread with Zipp questions, we can debate this stuff over here

What tires won out?

GP5000TT

Is there yet an off the shelf bta solution for this bike, PD does not make one.

Also does anyone that owns one of these know of you can add spacers under the stem for increased stack or is it precut at the factory

Culprit’s seems to work. @marcag has been using it on the Tempus. I think it’s this model , but he found a work around for asc pro. If using the other standard 22.2 clamp hardware this should go on top easily

Also our cages will be ready soon and computer mount is being made. All ready in about 2-3 weeks. But BTA riser and bridges can ship now


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That seems epically ironic - that a company known for leading BTA hydration products, does not offer a solution for their top cockpit product. What product manager screwed that up???

They make one, it’s just had delays in production.

I used the Culprit on the ASC pro Aerobar which is optional on this bike


If you get the standard PD ASC 52 setup, I think the TriRig would also work.

I can check Monday. I am not at home but have that cockpit for my Cervelo

Thanks. If I get a Tempus, I will probably get the upgraded pro extensions. But, if the Culpret and PD BTA products are coming, then that is fine. I will not race on the bike until the Spring anyway. So I would have lots of time to get it perfected.

I hope for next season there are better Bento options. That is a must.

I like the way they did this bike. Accessories can always be added afterwards and I think third parties can do a better job. But they need to get here.

YEs, I a frame storage box would be nice, i saw one company has them for medium size frame only. Maybe the triangles are all the same size

I think a lot of people over estimate how large PD is as a company. Most products have to be developed sequentially as there isn’t enough resource to do things concurrently. So the ASC Pro was finished then the BTA bridge project was started. And it takes time to produce a quality item, even when it looks simple.