Teacher training

For those of you who are teachers or no teacher, teachers, what do you think of this proposal?

Some legislator in Tennessee has proposed a new pathway to teach in Tennessee.

A two year associate degree, instead of a bachelors degree

They must still pass the state require required exams

One year paid clinical experience

A Tennessee only license

Thoughts?

Personally, I think they want more teachers they need to raise the pay. Salaries for beginning teachers in Tennessee are only $42,000 a year. Closer to $50,000 in Nashville.

I think this is an important feature. I’m in PA and I went back to school to become a teacher after college. I can’t remember how long the student teaching period was, but I seem to remember it being 3-4 months. It’s not as big a deal if you’re an undergrad, but going that long without an income is tough as an adult. I think this will encourage adults looking for a career change to at least consider teaching.

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I teach grad students going into healthcare mostly around ages 23-24 years old and some of them need to do some maturing. Can’t imagine 20 year olds in charge of classrooms.

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In highschool we had a 24 year old teacher. I remember him getting dropped off at work by his mom as kids were being dropped off by theirs :joy:.

In fairness, he was one of the best and most influential teachers I had. You could tell he really cared and wanted to make a difference.

I’ve had a teaching gig (on the side) of my main corporate job for over the past 10years.

I think the Associates degree would be hardly enough knowledge to qualify anyone to teach a subject. There are folks with Bachelor’s degrees in majors that still hardly know enough about a subject.

If the subject-matter doesn’t matter (e.g pre-K, Kindergarten, or really young), then the degree could be in something else (Teaching?), but should be more than an Associates level.

You have to know enough about something you teach, to be able to teach it.

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To young kids, anyone over 20 is an old adult.

One of my sons was teaching a calculus class at UCLA when he was 21.

There’s a lot that goes into an Elementary Education degree that doesn’t involve the actual subject matter being taught. It’s more about child psychology, classroom management, etc. If anything, an education degree is MORE important for the younger grades.

I don’t disagree.

Given the important non-subject matter issues at the younger grades, I still feel an Associates is hardly enough. An Associates in child psychology, or education, or other isn’t enough.

Mrs. mck414 is a teacher. mck414 daughter is pursuing her teaching license (has an art degree), to teach art.

From a second hand view, I am not sure a 2 year degree and 1-year clinical enough. A teacher is expected from day one to be the expert in the eyes of the student, and the teacher must have demonstrated classroom management skills (the 1-yr clinical is a good start) but a 2-year degree doesn’t instill confidence in me as a parent, that that teachers knows their shit.

Even the Troops-to-Teachers program requires a bachelors or advanced degree.

Sounds like TN wants to hire glorified babysitters.

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Common for grad students that are TAs. If that what he was in that capacity.

A TA role is very different than being responsible for the entire course material of the class. Which I assume his Professor was.

My bad, I read your comment as the opposite of what you are saying…

Or managing a class of adolescents.

Exactly my thought.

A 2-yr. Associates is sufficient for teaching, provided the program content is loaded with “Teaching Methods” classes and pre-clinical teaching experiences. As well as including the stipulation that the newly licensed teacher has mentorship with an experienced (10+ yrs.) classroom teacher, who is willing to designate focused attention to the rookie. The paid clinical experience is key as well.
I don’t see how a “TN only” license would prevent the new teacher from going somewhere (State) that would accept the credential.
Competitive compensation will bring more qualified (content expert) candidates to the profession initially, but classroom conditions and student disciplinary support are the conditions that will retain quality providers. Parochial/Private school students have traditionally done better because behavioral distractions, disruptions, and disciplinary issues are dramatically less in those environments. P/P schools and teachers simply expose their classes to more and deeper content daily. Reinforcement at home of both the importance of appropriate classroom comportment and content retention, as with P/P parents should probably be placed ahead of everything prior.

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I was about to say this is BS, but instead I’ll politely ask you to let us know why you believe this is the case.

I believe that he was a TA and they were paying him $6K per month to teach two classes.

His previous experience was tutoring physics and math students.

Was he a graduate student?

Yes, he started his PhD in aerospace engineering when he was 21.

Maybe they could also offer a short weekend class telling them how to stay out of jail - by not having sex with their students.

It seems that just about every week there is a story about a female teacher having sex with a young student. I assume that they don’t post stories about male teachers with female students because it isn’t rare or salacious enough.