T100 World Tour 2025

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I sort of stand corrected now that I’ve mathed it out - its still a judgement call, but the math is below

If Gentle goes to Vegas and wins 35 points, Knibb at 2nd would be 28 point, so the difference is 7 points. If that happens Gentle would be on 105 with Knibb on 98 points. Or if Knibb wins, then they swap scores.

Winner for GF gets 55 points vs 45 for second place, or 10 points, then 5 points less per place down to 5th. So no matter what happens, the GF winner takes the whole series (assuming they go 1-2)

If Gentle stays home, she’s on 92 points vs a max of 105 for Knibb. So, she’d need to win the GF and have Knibb be 3rd or below.

Anyone doing Ibiza and Vegas and Dubai gets max a week and a half of training in (its 3 weeks, but recovery + rest for the next one, plus travel), so its a tougher turn around. Then it’s only 4 weeks to the GF, with another tight turn around back to the middle east. Whereas if you skip Vegas, you get 7 weeks between races and don’t have to take 2 transatlantic flights.

So the question becomes: does Gentle risk Vegas, knowing that Knibb currently has her number, or does she put in a solid training block, knowing that Knibb has a big race/travel schedule? (And hope she gets tired).

I guess the answer comes down to a judgement call how she feels Ibiza went vs her potential - whether she can win vs Knibb on current form. But either way the math would be a whole lot easier if they went top 4 count. And if you’re PTO wanting more Gentle vs Knibb matchups, this is what you want, since a 4 scores count system means Gentle goes to Vegas.

My money is on Knibb walking away with the title no matter what Gentle does, so it’s probably all moot anyway

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Just a polite reminder that the thread title contains a “2025”…

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Might have a strong look at Ibiza, combine that with some clubbing atterwards!

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This is the metric I was referring and looking at. Seems like she would want to have her own destiny in her hands, and not that she has to win and Knibb has to fall below 3rd. Seems like each would want it so that whoever wins the GF wins the series too, and really how it should be for us fans…

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Indeed it would be awesome that both are on the line and whoever wins, takes the grand prize!

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I agree with you, it would be good if they had 25 athletes line up, gives more athletes the opportunity and as we have seen some wildcards have raced better than some of the previously higher ranked contracted athletes.

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Meanwhile Ditlev is just chilling on 79 points and no intention of going to LLV…

…with 6 athletes within 10 points , and van Riel only needing an 11th spot in Vegas to overtake the lead

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And just to help people: here’s the link to the 2024 thread which would benefit from the excellent chat:

Or you could just delete this thread @kajet and start it again.

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25 contracted athletes implies 25% more cost or contracts worth, on average, only 80% of the 2024 one. The ‘wildcard’ system seems to have worked well. Fail to see why the fact that “some wildcards have raced better than some of the contracted athletes” is a reason for extending the field to >20. After the swim (where we’ve seen some comedic video opportunities of lone sharks off the back) the second half of the field already get minimal coverage, unless they are riding appreciably faster than the front 5.

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2025
I have read elsewhere (the Las Vegas SportsTravel mag article* which I linked in the 2024 T100 thread) that one of the ‘yet to be announced’ races is in Canada or USA. I presume that has to be early July (slotting in between Alcatraz and London) - clash with Roth.
I hope it’s not Homestead in early March: too early to start a long season.
The schedule challenges seem to be:

    • Ibiza 2 weeks after Nice (should be doable by all MPROs who want to) . . .
    • and two weeks before Kona (less attractive to those WPROs heading for the Pacific and needing to aclimatise)
    • And Las Vegas only a fortnight after IMWC (W).
    • Finally (swidt) Dubai clashes with Marbella (or within a week (assumed)).

*“San Francisco and Lake Las Vegas are confirmed for 2025 and the PTO expects to announce another new location in North America later this year.”

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I wonder if they’re going to team up with AG Nationals? Or if we’ll see them at Malibu or Chicago tri.

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Dragging this across from the LLV thread.

The LLV podium certainly showed that ex top SC athletes can be competitive. Worth noting that (bar Spivey) all 8 of those have successfully raced several times, in MD and draft illegal races already, showing their capability.
I hope those SC athletes who do ‘move up’ get to demonstrate the required standard in 70.3s and Challenge races. Having done so, I’ve no doubt they’ll get T100 wildcard opportunities. A field limit of 20 with 20 contracted (but a requirement to compete in (say) 75% of the regular season races will mean there are (?4+4 average) wildcards on offer (by competition) for every race.
For LLV very few SC athletes asked for their names to be added to the wait list (and I guess Torremolinas had a significant bearing on that. The protocol for filling the start lists and the wait list system will be a familiar one to SC athletes.

I’ve been looking at the SC women who might choose to give up the ‘blow-dry’ style of SBR.
Betto, Bravo, Michel, Van Coervorden, Klamer, Kasper, GTB, Vermeylen, Kingma
Which of those are often seen pushing the bike (in order, I’d have thought GTB as #1)?
Add to that Coldwell who will I assume do well.
Renouf in first half of the PTN pod sharing insights to 2025.

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From Vince’s interview with Supertri released two days ago he mentions briefly that GTB will move to another sport not triathlon.

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“Milwaukee has been selected to host the 2025 USA Triathlon Sprint and Olympic-Distance National Championships . . . scheduled for Aug 8-10.”
Since T100 London is 2-3 Aug I’m afraid reprising the PTO Tour race in Milwaukee that w/e is counted out, despite the great advantages.
The clear weekends for an additional fixture are end June or 24-25 August (or even both).

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That course bored me out of my mind tho…

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That was their call. The AG course goes over a small mountain of a bridge, which would have been pretty epic for them to integrate and get a bunch of steep climbs and descents.

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Wasn’t she getting fitted on a TT bike by Matt Bottrill recently? With the Bahrain money in triathlon, I don’t think there’s a strong incentive for her to switch to pro-cycling which is the most likely sport she can do. And with Luis moving on to middle distance, it makes sense for her to dabble in it as well if they’re going to be training and traveling together.

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She is doing Bahrain 70.3 with Vince which is why she was on a TT bike.

She said recently that her run is too slow to come into T2 with a group of runners who haven’t worked hard on the bike and there aren’t any real breakaway riders to work with her like in the past when she could consistently get away with Duffy and Learmonth. Outside of Weihei the courses are boring and don’t reward strong swim/bike.

I don’t blame her for leaving Leeds and going to Girona. Non, Vicky, Jess L and Kate W have all gone, Alex Y has moved away, Tom B, Sam D and Sophie C are MD now. She isn’t top dog anymore and there are tensions. WTCS travel is tough and if Vince isn’t there anymore I can’t see her enjoying it.

I have heard a rumour what is happening and am trying to find out if it is true.

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Thanks for the intel, though I’m not on board with GTB “not being top dog anymore” just before she’s about to win the supertri series and shortly after her third Olympic medal. What could indeed discourage her from continuing with short course, aside from general fatigue with the lifestyle and from personal life, is the bloody parking lot they’ll be biking around in LA that Knibb mentioned…

So coming back to the subject, my money is on GTB joining the T100 World Tour 2025. She’s 30 years old. Too old to do stupid things, too young to retire.

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When the T100 contracts for 2025 are being identified/chosen, athletes like Luis and GTB are only in the mix for the 4 ‘hot shot’ slots.
Who might be in the mix for those? (16 of the 20 decided from T100 standings top ten, and then in order of PTO Ranking, with some nuance)
Men:
Assured 13 (of 16) offers (I’m making estimates here, obv):
MartenVanRiel
MagnusDitlev
KyleSmith
SamLaidlow
SamLong
YouriKeulen
PieterHeemeryck
MikaNoodt
MathisMargirier
RicoBogen
AlistairBrownlee
FredericFunk
RudyVonBerg

On the edge:
Baekkegard
West
Royle
Mann
Lopez

Hot shots candidates:
Luis
Wilde
Koolhaas
Le Corre
Barnaby
Sanders

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