does anybody remember the process hoITU athletes that have 0 PTO points get into the raceI seem to remember that world triathlon can push for one or two is that correct or was that only for the hotshots.
they are obviously not getting in via the published waiting list as the waiting list is quite long and mostly europeans .Dragging this across from the ITU thread.
T100-Triathlon-World-Tour_Qualification-Criteria_2024_20240219.pdf
For the first time PTO have actually created and published a start list on “the first Tuesday before 30 days before the event”! (3.2 below) Hurrah!
Essentially (this is my interpretation) and this Annex V to the World Tri rules is sloppily/opaquely written imho:
Every contracted athlete (includes ‘hotshots’) who wishes to race gets a start (3.3a.). Then a PTO/WorldTri panel decide which x athletes are to be offered wildcards, and in what order (3.10). If the start list is still not filled they go to the ‘waiting list’ (hasn’t happened so far)(3.11).
2.4. Any non-utilized slots at events will be allocated based on procedures under point 3., and include Invitation Athletes (Wildcards) and Waiting List Athletes.
3. Start Lists and Waiting Lists management procedures:
3.1. National Federations may include athletes in the waiting list at any moment.
3.2. Start lists will be created the first Tuesday before 30 days before the event.
3.3. All athletes entered in the **waiting list ** will be sorted as follows:
a) First by Athletes offered permanent qualification slots.
b) Then Athletes without permanent qualification slots but ranked according to the PTO World Ranking points.
c) Then Athletes without permanent qualification slots and not ranked according to the PTO Ranking points. They are sorted as one per National Federation in alphabetical order of the IOC country code, starting with the host National Federation. Once one athlete (from this group of athletes without PTO ranking points) of every National Federation is on the Waiting List, a second one is included to the Waiting List, with the same principles as above. Then a third athlete, and so on.
3.8. No more athletes are approved in the start list until the invitation (Wildcard) process is completed.
3.9. Until Friday after the creation of the start list National Federations may request invitations (Wildcards).
3.10. Saturday after creation of the start lists, invitations (Wildcards) are awarded by a panel composed by PTO and World Triathlon.
3.11. The start positions not filled by the invitation panel are filled by the next eligible athlete on the sorted Waiting List
thanks
and yes i forgot about the itu pto committee since i have no idea how this works as it is so nontransparent
in a way this is kind of the worst of both worlds itu and feds get their hands into the game but then the athletes still have no clear idea if they get in as there is no clear proccess , as the waiting list does not mean much
i have no issue pto giving wildcards my problem is that there should be a clear process that is transparent
ie wildcards are an extra to the 20 slots just like in itu where they have to increase the size of the field from 55 if they want to give wild cards. or there should be a clear rule that says if you finish top 8 in a pto race you are into the next race.
the same with the permanent wildcards i think is great that athletes that perform get a preference ie keulen, smith
noodt and chura and lucy b . at the same time should this be at a cost for the people on the waiting list…
i think i would like to see that after half the series the 2 or 3 worst athletes per gender, that have not performed should get relegated.
use the 2 highest point scores out of 4 races and the 3 with the lowest score are out.
and to make it a bit fairer with injuries and a spell of bad form atheltes can use their their highest score form last year minus 50 percent to eliminate the worst score of the 2 from this season . so for instance if you won a pto race last year that gives you 17.5 points and i guess that would not relegate you but if your highest score was only 7 and you shill perform badly in th current season you are likely out.
that would also make sure that contracted athletes take it more serious. and that would add another plot as already after 2 races you could have a narrative , who might be relegated . and then you could give people that perform the contract rather then just being a wildcard. injury is obviously a difficult part in this but overall we have seen to many contracted athletes that take the micky from those contracts.
i think what is clear as of now there is no real narrative. so that would be a good way to get one with a midway cut off.
ps and of course we have no idea who takes the mickey and who was maybe begged by pto to sign a contract despite the fact that they had no interest to sign up.
