Sub-3 marathoners

For me my longest runs were maybe 15 milers. What worked for me was fast 15K training runs. Hard open mile mixed in with some tempo in between and then all out for the last mile. The final mile had to be the fastest mile of the day but set the pace first and the rules. My open mile could not be over six minute mile pace which meant the closing mile was gonna be fast and hurt.

I would run this type of run about 2 times a week, the rest of the week I just ran 15K with a hard open mile then some 75% effort.

A lot of things work for a lot of different runners. A few years later I backed off marathon running and was just doing Xterra.

However I was cranking out 45-65 mile run weeks with no speed work at all and holy moly was I getting fast off of that.

good luck with your marathon.

Joey G.

i heard Paul Ryan ran a sub 3 marathon, try contacting his campaign directly for advice

Can’t believe it took this long for someone to offer this up.

I know More is MORE, and people training for a marathon all like to whip out their, uh, training logs and see who has the biggest - volume :wink:

But, please allow me to be the exception (that proves the rule?)
You don’t have to do an insane volume of running for months and months to run a good open Mary.

I’ve done 1 70m week in my life, just to see if I could. That was many years ago.
Could count the # of 60m weeks in my lifetime on the fingers of one hand, likely with some to spare.

In '09 I did Philly as my first open Mary (having done 2 IM’s back in '06). My goal was to go < 2:50. Nice, round #.
For most of the year I’d done 25-30 mpw, w/ maybe 7-8 weeks of as much as 40 or so.
Was working with an assumed V.Dot of ~58.

Here was my last 12 weeks going into Philly (total run volume for the week, L run distance, and pace):
26, 10m, 7:01’s
26.1, 13.1m, 7:01’s (This was my Toughman HIM run)
33.8, 10m, 7:10’s
36, 13m, trail run
33, 10m, 6:45’s
34, 15m, trail run (AmZof LC - back when it was in Oct)
26, 12m, 6:56’s
47, 16m, 6:43’s
34, 8m, 6:35’s (I got an injury this week, thought I had a sfx in my foot. Turned out to be just bruised tendons, whew! But bagged the L run)
40, 20m, 6:37’s
38, 12m, 6:31’s
50, 26.2m, 6:29’s = Philly Mary 2:49:53. (* and I spent a minute+ in a porta potty, so actual ‘running time’ was 2:48:xx)

OK - looking back at this now, I have no f’n clue how I pulled that Philly time outta my ass. : )

The thing I do, which is a lot different than what pretty much anybody else’s “plan” would recommend, is run my L runs as “Steady”, not “Slow”.
I aim for an average HR of ~150 or so for the total run, and run whatever pace I can such that this is the end result.
(LTHR is ~166, give or take.) I’ve been doing this since '05, for better or worse.
My L runs end up being more like M-pace runs, plus say :00-:20/mile, depending on how I’m feeling, etc.

I don’t do hardly any Tempo running, since the L runs kinda cover that to some extent. The multisport races I did/do also kinda fill the “Tempo” box as well.
I try to mix in Strides or Pick-ups as I get closer to a race, to get my legs used to turning over quickly and smoothly.
Will occasionally do some speedwork as well, but that’s always a high-risk/moderate reward activity for me.
YMMV, and probably will.

Currently training for NYC. After totally pooching the entire month of July (avg 15 mpw - GAH!!), started getting my shit together in August.
Have done 34, 38, 35, and 46 mpw; @ 33m for this week w/ a 16m run planned for tomorrow.
Hoping to keep my weekly volume in the 50+ range from here on out, maybe even up to the 60’s by early Oct.

Dunno if this brain dump helps anybody or not, just wanted to show that you don’t necessarily need to be doing 60/70/80 mpw to break 3 hours.
Good luck!!

Perhaps you’re just really fast?

I don’t know what I could do but you all make me want to try.

Shoot, other than my single ironman race, I don’t believe I’ve crossed 40km in a week before.