Spot's IMLP RR

Short Version:

PR’ed the swim by 7 minutes, had a great first lap of the bike, had a shitty second lap of the bike, suffered through 14 miles of the run, hauled off the run course in an ambulance, spent 1+30 in the med tent, allowed to leave after 2 IV bags and 4 chicken broths. DNF, end of story.

Long Version:

The family and I pulled into Saranac Lake on Thursday to stay at Gauthier’s Motor Lodge (for a personal opinion of this place, PM me and I will give you details of why I wasn’t completely thrilled with their accommodations). After lunch and checking in, I zipped back to LP to register. I got down to the race venue, and saw the perfect parking spot, so I quickly dove into the spot right by the oval, on a downhill. I cut in a little too aggressively, because I hit the curb with my right front tire. No biggie I thought as I got out to make sure everything was OK. Everything was definitely not OK as I stared at an absolutely flat tire with a nasty gash in the sidewall. Turns out I just managed to catch a spot in the curb that was broken, and a sharp edge destroyed my tire. Put my money in the meter…gotta register, right? I figured I would deal with this setback later. Went and registered, then went back to the car. Did I mention it was raining? It was. Since I was parked on a downhill, the road near the curb was a torrent of water, which is exactly where my feet needed to go. About 40 minutes and much swearing later, I was good to go (to all of you who happened by a dude changing a tire on a black VW Passat station wagon with two travel cases on top, Thursday in the afternoon, and offered to help, thank you very much).

Had a great time doing a lot of the stuff everyone suggested…Tail O’ the Pup, The Wild Center, kayaking with my boy on the lake, etc. It was a great family vacation (in fact, I’m still on it, writing this from Burlington, Vermont…spent the afternoon swimming in Lake Champlain with my boys having a great time, and tomorrow its the Vermont Teddy Bear Factory!).

Swim: My swim went well. I was petrified of having another panic attack, plus I am not wicked fast in the water, so I situated myself towards the back and to the right, althought I cheated up a bit with about 60 seconds to go. The first lap was like being a spawning salmon, as I groped, pushed, and otherwise clawed my way through many, many slower swimmers. I heard Mike Reilly say they had 900 newbies at the race, and I think many of them seeded themselves too far to the front. There were many times on the first lap that I would come up behind a group of 3-4 swimming really slowly and blocking the way forward. Went through the timing gates at 38 minutes for the first lap, and exited the water with a personal best time of 1:18 (previous IM swim best 1:25). Out of the water and into T-1.

Bike: Dev Paul’s advice (and others) advice kept echoing in my head as I headed out on the bike…stay cool on the first lap, don’t big ring the climbs, spin easily. I had put on an 12-27 before the race, and I used it a lot on the first lap, spinning in the saddle up the hills and keeping my watts and HR low, keeping my eye on my HRM and my Powertap. I tried to gain time on the downhills (that run into Keene is wild…I was close to 50mph in the aerobars!) and the flats. I never felt like I was pushing at all during the entire first lap, and was truly enjoying myself, looking at the scenery, especially the run in from Wilmington to LP alongside Whiteface Mt. I was on my nutrition plan and eating my E-gels and sucking down Gatorade, although my stomach felt a little bloated. I finished the first lap in 3:06, and coupled with my swim and how I felt, I thought that going sub-13 was definitely in the cards for me. However, lap 2 of the bike was horrible. I began to cramp on that first climb coming out of LP, and they just got worse and worse. I tried to get more Gatorade in me, and I started eating bananas at every aid station, trying to get some potassium in me. The cramps were horrific from Wilmington back to LP…I could not get out of the saddle without causing massive cramps, and even putting any power into my stroke would lock up my quads. I ended up going 30+ minutes longer on the second lap, and every mile past 75 was misery. I got into T-2, and took my sweet time getting out onto the run course.

Run: I almost chucked it immediately leaving T-2 as my quads locked up on the downhill and it felt like someone was stabbing them with icepicks. I had to walk until they loosened up a bit, and then I tried to run the flats. I got to the first aid station desperate for chicken broth, as I was covered in salt by this time and knew I had to get more sodium into me. Unfortunately, it wasn’t out yet on the course (never was while I was out there), so I took in some coke and gatorade at every station. I tried to eat pretzels, but they were like sawdust in my mouth and I couldn’t get them down. I hooked up with a nice lady named Jen about a mile out from the run turnaround on River Road, and we ran together a while. I thought if I could just get a rhythm going, I would be OK, but even a 10:00 min/mile pace was too much for me to hold, and I bid adieu and a good race to Jen (if you are on this forum, I hope everything went well for you). I began walking more and more, and running less and less, as the cramps got progressively worse. My right leg would literally lock into a bent position so I would have to walk it out and then resume running. By the time I got to the second lap, I really didn’t think finishing was going to happen. But my family was there, and I thought I could just HTFU, so I started out on the second lap after going 3 hours for the first 13 miles. It was only about 6:30, and figured I could freakin’ crawl to the finish at this point before midnight. I got to mile 14 and things started getting bad. I sat down and tried to regroup, but my legs were cramping so bad that my bent legs cramped while sitting down. As I stood up, the world kind of swirled a bit, and I could feel myself getting light headed and dizzy. I realized I was also getting a bit disoriented, so when I saw a cop, I knew what I had to do. I asked if he could give me a lift back to transition, and when he turned and looked at me, he immediately asked if I wanted an ambulance (I was covered in salt from head to toe at this point…completely white…random racers were asking me if I was OK and one dude even gave me a baggy of Endurolytes…thanks, dude! Tried to get them down, and nearly hurled). I said no, I just probably needed some help getting back. He offered to walk with me back to an aid station, so I said yes, but immediately stumbled a bit, and he grabbed me and helped me to some steps, where I sat down until the ambulance came. I got in the ambulance, and began to shiver like there was no tomorrow. I just could not get warm. They hauled me to the med tent, and determined I was about 7 or so pounds light, and immediately put in an IV. I had a space blanket, two other blankets, and two warm bags of water under each arm pit and I couldn’t stop shivering. My teeth even started chattering a bit. They hung another bag of fluids and also gave me chicken broth, and that combo brought me back to the point I could leave the med tent. I found my wife, and I headed back to the hotel, another IM DNF to my credit.

Aftermath / Lessons learned: 2 days later, my legs still feel like shit. Although I used the same nutrition plan and pacing that I used successfully at IM Wisconsin last year (13:25), and again this year in a tune up Half IM and century ride, I think that when the sun is out, and its not below 70 degrees, I must have a salt supplement. I just lose too much salt when the sun gets out and the temps get warmer than around the low 70s. R10C saw me at the end of Rockman this June, and gave me a bottle of Endurolytes, but I figured my plan from IM Wisconsin from last year would still work, plus I was fine at Rockman, no cramping at all. But at IM distances and in anything approaching warm temps, I’m gonna have to come up with something different…maybe Infinit that I can mix nice and salty. I know my fitness wasn’t the factor as I PR’ed the swim and did better on the first lap of the bike than I thought I would do while holding my energy output down and not feeling like I was working hard at all. But I have to figure out my nutrition once and for all.

I didn’t sign back up for next year. I think that 2008 is going to be a year of regrouping, and getting back to training for fun. Too often this year I headed out to get ready for IMLP with little motivation. But I will be back for redemption at this course. The swim is gorgeous, it is absolutely stunning scenery to bike through, the town is great for the run, and a great place to bring the family. I will be back.

Spot

sorry to hear about your dnf. I think it was hotter than expected in the afternoon. Glad that you are ok.

Spot

so sorry about the DNF man. you still have a bunch of time left this season to seek redemption. good luck.

The first part of your race sounded like it was all coming together for you. Sorry about your DNF, but it was the smart thing to do. Maybe if the chicken broth had been out there it would have made a difference, but you were getting seriously dehydrated.

I’m sorry that you had a rough day, but it sounds like from your last paragraph, and wanting to train for fun again, that you’ve got a good attitude. “The swim is gorgeous” - haha, I love it when people drool over swim courses :slight_smile:

(((((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))))) from Maine

Hey Spot, the temps on loop 1 were still cool. If you were 'sucking down gatorade" then you likely overhydrated in loop 1 and diluted your electrolyte balance. That is likely why you were cramping heading into loop 2. I have a very low sweat rate and during the entire loop 1 I had two bottle of Infinite with a total of 1800 mg of Sodium in those bottles plus a few swigs of water to wash things down. Since I have lots of salt in my diet, I take lots of salt in racing. You likely diluted your electrolytes on loop 1 with too much liquid and then when it got hotter on loop 2 the cramping started as it sounds like your actual pacing was fine.

Sorry spot to hear about your DNF… But it seems that you really tried to HTFU for as long as you could… Sometimes it is smarter to stop which you did…
Enjoy your regrouping and hope to see you in 2009 in LP!!!

cheers,
Fred.

Sorry to hear about your tough day out there. It was way hotter than I thought it was going to be. I really felt the sun on the second lap of the bike and through the entire run. Hope you recover quickly.

I hope all you people with white skiin used SPF 50. I’ve only had 2 sun burns in my life and I use SPF50 at Ironmans even if it will be sub 70 and shady all day. It is like free shade and over 10+ hours even if you were just doing nothing in the sun, you’d be pretty cooked…may as well save my energy for moving forward, not for fighting the sun!

George -

I was wondering how you were doing! Tried following you on IM Live, saw the bike split … then … nothing. I was worried. You are a salty one man! I remember you after Rockman - you were white! I would definitely give Mike at InfinIT a call. He can make you an orange flavored sea water concoction if you so choose. Nothing better - I really do swear by the stuff (as do many others here).

I suppose I won’t see you at IM Lou anytime soon :slight_smile: I’m not looking to forward to racing in August in Kentucky either!

I forgot to get sunscreen in T1 (it was a madhouse) and thought I was going to absolutely fry. I guess the SPF 35 that I put on in the morning was good enough because I really didn’t get burned at all. A volunteer put more on me before the run, so that’s what saved me, I think.

Spot,

Sorry to hear about the negative outcome but you continue to exhibit that Ranger spirit dude. Good on ya.

RLTW
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Can you overhydrate on Gatorade? I thought the whole point of that stuff was to keep you from doing so. Anyway, I gotta figure out this sodium / sweating nutrution thing. I thought I had it dicked, but I guess not.

Spot

Yes, you can overhydrate on Gatorade in that the sodium balance in it, is lower than what your blood sodium typically is (or at least this is my understanding). Pump yourself with too much Gatorade and you will dilute your blood sodium. In this situation you are better off to be slightly dehydrated and low on sodium (hypovolemic hyponatremia) than to be over hydrated and low on sodium (hypervolemic hyponatremia which can become life threatening).

Read every word in this entire thread:

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/…_latest_reply;so=ASC

Another question now. Did you “hydrate more” on race day than you would in training? With the zillion aid stations on course, people hydrate way more than they normally would in training and then they wonder why they feel all messed up. This is what I used to do until a life threatening trip to the medical tent in 2003 forced me to study what was going on!

Frankly, I think that they only need 2 aid stations on each loop of the bike. If you start with 2 bottles and get 4 more per loop at those 2 aid stations that would give people up to 10 bottles over the ride. That should be more than enough even in the harshest conditions. The problem with the zillion aid stations is that folks loose track of how much liquid they are taking in. As triathletes, we think that more of what is good must be better which clearly is not the case of hydration while exercising.

Dev

No, I feel like I was on my “plan”…no more, no less. I had two bottles of E-fuel to start with, and downed one by the second aid station, then grabbed a Gatorade. I think my totals were something like 2 bottles of E-Fuel and probably 6 Gatorades. I downed 5-6 E-gels for nutrition, which had even more sodium in them. I did take a couple of swigs of cold water on the course because the cloying taste of the gels and Gatorade was making me gag. The nutrition pacing that I was on worked perfectly at IM Wisconsin (where it was even colder and very wet) and in my pre-race workouts, notably a 102 mile ride a month out. I try to make sure that I do in the race what I do when I train.

Spot

It may have worked at Ironman Wisconsin despite the cold temps because the water temperature in the swm may have been warmer…thus you needed that much liquid to replinish lost liquid from the swim. At LP, the water was colder and not as dehydrating in a long sleeve suit, so you may have needed less on bike loop 1. There is a “timing” element to all of this. You can’t just look at aggregate consumption from day to day and use the same plan. You have to match the fluid replenishment to fluid loss. At LP, the swim water was cool and bike loop 1 was also reasonably cool, so you would not have needed lots of liquid early in the day, but certainly would have needed more later in the day. Taken to the extreme, I could say i need 6 bottles over 180’s, pump them back in the first K and then say that I am ready to go as my nutrition requirements are taken care of. I am not saying that this is what happened, but the main point is that the timing of the replenishment is not a cookie cutter thing but it is a bit of a fine art that has to be matched to pace, changing weather, caloric needs and sodium needs.

Mirror Lake is awesome, so clear and cool. I really don’t like it when the temps get too warm and you bake in your wetsuit…the water temp of the lake was perfect.

How did you like Book 7? The spousal unit and I just finished reading it.

Spot

Sorry to hear about your race. My guess is that you’ll make a return and do to IMLP what you did to IMoo last year. Just out of curiosity, do you think that your bike choice had anything to do with it? If I remember correctly, you went with the SLC last year and had better luck with hydration/nutrition. Maybe you are just better off in a more upright position with respect to digesting and processing your food and drinks over the longer courses? No idea if that is the case at all, just wondering. Anyway, enjoy your vacation and family. We’ll see you back here for some rides and lies…


on book 7 -
It’s not as well-written as some of the others. With Harry etc not at school, she loses the time frame that sets, both for a normal day, and the school year. The characters seem to float around too much, with little to anchor their actions - and maybe that’s part of the point, as they really have no plan - but it really feels too ‘floaty’ to me. For instance, when they are at Godric’s Hollow on Xmas eve, my reaction was WOW it’s Christmas already?! when did that happen? and Harry’s comment that they’d lost track of the days didn’t fit… Hermione should most certainly be able to keep track of the date :slight_smile:
The horcruxes are a really neat thing, and I’m excited to see what happens with them. I felt that the destruction of the locket was anti-climatic, though ‘watching’ Harry chase the silver doe through the woods, and then dive in for the sword was exciting. I’m on pg. 288 so that’s as far as I’ve gotten.

My favorite was the fourth book and the TriWizard Tournament. LOVE the part in the movie when Fred and George yell “GO, DRAGON!” as the dragon hits the stands they’re in and wrecks a large portion of them…

I was up reading until 10pm last night, I just didn’t want to put that book down! I get scared sometimes reading it at night though. Reading about Dementors… then turning all the lights out… ooohhhh I get all scared :stuck_out_tongue:

Mirror Lake is awesome, so clear and cool. I really don’t like it when the temps get too warm and you bake in your wetsuit…the water temp of the lake was perfect. if you get too warm in the wetsuit, here’s a hint, take it off and swim without it :wink:
How are you feeling 3 days post-race?