Is there a tri short available that gives some added buoyancy that’s also legal for non-wetsuit swims? Looks like the temps are going to make my upcoming races no wetsuit, just wondering.
I’m pretty sure anything like that would not be legal for a non-wetsuit swim
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Is there a tri short available that gives some added buoyancy that’s also legal for non-wetsuit swims? Looks like the temps are going to make my upcoming races no wetsuit, just wondering.
That’s illegal
Not even something with a buoyant seat pad?
Not even something with a buoyant seat pad?
Its all illegal. No wetsuit = no buoyance assist. Just get some better body position (may require 300 hrs of swimming) and make sure your legs and core and well conditioned.
Its all illegal.//
Is it though? I mean I see all kinds of Tri shorts made out of lycra, with seat pads in them, and I presume most of them float. Are you telling me they are illegal to wear on their own> I train in the pool in my DeSoto Tri shorts, they feel heavy. Not sure if they float(probably), but pretty sure they wouldn’t float more than a silver dollar worth of weight. Certainly not the advantage of a full on speed suit, which would be legal…
So just because the water temp is above 78 degrees, buoyancy now becomes an unfair advantage? I agree with your recommendations, but the concept of not allowing buoyant shorts when wetsuits are perfectly fine (given temperatures considerations) is lost on me.
So just because the water temp is above 78 degrees, buoyancy now becomes an unfair advantage? I agree with your recommendations, but the concept of not allowing buoyant shorts when wetsuits are perfectly fine (given temperatures considerations) is lost on me.
If this is your mindset, I can’t help you. Just go to your race with a pull buoy in that case and while you are at it, get some dead fish from Frank Cardia (as in finman’s fins).
My apologies, I thought I was on slow twitch, and not on let’s run.
My apologies, I thought I was on slow twitch, and not on let’s run.
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You have been told what the rules are but continue to try to find a way that they won’t apply to you.
Check out the rules for yourself if you don’t believe everyone here on ST.
http://ap.ironman.com/triathlon/pages/resources/rules-and-regulations.aspx#axzz5sNNQcNc2
What part of dev’s response was unclear? Buoyancy aids are illegal.
That said, you could wear a good swimskin, they’ll give a very small buoyancy aid by trapping a little bit of air, plus compression will help reduce drag and improve alignment.
The rules posted by Ironman give more details about permissible swim gear than the rules posted by USAT https://www.teamusa.org/usa-triathlon/about/multisport/competitive-rules#article%203
Ironman rules refer to textile materials vs neoprene or polyurethane. USAT states nothing. My local race Sunday (USAT sanctioned sprint/olympic) looks to be too warm for wetsuits so I think I’ll be a little more observant this time. I strained a hammie about a month ago so my run’s gonna suck, may need those extra seconds to get on the podium.
I can’t help you on the shorts but I found a bike you can use in another thread that may help you?
https://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Does_this_look_like_the_bike_of_a_cheater%3F_P6968993/?forum_view=forum_view_collapsed&;page=unread#unread
Per USAT rules… above 78 to 84 you can wear something with buoyancy, but be ineligible for awards. Above 84, no buoyancy, including floaty shorts.
I’m not sure what Ironman rules are… honestly for non-wetsuit swims, get a good swimskin and learn good body position to keep your hips up naturally.
Yep, use to be able to ask a question on slowtwitch and get credible and thoughtful responses. Now you get the snark and troll like comments. I like to use a wetsuit and have used them for full seasons. Now with water temps up I’m going to just wear shorts. I understand about overheating in a wetsuit as the reason for not wearing them above 78, it has nothing to do with buoyancy. So my question or confusion was about why at 78 degrees buoyancy now becomes an issue.
But feel free to post criticism, negative comments, and troll me. Slowtwitch probably should be like all the other sites.
Yep, use to be able to ask a question on slowtwitch and get credible and thoughtful responses. Now you get the snark and troll like comments. I like to use a wetsuit and have used them for full seasons. Now with water temps up I’m going to just wear shorts. I understand about overheating in a wetsuit as the reason for not wearing them above 78, it has nothing to do with buoyancy. So my question or confusion was about why at 78 degrees buoyancy now becomes an issue.
But feel free to post criticism, negative comments, and troll me. Slowtwitch probably should be like all the other sites.
I’m not sure I understand where you say “why at 78 degrees buoyancy now becomes an issue”. because buoyancy provided by same neoprene shorts is an advantage. Am I not understanding your question? or are you saying they should allow buoyancy shorts no matter the temperature?
Yep, use to be able to ask a question on slowtwitch and get credible and thoughtful responses. Now you get the snark and troll like comments. I like to use a wetsuit and have used them for full seasons. Now with water temps up I’m going to just wear shorts. I understand about overheating in a wetsuit as the reason for not wearing them above 78, it has nothing to do with buoyancy. So my question or confusion was about why at 78 degrees buoyancy now becomes an issue.
But feel free to post criticism, negative comments, and troll me. Slowtwitch probably should be like all the other sites.
I’m not sure I understand where you say “why at 78 degrees buoyancy now becomes an issue”. because buoyancy provided by same neoprene shorts is an advantage. Am I not understanding your question? or are you saying they should allow buoyancy shorts no matter the temperature?
No, I understand that the rule is no wetsuit over 78 degrees due to the potential of over heating. I was wondering if there were buoyant shorts available for when wetsuits were not allowed. It was pointed out to me that buoyant shorts would be illegal. So it left me wondering if when wetsuits are allowed buoyancy is ok, why is it that buoyant shorts (which wouldn’t cause overheating issues) are not approved. Yes, it would give an advantage, but so does a wetsuit. Some choose not to wear a wetsuit when temps allow. There may be something about buoyant shorts that I don’t understand. Are these type of shorts illegal in any race? I’m under the impression that under 78 you can wear anything?
There may be something about buoyant shorts that I don’t understand. //
there is, and I think I can clear it up quickly. Buoyant shorts(made from neoprene) = wetsuit. So whenever you see a rule about a wetsuit, it includes buoyant shorts too…
I assumed under 78 you could wear the buoyant shorts.
Yep, use to be able to ask a question on slowtwitch and get credible and thoughtful responses. Now you get the snark and troll like comments. I like to use a wetsuit and have used them for full seasons. Now with water temps up I’m going to just wear shorts. I understand about overheating in a wetsuit as the reason for not wearing them above 78, it has nothing to do with buoyancy. So my question or confusion was about why at 78 degrees buoyancy now becomes an issue.
But feel free to post criticism, negative comments, and troll me. Slowtwitch probably should be like all the other sites.
I’m not sure I understand where you say “why at 78 degrees buoyancy now becomes an issue”. because buoyancy provided by same neoprene shorts is an advantage. Am I not understanding your question? or are you saying they should allow buoyancy shorts no matter the temperature?
No, I understand that the rule is no wetsuit over 78 degrees due to the potential of over heating. I was wondering if there were buoyant shorts available for when wetsuits were not allowed. It was pointed out to me that buoyant shorts would be illegal. So it left me wondering if when wetsuits are allowed buoyancy is ok, why is it that buoyant shorts (which wouldn’t cause overheating issues) are not approved. Yes, it would give an advantage, but so does a wetsuit. Some choose not to wear a wetsuit when temps allow. There may be something about buoyant shorts that I don’t understand. Are these type of shorts illegal in any race? I’m under the impression that under 78 you can wear anything?
I see your point here, it’s a reasonable question.
I’m not a USAT expert, but just in my impression, wetsuits were mainly originally allowed for warmth - it just happened to be that they give a significant boost in speed due to both buoyancy and the smoother surface. I doubt it was the USAT original intent to let competitors use wetsuits mainly for the speed boost, and that advantage is just a reality of using wetsuits in swimming.
So for warm conditions (where wetsuits can actually be dangerous for overheating - has actually happaned several times!), it makes more sense to just disallow all buoyancy aids that could give a significant speed boost.
Interestingly, in my personal case, I swim SLOWER with a pull buoy than without (by about 7sec/100!) and thus even if they allowed PBs in races, I’d opt to not use one. Nor would I use the floaty shorts. But I don’t blame you for asking - I do think wetsuits are very helpful for getting more newbs and rookies into our sport, which is not a bad thing in the state of decline it’s currently undergoing.