Many don’t even go to college.
Good. if people who have no talent for thinking would stop going to college to drink beer, college wouldn’t cost so much for the kids who intend to actually learn there.
not everyone needs to go to college! everyone to the left of the IQ bell curve is probably done a disservice by it and should be in a trade school or just working.
I have no problem with their salaries, but this isn’t about salaries is it. It’s about profit sharing to players who put up ZERO dollars or have any financial risk on the business end.
I think that you are misinterpreting the story. Its about salaries, but the salaries are derived from income/profit.
They are asking to have the salary cap linked to a higher % of basketball related income. They are saying that you take all BRI*.57 (current) and then divide it between X teams, and you have the “cap”. The owners want that number to be 50% vs. the 57% now. Obviously with a higher cap, comes higher salaries. And it could be argued that’s profit sharing, but the owners concede that point, there’s just an argument over the #. The owners (IIRC) get 100% of non-BRI.
So the players are perfectly happy to “accept” a salary, but their argument is that the league/owners, via a monopoly is colluding to keep the “free-market salary value” down.
I love this. Every time the players want more people get pissed. They are the talent. Without them there is no sport. My are the owners never given a hard time for their moves to get more money?
Let the player go start their own leage and let the league owners go hire other players and see who has a more marketable product.
Considering how many players end up broke - they should be more concerned with securing a guaranteed pension versus a percentage of money that they’ll be wasting anyway.
43 players since 1962 in a league with 450 players doesn’t sound like very many to me. Maybe 15-20 of those guys are still playing. So 96% played some college ball.
Many don’t even go to college.
Good. if people who have no talent for thinking would stop going to college to drink beer, college wouldn’t cost so much for the kids who intend to actually learn there.
not everyone needs to go to college! everyone to the left of the IQ bell curve is probably done a disservice by it and should be in a trade school or just working.
You are correct, I would normally agree. But NBA players are not going to the NBA due to their intellectual prowess and maturity. They are going straight there because they can get a ball in a metal rim better than their peers. Athletes that go to college generally enter the NBA at a more mature level because there, they have a new coach to mentor them on how to be an adult. These guys who go straight to the NBA from high school have been surrounded by enablers and hangeroners (don’t comment on this spelling) so when they all of a sudden have millions, they often lack the maturity to handle it. They also lack control of the urge to “keep it real.” Not to say this doesn’t happen with players that go to college, but I think the stats support that the college athletic experience does more good for an athlete than not.
43 players since 1962 in a league with 450 players doesn’t sound like very many to me. Maybe 15-20 of those guys are still playing. So 96% played some college ball.
Ok since we are dwelling on symantics, I will say few go straight to the NBA. But I still believe that they mature by getting at least some college. If not for the experience, for being taken away from the destructive influence they probably had in high school. There are exceptions.
43 players since 1962 in a league with 450 players doesn’t sound like very many to me. Maybe 15-20 of those guys are still playing. So 96% played some college ball.
I think this discussion started when someone said something about college dropouts.
How many of the NBA players have college degrees?
Of course the numbers of player who go directly to the NBA from High School are small, the percentage of College players who make it to the NBA are well under 2% of College BB players.
And what does it matter how many have College Degrees or not or even stepped foot on a College campus?, I think the real questions is will Labor find it easier to get into another league and make similar $$$ or will management be more able to replace the work force?
Yes, the ones who actually do suffer are those tossing peanuts and parking cars. But do you think those 1% care?
Which 1%? The players who make 1% as much a year as the owners, or the owners who are in the 0.01%?
Curse you for beating me to starting this thread, I wanted to title it:
The NBA Lockout, brought to you by Cash4Gold.com!
I love this. Every time the players want more people get pissed. They are the talent. Without them there is no sport. My are the owners never given a hard time for their moves to get more money?
Conversely if their are no owners, there is nobody to create teams. Both are at fault, but it’s hard to feel for someone who plays a game and makes millions and complains about tens of thousands of dollars, talks about the hardships of not getting a check because of a lockout in their fifth year in the league, etc.
There are 12 NBA owners on the Forbes 500…ranging from $1.5 to $15 billion net worth. I don’t exactly feel bad for them either. The “poorest” NBA owner is still worth $100 million or so. Though a smart NBA superstar making $15+ million a year with big endorsements should have that sort of net worth too if they aren’t financial idiots.
The whole thing is pretty stupid. They are basically squabbling over whether it’s 50/50 or 51/49 split. Personally, I think the owners probably need that 1% a lot more than the players do. It’s embarrassing all around that they are stalled over such a small difference.
some players have started going to Europe =)
Let the player go start their own leage and let the league owners go hire other players and see who has a more marketable product.
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What would be ideal is, for those not intellectually inclined, that they go to the minor leagues for a couple year getting paid crap, or europe, instead of going to college and taking fake classes =)
Not to say this doesn’t happen with players that go to college, but I think the stats support that the college athletic experience does more good for an athlete than not.
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I don’t care one way or another it is none of my business to tell an organization how it should run it. If the NBA wants to allow people to go straight in, fine. Just don’t be suprised when the maturity of those they let in suck as human beings. I made my initial post based on what somebody else said. I don’t think the lack of education of NBA players has any bearing here. It doesn’t help, but the season not happening is a result of greed, plain and simple.
Why both of course.
It’s not just the split, but also the implications of that split and how things work in the league’s operations.
Now if only the baseball guys would go back on strike (forever), I would be the happiest man alive! 
Less than 20% have college degrees and more than 60% are broke 5 years after retiring. Meanwhile, the average annual salary in the N.B.A. is more than $5.85 million.
Not dealing with the savviest people here.
Many teams employ counselors to help the players( the younger ones in particular) because they are so poor at managing their personal financial situation. Many come from not much or modest back-grounds, make millions for a few years, and then it’s all gone.
That being said, it’s hard to have much feeling for people arguing over money in these situations.
I think this discussion started when someone said something about college dropouts.
I just corrected an inaccuracy that was descending towards bashing the players.
How many of the NBA players have college degrees?
according to a 2009 NYT article 21%.
And what does it matter how many have College Degrees or not or even stepped foot on a College campus?, I think the real questions is will Labor find it easier to get into another league and make similar $$$ or will management be more able to replace the work force?
I don’t think it will ever come to that. I think the threat of anti-trust action will force the owners back to the table, and they’ll have to trash this season but they’ll come up with something and they’ll play again next season.