NYT: Armstrong’s Testing Plan Ends Before it Begins

New York Times
Feb. 11, 2009

Nearly five months after Lance Armstrong announced with great fanfare that he was returning to cycling and would subject himself to a strict and transparent individual antidoping program, that program has been abandoned without ever beginning.

Don Catlin, the prominent antidoping scientist who was supposed to run Armstrong’s program, said Wednesday that they had decided earlier in the day to part ways, without Catlin’s obtaining a full blood and urine sample from Armstrong. The program was too complex and too costly to implement, Catlin said, and the decision to terminate it was mutual…

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/12/sports/othersports/12cycling.html?scp=8&sq=armstrong&st=cse

As Ivan Basso and Patrick Sinkewitz are already posting their test results online, I’m hoping that Armstrong is still able to move forward to some degree w/posting his test results online in the future.

I don’t think it will change anyone’s mind in polar camps regarding claims of alleged doping, but it’s a good step forward for the sport in general regarding more transparency in testing.

Interesting. Slight hijack though:

Did anyone else see the interview of A-Rod the other day on ESPN? He mentioned that he had been tested “8 to 10 times” over the past two YEARS. That’s ridiculous. Cycling’s quest to prove innocence is bold and needed. The top guys get tested a ton. Is there a difference in the PED’s that warrant such long periods between tests in baseball and not so in cycling?

Whatever the case, can we agree that baseball players need to be tested more than three or four time per year??

I also heard that in 2004 and maybe even later, the MLB players were tipped off about when they would be tested so they had time to get clean.

It’s great practice for when he goes in to politics!

Wow. I’ve always had a lot of respect for Catlin and was wondering how this whole thing would work out. I guess now we know. Anyone who doesn’t see right through LA/Stapleton’s excuses about problems with “administration, coordination and cost” must be truly blinded by their adoration of the second coming.

At the end of the day - Lance does not say that he “never has taked PED’s”…what he does say is that he has “never tested positive for PED’s”.

Fact is many elites in many sports are just dropping the pills that are handed to them for dinner, trusting their coaches and doctors. There was once a pro cyclist who had an aunt baking PED’s into his cookies - for real…

“At the end of the day - Lance does not say… blahblahblah…”

Look, I don’t have a dog in the “Is he or isn’t he” fight, but please - folks? can we just stop repeating this little piece of nonsense? It’s total BS, and completely factually innacurate…

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You are too smart to be so delusional. I was in the game before I crashed out…granted in 1992 or so. Why eat when you can get an IV? I lived at OTC, I played the game…I am not saying anyone is innocent or guilty…cycling since 89 and the Greg era was a whole new game in the US. NO ONE was clean. You think for an second tri is/was clean?

Maybe if we meet in person sometime we can talk. Or maybe you want to head out to Xantasia and have Monty make you a maragrita…he, if the only one is one of the few who I really think was clean back in the day…and even up to today.

Maybe Google “baseball” and “steroids” …it isnt who was, it is “who wasnt”

Chip, please read people’s posts first, before you press “submit” OK?

I was responding to the “Armstrong never denied…” nonsense. Frankly, I could care less about the entire did he/didn’t he topic, but I’m really tired of people trying to give credence to a “non-denial denial” that is completely inaccurate. He did, in fact, make the complete denial you claim he didn’t, and has in fact done so, on the record, multiple times.

That’s all I’m saying, I’m calling you out for a factual inaccuracy, not defending Armstrong…

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They are already posted.

http://www.livestrong.com/lance-armstrong/blog/armstrongs-testing-results-to-be-posted-at-livestrong-com/Blog:e7230ee9-8736-45d9-aaff-ebad3773fc8cPost:4d1f78a2-14b5-4790-9dec-b18b3721f0c9/

I did read it. At the end of the day I am not shocked that Lance (or any other pro) wont publish their day to day blood pathology or urine makeup. I sure as hell would not and I am as clean and the driven snow…then again. I dont have multiple 24 hour news stations, the internet and the public sniffing my every fart.

Hey Chip!

I am siding with “Fredly” on this one,irregardless to whatever he may or may not be on…does it REALLY F**KING MATTER? Seriously…I do not give a freekin’ rip on this… I want heroic, epic champions…Not (sorry) Levi or Chris Horner (2 ‘clean’ guys, Obviously NOT on the “Plan”).

The world of N. American Stick and Ball (+ Hockey) has shown that all this testing is just lip service, I say let all drugs be ok…then let the fastest win.

Just like in Age Group Triathlon…Where we are on the honour system…just like drafting

Letting it go, and not caring a bit about little things like this.

TP

Not (sorry) Levi or Chris Horner (2 ‘clean’ guys, Obviously NOT on the “Plan”).

Hahahaha, good one!

Without taking sides in this, Armstrong has a completely defendable position for not saying he never took PEDs. He had cancer. EPO or various forms of red blood cell building drugs are often (always?) prescribed. I know my wife was getting it (and transfusions) almost every week while undergoing both chemo and radiation.

So, is this his rational for saying, “I’ve never tested positive…” Who knows? But it is plausible.

I’m glad I was never even close to good enough to be in the game. Glad I never faced that decision. I’d recommend reading “A Dog in the Hat” for anyone who wants a bit of an inside peek into the game.

Not (sorry) Levi or Chris Horner (2 ‘clean’ guys, Obviously NOT on the “Plan”).

** Hahahaha, good one!**

Indeed.

are we surprised?

we sure as hell shouldn’t be.

Lance Armstrong’s test results posted online
By Gary Boulanger, BikeRadar US editor Lance Armstrong, 37, races in Australia
Photo ©: Roberto Bettini http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2009/jan09/TDU09/TDU096/1001tn.jpg
In the wake of anti-doping expert Don Catlin parting ways with Lance Armstrong, word has come from the Armstrong camp that the seven-time winner of the Tour de France has enlisted Ramsus Damsgaard to oversee his testing program for 2009.
Detailed blood test results from seven International Cycling Union (UCI) and Damsgaard out-of-competition tests are now posted on www.livestrong.com.
“After a thorough review of the efficiency of a separate testing program the decision has been made to transfer the comprehensive programme we had planned to do with Don Catlin to Ramsus Damsgaard, a renowned anti-doping expert who runs the Astana team’s internal testing program,” said Bill Stapleton, Armstrong’s long-time agent and lawyer.
Armstrong will continue to be tested by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA), UCI, and the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). Requests have been made to USADA and WADA to release their results so they can be posted as well.
Armstrong’s current testing results:
Sample Date Hemoglobin Hematocrit (%) OFF-score Hb z-score OFF z-score Oct 6, 2008 15.5 43.7 Oct 16, 2008 14.3 39.3 83.3 Nov 26, 2008 15 42.8 87.6 0.7 0.27 Dec 3, 2008 14.4 41.9 89.3 -0.3 0.28 Dec 11, 2008 14.3 39.4 74.9 -0.3 -0.91 Dec 18, 2008 15.4 42.1 83.3 1.2 -0.04 Feb 4, 2009 15.2 45.8

Sounds like the fox has been retained to guard the henhouse.

I like your attitude, if only because you seem to do what you say is right. “Let all do drugs and see who’s fastest?” I bet you’re doing crystal meth already, otherwise you wouldn’t be posting such bullshit. It’s hardly readable (your atrocious grammar and spelling don’t help). Do you have kids? Want them to worship athletes filled with so much dope that their eyeballs are practically popping out? Wait, you’re the pro-active kind of guy: you would not only encourage your twelve year-old son to take some EPO before his next “Little Wheels League” race down in town, but you would administer it to him personally–since safety comes first (the little dude could mess up).

Let me get this right:

  1. NO signed contract with Catlin for 5 months?
  2. COST is mentioned as a reason for termination?
  3. The drug testers would be “tripping over themselves” to get to Lance?

This is the bullshit of all bullshit.

If you want to believe, fine. Ring ling Brothers Circus once had a real unicorn. Then we found out they had drilled a hole in a horses skull and implanted the horn. Lance’s excuses on this issue are tantamount to an admission of guilt. That’s what I want to believe.

If you want to believe, fine. Ring ling Brothers Circus once had a real unicorn.


Um … I don’t believe I said I believed. I believe I quite clearly said that it appears he’s retained the fox to guard the henhouse. Is that an expression you don’t understand?