Non of the WTCS races have been full yet this season so no wait lists as of now. Even Hamburg isn’t full.
well thats what the rules say
the entry for world series races is based on the world ranking
and from what i see he has the lowest world ranking of all entries
and because the brits swap out so many atheltes world tri does not have time to update the waiting list lol
hamburg is full
There is only 55 women on the start list. Is it smaller for Hamburg or has it changed? I thought it was 55 for Olympics and 65 for WTCS?
BT played by the current rules.
What are you defending, exactly? Are you suggesting that Yee was entered on the start list because he was intending on competing?
Specified field for WTCS is 55 and 65 for the final. Think pre-Olympics and with the demise of Abu Dhabi (and ridiculously few WTCS races on the calendar) they increased it (just) for 2024. Section 10.6(a) in the rules has a table.
There were only 50 on both men’s and women’s when I accessed the start lists on the day of publication, in accordance with the procedure below.
27. APPENDIX E: WORLD TRIATHLON GENERAL QUALIFICATION RULES AND PROCEDURES
2.3. Start list will be created the first Tuesday immediately prior before 30 days before the event, . . . a.) All athletes entered in the waiting list will be sorted as follows: (i) First by World Triathlon Ranking, or the priority indicated in the Qualification Criteria, Appendix T applies;
(ii) Then Athletes without World Triathlon Ranking points. . . .
b.) The number of athletes equal to the size of the start list minus five will be moved to the start list, . . . National Federation quota da da da
. . and . . .
2.7. Till Friday after the creation of the start list:
a.) National Federations may request substitutions;
b.) National Federations may request withdrawals without penalty;
c.) National Federations may request invitations.
2.8. Saturday after the creation of the start lists invitations are awarded as [by an Invitation Panel: at least five invitations]
2.9. The start positions not filled by the invitation panel are filled by the next eligible athlete on the sorted Waiting List;
It wasn’t me. I said GB-Tri used the rules as per any other race and any other federation. Yee was on the start list (I didn’t see it but others did) and then Bentley was swapped in.
Every federation is going to game the rules to their advantage. You can’t criticise them for doing so.
always 55 for World Cup and world series but world tri can invite 5 people if they wish so it can be extended to 60 ( incorrect its max 55 )
65 is Conti cup which can be extend to 70 .
for the relay in Hamburg they did extend from 18 teams limit to 22 ( I think )
and ps I did forget the 65 for grand final.
it was I think 47 men and 51 females, which for instance is a point I do not quite understand, they should fill all 55 places on Tuesday but they waited a good few days to fill the list to 55.
given that in the males the highest ranked athelte is I think 83rd its quasi inevitable there is a waiting list which they are extremely slow to update atm.
Brit Tri Selection Policy offers insight, call it ‘gaming’ or ‘time-wasting’ if you like:
4.2 Substitutions have to be processed by the end of the week in which the relevant start-list is produced. If no substitution is requested by a federation by this time, it cannot be used at a later date.
4.3 Wherever possible, BTF will nominate athletes to World Triathlon for the relevant WTCS race who have NOT nominated themselves and therefore don’t wish to race, in order to secure a place on the start-list for a lower ranked athlete (this is referred to as a ‘spare’ substitution). Please note, this ‘spare-sub’ process will be used (if available) regardless of where athletes are positioned on the waitlist.
but it is time wasting if you enter this athelte know it wont be used and wait till Friday to take the athelte off at which stage there was not female race , there was no waiting list as of Wednesday night and then still kept the athlete on the start list .
you can call that what you want I call it time wasting 2 weeks in a row.
and as have other people outlined to you other feds to it less frequent.
if you dont want to call it time wasting lets call it fair play. and in para tri it can lead to blocking.
My compliments. As I said, both start lists had 50 on. Just as the procedure requires (not 55). By Friday (not “a good few days”: Friday after the Tuesday), when invitations are considered, five are added. Per the procedures which I’ve shared upthread. Then promotions from the waiting list. Which has not (yet) been published (no idea why not).
"in the males the highest ranked athelte is I think 83rd "
I have no idea where you get this.
by looking at the entry list it appears the highest ( should say Lowest) ranked athelte is 83rd in the world ranking
you are welcome to check if there is a lower ranked athelte I did check 4 of them as I was not quite sure but they were all below 80
I shall not check. Hauser is highly ranked. I appreciate other languages may translate this as lowest ranked athlete.
all of them are ranked from 1st to 83rd place ie a super competive field.
there is a small issue
Saturday after the creation of the start lists invitations are awarded as outlined below in
section 7 of this Appendix;
Is 83 Connor Bentley? If so he wasn’t entered by right he was swapped out with Yee.
Perhaps BTF thought he wouldn’t gain straight entry and would be on the wait list? This way he is guaranteed a place and can plan accordingly?
TBH I haven’t kept up to date with entry rules so not sure. I know prior to COVID a ranking of 83 would definitely not secured a start place.
Yes (#83 would not get him on the ‘first 55’) - and yes: he was the immediate sub for Yee.
Makes sure, as you say, he knows he’ll race.
Imagine the time wasting if he had had to wait on the waiting list and hope, and get a fortnight’s notice, or less.
I regret I have lost a grip on @pk ‘plot’: my deficit: it’s that ‘will to live’ thing.
- Before the Tuesday: athletes nominated by feds and entered on waiting list’
- Tuesday: Start list of 50 created (highest ranked 50, WTR not WTCSR)
- That week: Invites considered and added by Saturday; withdrawals and subs made.
- Saturday: Start list filled to 55, from waiting list
- Thereafter: Withdrawals replaced from waiting list
i guess the reason that you have lost the grip on the plot is you disccuss entry procedures which is useful. as i had forgotten its 50 plus 5 and not 55 plus 5,
but this is not really the point here.
the question is does the uk have to mess around more with the system than france or germany.
which so far i would say sheridan and i agree, that this is the case
so far we have following replies.
i am para phrasing sheridan
its ok for the uk fed to be the joe skipper of water bottle placement for race entries , and mess around with the system, as much as they want ,since it is within the rules. ( and to be fair there might be other nations that play like the uk so it might not be entirly fair to just point out the uk )
and some say their should be stricter world triathlon rules what feds can do to enter athletes, so we have less of a merry go round .
after many of your posts iam not sure how do you feel about that . ie do you think the rules are good or not.
I appreciate the rule if we are talking about an injured WTCS performing athlete coming back to the game (or a female who was pregnant and took a hiatus, etc although I can’t remember what the specific pregnant rules are now with freezing your ranking or points or whatever so that example may not need to be used any longer). Like that’s sorta a no brainer, makes sense. If your doing it on the “fast tracking” an athlete, there’s probaly less examples of that or atleast not as much well known. I’m sure there have been other cases, but the likely 2 biggest cases have been LCB and Cam Wurf (world cup level). LCB smashed it out of the park, Wurf got completely smashed at not even at the WTCS level either.
Prior to Rio, I can’t remember if USAT fast tracked Alan Webb. I know he raced some CC’s and maybe even an WC before he was put into WTCS races. He literally was bought as a hired gun by USAT to either make it or not. So I can’t remember if he got subbed in or rolled onto the WTCS race starts on his own ranking merit. But I know when he couldn’t make the swim groups and would be far back in T2, essentially he was told his funding was done.