Are you OK if they happen to be Christian but truly govern in a fiscal conservative way? It doesn’t have to be either/or. As a Christian, at this point I am OK with an atheist who will govern as a fiscal conservative…
Well, what choice do I have? Aren’t 98+% of our elected representatives “Christians?”
I don’t really care what religion they are. What I care about is how that religion affects the decisions they make and how they use their position to push forward their agenda. As I said before, I had no problem with the religiosity of McCain, Romney, Biden, or Obama. I did have a problem with Huckabee, Palin, and Bush.
Anybody here besides me ever really been to Gitmo (not the jailhouse, the Naval activity)? I’d have thought we’d have turned the part of Cuba we continue to sit upon into some sort of camoflage-clad version of *Sandals *or Beaches, by now. Trust me, nothing turns a good Communist into a good Capitalist faster than the thought of Coca-Cola, Late Night With Conan O’Brien, Jim Cramer (over on MSNBC) and a little sexual hedonism.
Now, that’s the way to go about overthrowing Ramon and Fidel!
No but the vast majority who weren’t (the 100,000 you mentioned) were black. Ah whatever, it’s just a joke right? Not sure where the pedofile comment entered the picture, but hey it’s a joke right? Just be patient guys, in four short years the Limbaugh/Palin ticket will be swept into power and everything will be back to normal, you can re-open Gitmo and send the lower 50% there.
I was just throwing out a random insult, since thats what I thought you did.
I agree with you Palin/ Limbaugh would be great. As far as Gitmo; I think the problem is just lack of training. We need to train our guys how to be harder on terrorists. If anything we are way too easy on them.
50% of all Americans, or 50% of working Americans?
27.4% of the population is 0-19. I assume that many of them pay no taxes, either they don’t work or make so little as to be under the normal deduction.
12.6% of the population is over 65 and probably doesn’t pay much either.
So 40% are either young or old and probably aren’t paying much in taxes. So I guess there’s another 10% in there that I should be pissed off about…? Are they working? Or are they stay at home moms? Stay at home dads?
The data from the IRS is based on 2007 data…I meant to imply that with the NEW tax breaks, welfare checks, etc - moving forward…Yeah, it is a big deal. Let your mind wander a bit…think about voters and their goodies…this is a potential voting bloc…call me stupid but I think we should all chip in at least somehting.
*“According to the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center, it is true that *38 percent of “tax units” – which can be singles, couples, or families – are projected to have zero or negative income tax liability in 2009. About 60 percent of these households make $20,000 per year or less.”
“However, being exempt from income tax does not mean you’re exempt from federal taxes. Everyone who works is liable for payroll taxes, contributions to Medicare and Social Security that come out of every paycheck.”
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In other words, anyone who works pays federal taxes – if not income, then social security, medicare, etc.
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In other words, anyone who works pays federal taxes – if not income, then social security, medicare, etc.
Not anymore; after the latest bill is passed not only will this statement be out of date - but we are in fact are going to give checks to people that already thru tax credits, etc don’t pay any net federal income taxes. Your sources have not factored in the spending bill…People like you had the argument of but, but, but they pay payroll taxes…this new bill will take care of that too. Is the tax code progressive enough for you now? Probably not…
You know, I just can’t even comment because I feel defeated, deflated, flacid, helpless, impotent and morally outraged. All this stuff is coming my way from the feds and my state (CA) is dreaming up plans to tax everything in sight to make up a $50 bil shortfall, and there is nothing I can do about it. The biggest freakin insult of all on top of this Mt. Everest of insults is watching people that don’t even pay taxes get a check, when I pay more than the median family income in taxes and I don’t even get one of those paltry checks. At least I should get an autographed card from Joe Biden calling me a patriot.
You act like it has been getting steadily more progressive rather than the other way around.
How come we had such a thriving economy when the the federal income tax was as high as 70-94%?
The only number that matters is actual TAXES paid…at the end of the day the marginal rate doesn’t mean squat…if you can’t go do your research and see that the top pay the taxes; then I don’t know what I can say. Its actual tax dollars paid!!! If you can’t understand why it cannot be good if most of the country doesn’t contribute…
I digress, not to beat up on our education system, but I have said it before and I will say it again; most Americans do not understand how math works.
If you don’t get these points, why don’t you do this for me, tell me what % in of actual taxes each income group should pay? Then, define progressive for me.
Where is it written in the stimulus that low income people will no longer pay social security and medicare tax? I’ve apparently missed that, can you link your source so I can read it? Thanks…
“The only way conservatism doesn’t win is when it isn’t on the ballet.”
Personally, I’m not concerned about how well conservatives dance–only about whether or not they will respect individual freedom. Disentangling the tentacles of government from the economy is very important to our freedom, but there are other important aspects of freedom that are not universally respected by conservatives.
The question is, will this inspire the republicans to prop up some good fiscal conservatives, or will they exploit this opportunity to push forth the uber religious know-nothing faction of the party (ie Palin) under the guise of “fiscal conservatism.”
I think the former will truly be better for the country, but anticipate that latter.
Glad to see I am not alone. It has been lonely for a good long while, but I am preaching to the choir I guess - from one disenfranchised fiscal conservative to another.
OMG! Do the math. Yes, they will pay payroll taxes, but AFTER the credits they pay a NET ZERO or even get paid more than they pay…this really isn’t that hard. Think.
The result of the additional welfare checks going out and other tax changes in the spending bill, now, even with payroll taxes taken into account, over 50% of Americans will pay ZERO federal taxes. You got to love that voting bloc…Brilliant.
If the Feds get less then maybe they’ll finally spend less. The Federal gov’t should choke on every dollar it collects.
“If the Feds get less then maybe they’ll finally spend less. The Federal gov’t should choke on every dollar it collects.”
While I certainly agree with your sentiments about the Feds, the problem here is that much of the incorrectly labeled “tax cut” portion of this bill is in reality* an increase in spending, effectively funding welfare payments to a segment of the population.
Only in our current Newspeak environment would anyone have the audacity to call a welfare payment a “tax cut.”
*I apologize in advance to Matt for using the word “reality.”
If you can’t understand why it cannot be good if most of the country doesn’t contribute…
I digress, not to beat up on our education system, but I have said it before and I will say it again; most Americans do not understand how math works.
I’d wager I understand math far better than you…
If you don’t get these points, why don’t you do this for me, tell me what % in of actual taxes each income group should pay? Then, define progressive for me.
First of all, I’ll call more bullshit. I live at the poverty level and pay federal tax (yes net federal tax)… so I’d like to know how anybody who is working and making an income is avoiding this.
Plus there are all the other taxes I get to pay… state tax, SS, medicare, sales tax, property tax, plus a host of hidden taxes, etc.
Then understand that the purpose of a progressive tax is so that those who are benefiting the most from our socio-economic system pay the most for public services. The reason why the top money makers pay so much in tax is because they are insanely rich.
Like Buffet said, his secretary pays a higher percentage of her income in taxes than he does… and you are worried about the $ value he pays being higher.
Disentangling the tentacles of government from the economy is very important to our freedom
Since every prosperous country in the world has a governernment with tentacles very deep into the economy… from necessity… what you are really wishing for is the freedom to be poor.
