How would these compare to the ASICS nimbus? I started running in them recently (nimbus 25) to help with coming back from a major injury and over a year and half of not running. I’m a fan so far but I’m not running anything fast and just trying to put in consistent slow running without anything flaring up. I can see myself running in these long term for easy runs.
I like the Nimbus 26 better than the 25. In fact a lot of our Hoka Bondi users have switched to the Nimbus. Call it ~ 20%
The Skyward is going to be more plush…I think.
Haven’t tried them on side by side. I’ll do that next week. Currently in ATL doing some aero testing.
If I don’t follow up on this shoot me a message to try them on side by side and report back for you and everyone else.
I agree completely - should have had “peer” in quotes - the point was that the the podcast spoke to this technical item specifically and a shoe protest could very well come from someone other than an official and that such protests, with sufficient phot or video evidence, would be considered and could result in a DQ. Now why that can’t be done with Race Ranger and drafting, who knows - maybe why Race Ranger was turned down in the last minute at Oceanside. Developing technology is code switch for “imagine the barrage of protests we’ll get for the video frame with the blinky red light”.
That said, I think it makes almost no sense for non-runners - medical people, etc - to wear a plated shoe. Unless there’s literally no other way to get the magical plushness.
What medical people, warehouse workers, people on their feet all day long want is comfort so their feet are not hurting at the end of a 6h surgery or a 12h shift walking 17 miles on concrete. They don’t care if it’s plated or not. They want cush, they want softness, they want to feel like their feet are being hugged on a pillow and not on a hard piece of foam.
My wife, a nurse, wears Hokas. No need to “splain” to me what people who work on their feet like. I’m just making the point that the plate probably has nothing to do with the decision process, and I already made the point that if a plated shoe is the only one that works for other reasons, then fine.
That said, I think it makes almost no sense for non-runners - medical people, etc - to wear a plated shoe. Unless there’s literally no other way to get the magical plushness.
What medical people, warehouse workers, people on their feet all day long want is comfort so their feet are not hurting at the end of a 6h surgery or a 12h shift walking 17 miles on concrete. They don’t care if it’s plated or not. They want cush, they want softness, they want to feel like their feet are being hugged on a pillow and not on a hard piece of foam.
They often self select a plated shoe based on these factors. You can bring them the Brooks ghost to try and the Brooks Glycerin 11/10 they select the Glycerin or Nimbus over the ghost. I suspect they will now select the Skyward
We’ve had good luck with people choosing the Brooks Ghost Max over the Bondi, plus the price point is far more reasonable, and comes wide.
Hoka had these to demo at last night’s pub run (here as main shoe sponsor for the Big Sur International Marathon).
The Skyward X had rave reviews from all the runners demoing them. I really like them myself, very plush and light, didn’t feel the height compromised stability. I can’t really compare them to other new cushioned trainers as I mostly run trails in some older shoes. I would definitely start running again on harder surfaces with these.
Listen to the slowtwitch podcast with Jimmy Riccitello - it may not be a race official in the course of the event, it could be a racing peer or a spectator that reports you and prompts an investigation where things like race day photos may be reviewed.
They’re no peer if they report the 52nd in the age group for wearing this or the prime x, they’re just an a-hole. Screams Marathon investigation type shenanigans, remember, dumb shit that has caused people to commit suicide.
So now we’re picking and choosing which rules apply to which competitors?
Either the rules(as written) apply to everyone or they don’t.
If that causes a problem with the 52nd overall competitor in an age group getting DQ’d I would argue that’s probably a strong indication that the rule as its currently written is a bad rule.
…This is an ultra plush shoe. In fact I’d call it the most plush running shoe on the market…
If this shoe is more plush than the Prime X Strung, I’m interested. The PXS is the most plush shoe I’ve ran in, in over 40 years of running, and what’s more, I’m at 800 miles on my first pair, and they aren’t showing any signs of flattening or leaning. That was always my biggest gripe with Hoka Bondis…after about 300 miles, they would crush towards the outside of the midsole, and I felt like a bowlegged cowboy. The PXS isn’t doing that at all.
If this shoe is more plush than the Prime X Strung, I’m interested. The PXS is the most plush shoe I’ve ran in, in over 40 years of running, and what’s more, I’m at 800 miles on my first pair, and they aren’t showing any signs of flattening or leaning. That was always my biggest gripe with Hoka Bondis…after about 300 miles, they would crush towards the outside of the midsole, and I felt like a bowlegged cowboy. The PXS isn’t doing that at all.
IDK if it’s more plush than the Prime X strung as I’ve not put that on. I will say that your observation of the Bondi being worn out after 300 miles is a common refrain we’ve been hearing from customers for the last year. It’s losing them retail sales.
On a side note, I’m in the ATL airport right now and am seeing a lot of Hokas and a few alphaflys on people’s feet.
We’ve been selling them in our store for a couple weeks and I see this as a great training shoe for someone that likes the Bondi. Similar fit (runs Hoka narrowish - no wide width option), cushion, neutral support but an improved lightweight upper for a runner. The front midsole under the toes isn’t as thick as the Bondi which would also benefit the runner over jogger or walker.
I’m my opinion it’s fast forefoot rocker doesn’t allow for any noticeable spring propulsion from the carbon place.
A heavier runner, those with stiff & wide feet that tend to underpronate, want to run off the pavement may want to make sure the lateral midsole isn’t too soft. For a foot that pronates normally or overpronates a bit the medial midsole has some firmness. Hoka did a good job finding a balance with such a thick midsole. We find the Bondi breaks down laterally too quickly for a lot of people.
To add to the topic of a well cushioned race day shoe the Asics Edge/Sky Paris are outstanding. I think it’s the bounciest but most supportive super shoe in it’s class and it’s not forever sold out. I would recommend though for a quick runner.
Listen to the slowtwitch podcast with Jimmy Riccitello - it may not be a race official in the course of the event, it could be a racing peer or a spectator that reports you and prompts an investigation where things like race day photos may be reviewed.
They’re no peer if they report the 52nd in the age group for wearing this or the prime x, they’re just an a-hole. Screams Marathon investigation type shenanigans, remember, dumb shit that has caused people to commit suicide.
So now we’re picking and choosing which rules apply to which competitors?
Either the rules(as written) apply to everyone or they don’t.
If that causes a problem with the 52nd overall competitor in an age group getting DQ’d I would argue that’s probably a strong indication that the rule as its currently written is a bad rule.
Generally a case of it depends. But Golf went away from allowing people to call in rule violations people saw on TV.
If this shoe is more plush than the Prime X Strung, I’m interested. The PXS is the most plush shoe I’ve ran in, in over 40 years of running, and what’s more, I’m at 800 miles on my first pair, and they aren’t showing any signs of flattening or leaning. That was always my biggest gripe with Hoka Bondis…after about 300 miles, they would crush towards the outside of the midsole, and I felt like a bowlegged cowboy. The PXS isn’t doing that at all.
IDK if it’s more plush than the Prime X strung as I’ve not put that on. I will say that your observation of the Bondi being worn out after 300 miles is a common refrain we’ve been hearing from customers for the last year. It’s losing them retail sales.
On a side note, I’m in the ATL airport right now and am seeing a lot of Hokas and a few alphaflys on people’s feet.
I got 350 running miles out the Bondi 6. Haven’t had a fresh pair since, got a 7 at the road runner used sale but I suspect they were used by someone who was significantly heavier than I because they were dead in the 50 miles I put on them. 350 miles for me at the time of being 205-215 pound runner is a lot of miles. These people who talk of 5-600 miles on shoes clearly are lying or weight 120lbs.
Listen to the slowtwitch podcast with Jimmy Riccitello - it may not be a race official in the course of the event, it could be a racing peer or a spectator that reports you and prompts an investigation where things like race day photos may be reviewed.
They’re no peer if they report the 52nd in the age group for wearing this or the prime x, they’re just an a-hole. Screams Marathon investigation type shenanigans, remember, dumb shit that has caused people to commit suicide.
So now we’re picking and choosing which rules apply to which competitors?
Either the rules(as written) apply to everyone or they don’t.
If that causes a problem with the 52nd overall competitor in an age group getting DQ’d I would argue that’s probably a strong indication that the rule as its currently written is a bad rule.
Generally a case of it depends. But Golf went away from allowing people to call in rule violations people saw on TV.
So to use a golf analogy, player is going to finish 36 holes in a tie for 75th, they’re missing the cut and on the 18th hole they hit a drive OB. They don’t bother to hit a provisional, and instead of taking stroke and distance they walk up the fairway and play their next shot from where the ball went out of bounds. They finish the round, sign their scorecard and since they don’t make the cut they weren’t getting paid or impacting anyone else’s results.
Would everyone in golf say “it depends” and we’d apply the rule differently if you were leading the tournament?
I seriously doubt that even if it was an amateur tournament.
Listen to the slowtwitch podcast with Jimmy Riccitello - it may not be a race official in the course of the event, it could be a racing peer or a spectator that reports you and prompts an investigation where things like race day photos may be reviewed.
They’re no peer if they report the 52nd in the age group for wearing this or the prime x, they’re just an a-hole. Screams Marathon investigation type shenanigans, remember, dumb shit that has caused people to commit suicide.
So now we’re picking and choosing which rules apply to which competitors?
Either the rules(as written) apply to everyone or they don’t.
If that causes a problem with the 52nd overall competitor in an age group getting DQ’d I would argue that’s probably a strong indication that the rule as its currently written is a bad rule.
we can talk about this in regards to other similar rules. So 52nd place AG should also be allowed to stuff their chest with fairings?
Chucking a pair of shoes on is not the same thing as stuffing a bottle in your chest for aero. Everyone and their mother does the former. Only people who take this sport very seriously do the latter.
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I got 350 running miles out the Bondi 6. Haven’t had a fresh pair since, got a 7 at the road runner used sale but I suspect they were used by someone who was significantly heavier than I because they were dead in the 50 miles I put on them. 350 miles for me at the time of being 205-215 pound runner is a lot of miles. These people who talk of 5-600 miles on shoes clearly are lying or weight 120lbs.
It’s not your weight but the fact that Hoka use EVA, which has crap longevity. I’m 190lbs and get about 350mi out of most EVA shoes like you do. But every TPE shoe I’ve had lasted easily 500 miles and I only replaced them to try something new. The Prime X mentioned above uses TPE and will easily last 500mi at your weight.
PEBA for racing
TPE for training
EVA for the history books
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I got 350 running miles out the Bondi 6. Haven’t had a fresh pair since, got a 7 at the road runner used sale but I suspect they were used by someone who was significantly heavier than I because they were dead in the 50 miles I put on them. 350 miles for me at the time of being 205-215 pound runner is a lot of miles. These people who talk of 5-600 miles on shoes clearly are lying or weight 120lbs.
It’s not your weight but the fact that Hoka use EVA, which has crap longevity. I’m 190lbs and get about 350mi out of most EVA shoes like you do. But every TPE shoe I’ve had lasted easily 500 miles and I only replaced them to try something new. The Prime X mentioned above uses TPE and will easily last 500mi at your weight.
PEBA for racing
TPE for training
EVA for the history books
Eh, 350 is like the max on any shoe I’ve gotten regardless of brand. But previously it was the rubber wearing out when shoes had a lot of rubber. Hoka is just barely going to a decent amount of coverage, but most shoes rubber is very thin now.
Runner right now is Gel Nimbus 25 and it’s a big time meh for me, should have gone NB More v4. No idea what FF+ Ecoblast is made from.
Eh, 350 is like the max on any shoe I’ve gotten regardless of brand. But previously it was the rubber wearing out when shoes had a lot of rubber. Hoka is just barely going to a decent amount of coverage, but most shoes rubber is very thin now.
The Prime X Strung has a Continental tire rubber outsole… I can’t make a dent in it.
The Prime X Strung has a Continental tire rubber outsole… I can’t make a dent in it.
The Conti rubber that Adidas used to use would outlast the midsole. IDK if it’s the same or a formulation close to it. It was The Best outsole in the industry. Now with everyone taking away rubber from the non impact areas we’re seeing degradation from the outside in due to rocks, rough roads/trails etc.