Guthrie kidnapping and ransom case

I know there’s another thread with a very vague thread title so I thought I’d start another that directly states what it is. No offense to @spockman.

My obvious speculation is some harebrained idea concocted by a couple of morons to try to get money out of the victim’s celebrity daughter. Think Raising Arizona level of stupidity.

Ransom demands, especially in a domestic capacity, pretty much never work. Factor in the digital age and it’s almost impossible. At play is also the age and reported health of the victim. The suspects are possibly looking at first degree murder charges if this goes south.

So fucking senseless.

I saw this on the news. Very scary.

There is a rumor that the son-in-law did it.

My first thought was that some MAGA knuckleheads got pissed at something Savannah said about Trump and wanted to take it out on mom, for their Dear Leader’s honor, then I quickly remembered that she doesn’t do that kind of show

As I recall you’re a money crime kind of agent. Would the existence of cryptocurrency make this type of thing easier to get away with? Maybe it’s still just as easy or even easier to track? It seems like ransomwear types of crimes work somehow and I wonder how cryptocurrencies affect this more rudimentary type of crime.

Just heard an interesting expert about this. Crypto should be pretty well anonymous, but still trackable how the money is set up and transferred. They asked this to be in Bitcoin. This is likely because most people still don’t use Crypto, so they pick the easiest most accessible/common platform. The downside it is the easiest to track.

So. Did they know who they were taking? If so, then they need to keep her alive or make her seem alive to get their money.

If they quickly realized they are in over their head, any chance they able to just dump her at a hospital at 3AM and bolt?

Ummm. She lives in Tucson; you know it is an illegal alien……

No offense taken. It does seem like a stupid act

FBI released these images today.



The eyes look like they belong to a female.

Does Lil Jon have an alibi?


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And the person detained has been released, but not before his front door was broken. Keystone Kash is on it!

Outside a home in Rio Rico, a woman said the man was her son-in-law and that investigators had broken down her door and were searching the house.

In preparation for taking over the FBI, he watched every television show and movie that featured FBI or law enforcement, and saw that they always broke down the door. You can’t blame him, it is Hollywood’s fault.

Um … you might’ve missed this?

You gotta use the logical side of your brain at times. There are times to criticize the government, and your thoughts on that are well documented. This is not one of those times, at least the tactics of it.

They have a search warrant for a residence they believe has something to do with a high profile, armed kidnapping. Do you A) Knock nicely on the door or B) Have a SWAT unit tear the door down and clear the place?

The answer will always be B.

There’s a separate discussion we can have about what intel they had to focus on that house and individual, which by all accounts seems to be incorrect. But that’s an altogether different argument.

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At least one judge (in a separate case) has explicitly said that the government has given up the “presumption of regularity.” After reading the search warrant affidavit for the Fulton County Election seizure, I don’t believe for a second that any search warrant in a high profile case like this was merely “incorrect.” Rather, it probably was forced by people closer to Kash than by the experts in the FBI at more appropriate levels. How often does the FBI execute a search warrant in this manner and be completely wrong?

Remember that raid in Chicago where they (not the FBI) used Blackhawk helicopters, rousted all the residents of an apartment building, ransacked (and in some cases looted) apartments, and ended up with about zero criminal indictments and no evidence whatsoever of TdA presence? Turns out it was likely a BS tip from the landlord who wanted to evict tenants. Events like that color my perception of everything this administration does now, sadly.

The lead agency is the Pima County S.O. From what I’ve read, the warrant wasn’t federal, and was sworn by someone with Pima CSO. I’m not a fan of the current FBI leadership (duh) but your outrage crosshairs aren’t zeroed in properly.

Probably more often than you think and not for reasons that you think. Sometimes the intel is just incomplete or incorrect. Through no fault of the government in many instances. If it meets the level of probable cause it’s certainly actionable.

For example, I was involved in a CSAM search warrant in which we knocked down someone’s door (they weren’t home), trampled mud all over their house (it was raining), took all of their computers, etc. While we were there the owners, who were on vacation, spoke to us through their Ring doorbell. Claimed they have nothing to do with anything, blah, blah, blah. Everyone says that though.

Sure enough… zero evidence of any wrongdoing. Turns out the ISP gave us incorrect information with the warrant/subpoena returns. They gave us the wrong home address for the IP address. They eventually sued the ISP and won monetary damages.