They claim to be able to fully charge any EV in 15 minutes.
That’s pretty fast.
Assuming the technology actually works, put a couple of these into every gas station and voila, infrastructure solved. Everyone will be driving an EV. No more coal rolling. Victory. Winning.
They claim to be able to fully charge any EV in 15 minutes.
That’s absolute BS. That is not a true statement. There are EVs on the road now that simply don’t have the thermal management to charge that quickly. It’s physics. There’s no magic. You can’t just shove more current into a vehicle to get it to charge as fast as you want.
Are there combinations of vehicle and charger that could get the vehicle up to 80% (which is sometimes considered “full” w.r.t. to fast charging because the last 20% can take as long as it takes to get from 20-80%) in 15 minutes, sure.
They claim to be able to fully charge any EV in 15 minutes.
That’s absolute BS. That is not a true statement. There are EVs on the road now that simply don’t have the thermal management to charge that quickly. It’s physics. There’s no magic. You can’t just shove more current into a vehicle to get it to charge as fast as you want.
Are there combinations of vehicle and charger that could get the vehicle up to 80% (which is sometimes considered “full” w.r.t. to fast charging because the last 20% can take as long as it takes to get from 20-80%) in 15 minutes, sure.
The article says that that is their claim.
Take it up with them.
‘The device can charge up to four vehicles at once, and can fully charge any electric car within 15 minutes, ABB said, making it attractive to customers worried about charging times which can run to several hours.’
The article says that that is their claim.
Take it up with them.
‘The device can charge up to four vehicles at once, and can fully charge any electric car within 15 minutes, ABB said, making it attractive to customers worried about charging times which can run to several hours.’
Yeah, I read it. The claim is wrong. It’s not true w.r.t. to most existing vehicles. Sure, some newer vehicles can charge roughly that fast.
Edit: The rate of charge is controlled by the vehicle not the charger. If I plug in a Nissan Leaf or Chevy Volt, the DC fast-charging rate is not going to be higher than ~50kW. A charger can’t change that.
They claim to be able to fully charge any EV in 15 minutes.
That’s absolute BS. That is not a true statement. There are EVs on the road now that simply don’t have the thermal management to charge that quickly. It’s physics. There’s no magic. You can’t just shove more current into a vehicle to get it to charge as fast as you want.
Are there combinations of vehicle and charger that could get the vehicle up to 80% (which is sometimes considered “full” w.r.t. to fast charging because the last 20% can take as long as it takes to get from 20-80%) in 15 minutes, sure.
The article says that that is their claim.
Take it up with them.
‘The device can charge up to four vehicles at once, and can fully charge any electric car within 15 minutes, ABB said, making it attractive to customers worried about charging times which can run to several hours.’
Unfortunately the article is very misleading.
The Terra 360 has a 360 kW capacity, meaning it could fully charge a (theoretical) EV in 15 minutes. The only two approaching it are Porsche’s Taycan, with 270 kW of charging capacity and the new Lucid Air, which allows for up to 300 kW fast-charging. The primary benefit of this new charger is it can fast charge 4 cars at once with a smaller footprint.
I’d be more excited if they were announcing the actual launching of new sites. The auto companies seem to be largely ignoring the charging networks expecting somebody else to build them.
All good, but another thing to note with current EV batteries, even ignoring thermal management issues, ‘fast charging’ stresses EV batteries far more than slower charging. Even when charging to exactly the same level (full, 80%, whatever). And stressing out an EV battery shortens its useful life.
I think the Korean cars supposed support that rate. The Ioniq is said to handle 350 kW, but it and the Kia Ev6 topped (which share a lot of components topped out at 240 kW in recent tests. In theory, they could still be tweaked to get close to the advertised rate.
The auto companies seem to be largely ignoring the charging networks expecting somebody else to build them.
Electrify America is owned by VW, and Ford is partnered with VW on the rollout.
GM and Nissan are partnered with EVGo.
Tesla is starting to open up their network to outside manufacturers.
Yeah, here is what appears to be the same article, just not so heavily edited. And here they admit that there are only about 2 cars that could use their charger.
And as some others said, what it does to the lifespan of the battery should be considered. I don’t want to spend another 15-20k every 5 years for new batteries.
I think the Korean cars supposed support that rate. The Ioniq is said to handle 350 kW, but it and the Kia Ev6 topped (which share a lot of components topped out at 240 kW in recent tests. In theory, they could still be tweaked to get close to the advertised rate.
It doesn’t. The Ioniq can handle 232 kW. The 350kW number is often tossed around because that is the highest capacity charger that is currently deployed in the US but there are, so far, no cars that can charge at that rate. Those chargers are deployed by Electrify America and most are built by ABB. The new ABB charger is only marginally faster, at 360 KW, but can charge 4 cars at that rate. That actually solves a major issue and will be key to EV adaption.
There is a lot coming in the fast charging space. Going to be an interesting 4 years.
The auto companies seem to be largely ignoring the charging networks expecting somebody else to build them.
Electrify America is owned by VW, and Ford is partnered with VW on the rollout.
GM and Nissan are partnered with EVGo.
Tesla is starting to open up their network to outside manufacturers.
VW spent money on Electrify America because of the settlement for dieselgate.
Tesla has a lot more fast chargers than any other company. I just don’t see much effort being put in to catch up. Maybe they expect the government to pay for it or something.
VW spent money on Electrify America because of the settlement for dieselgate.
Sure, but they’re all-in on electric independently of that. Building charger networks all over Europe and the U.S.
Tesla has a lot more fast chargers than any other company.
True. Though Level 2 charging locations are at least as important as fast-charging locations, and the non-Tesla networks are way ahead there. E.g. the chargers at hotels, stores, etc, that you can casually plug in and not subject your car to full fast charging.
just don’t see much effort being put in to catch up. .
Oh there are massive efforts. Every car company has invested. Also the big oil companies are investing. No one is under any illusion that electric isn’t the future.
I would say 50/50 that Tesla gets broken up so they can’t own the auto manufacturing and the charge network at the same time in the next 10 years. Similar to how Boeing was forced to split off United Airlines and United Technologies.
I would say 50/50 that Tesla gets broken up so they can’t own the auto manufacturing and the charge network at the same time in the next 10 years. Similar to how Boeing was forced to split off United Airlines and United Technologies.
Tesla won’t need to be broken up. They won’t be leading EV sales in 5 years.
The number of sales Tesla has is mostly irrelevant unless they go back to being a niche product. But the way they do things today would be similar to GM owning Exxon and only selling gas to GM owners.
Owning the chargers and building out the network was something that Tesla had to do to make their product viable. However when we are at a point when all new cars are EVs, it is not in anyone’s best interest for one company to own both manufacturing and chargers.
c) the “big government” dems won’t want to look like climate-change deniers by going after Tesla.
They already are. Biden’s Big Package being debated now in Congress cuts Tesla out of the next round of EV subsidies by adding a union labor requirement. And Tesla isn’t union.
Anyhow, supposedly Tesla has been willing to voluntarily allow other manufacturers access to their supercharger network, but haven’t had any agreements yet. They’re not going to just give it away at a loss, but who knows what their asking price is.
Tesla doesn’t need agreements with manufacturers. They just need to let non-Tesla owners have accounts so they can buy time. (And the technical bit about having a CCS (or other) standardized adapter so it can physically connect. Which shouldn’t be a big deal because there are easy adapters that work the other way around (e.g. Teslas can easily charge on non-Tesla chargers).
It’s been a huge myth on Tesla forums that Elon wants other manufacturers to use the Tesla network, but the other manufacturers have resisted. Nonsense. It’s entirely up to Tesla. It’s maybe true that Tesla wants to license their proprietary charging interface to other manufacturers. And I can see other manufacturers resisting that bit. As far as I know there’s nothing special about Tesla’s physical and electrical interface relative to CCS, IEEEJ1772.
Edit: Sure enough, Elon himself says that non-Tesla drivers will use CCS in Europe, and Tesla will make an adapter for North America. You sign up with a credit card.
Tesla is finally talking about opening up, with help from the new language in the (proposed) infrastructure bill.
I’d assume non-Tesla owners are going to pay higher rates…I’d be pissed if I was a Tesla owner and that wasn’t true.
They claim to be able to fully charge any EV in 15 minutes.
That’s absolute BS. That is not a true statement. There are EVs on the road now that simply don’t have the thermal management to charge that quickly. It’s physics. There’s no magic. You can’t just shove more current into a vehicle to get it to charge as fast as you want.
Are there combinations of vehicle and charger that could get the vehicle up to 80% (which is sometimes considered “full” w.r.t. to fast charging because the last 20% can take as long as it takes to get from 20-80%) in 15 minutes, sure.
Probably coming from the inventor of the 5cal 4h energy drink and the ride an hour on this and power your home for 24h…sake understanding of physics.